In your opinion, who was the smartest/most brilliant person in history?

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kogase

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Originally posted by: Brackis
A philosopher simply extracts the feelings and ideas that hide themselves in each human life at birth.

And Brackis just makes up New Age hippy "deep" comments to suit the thread.
 

LcarsSystem

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Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
A few come close.

Ayn Rand, Thomas Paine, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, or a few others.

To say Einstein is just a "pop culture" answer.

I find philosophers to be much more intelligent than scientists. Philosophy is a more well rounded sort of intelligence than science.

Edit: For those who said JLGatsy, you are the prophets of our time. :laugh:

I agree with this statement, I'm not going to say I am as smart as he was, or even close, but he only had an IQ of 180 I thought. Not to say IQ of 180 isn't impressive or everything, but doesn't Stephen Hawking have like a 250+ IQ? I guess what I am trying to say is that there are people out there capable of better things than what he has done. Besides wasn't there a 9yr old kid several years back on Letterman who was a freshman at Yale and who supposedly has the highest IQ ever recorded, it was like 300+ his name was Greg something.


While the IQ does have some stake in intelligence, many would argue that there is more to intelligence then just a high IQ.


I know this, but what I was trying to point out is that those people with higher IQ's could possibly be capable of more accomplished feats in the fields of their choice.
 

tnilC

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: tnilC
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
A few come close.

Ayn Rand, Thomas Paine, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, or a few others.

To say Einstein is just a "pop culture" answer.

I find philosophers to be much more intelligent than scientists. Philosophy is a more well rounded sort of intelligence than science.

Edit: For those who said JLGatsy, you are the prophets of our time. :laugh:


Yeah it bugs me when people automatically say Einstein when they dont have even the slightest idea of what he did.

No, the more idiotic answer is to claim some philosopher, who thought up a bunch of self-centered BS which mostly appeals to disenfranchised goths and emos, was more intelligent than a man whose work still stands strong to this day and forms the backbone of modern theoretical physics.


Dude chill out. In no way did I dis people who chose Einstien and KNOW why. I was refering to most of the people in my class who couldnt go beyond "He was smrt becuz of that E=Something thing". They hadnt even heard of Relativity let alone the difference between Special and General.
 

Brackis

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Brackis
A philosopher simply extracts the feelings and ideas that hide themselves in each human life at birth.

And Brackis just makes up New Age hippy "deep" comments to suit the thread.

No, that is the philosopher's job :)
 

LcarsSystem

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Originally posted by: diegoalcatraz
Newton, maybe. The individuals we'd consider for this all were in the right place, at the right time, with the right resources to make themselves known. I'm sure there are others in history who, due to circumstance never had the opportunity to demonstrate their superior intelligence.

Exactly what I was trying to say, thank you.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Brackis
A philosopher simply extracts the feelings and ideas that hide themselves in each human life at birth.

And Brackis just makes up New Age hippy "deep" comments to suit the thread.

No, that is the philosopher's job :)

Uh... a friendly answer to my flame? Now what do I do?
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: tnilC

Dude chill out. In no way did I dis people who chose Einstien and KNOW why. I was refering to most of the people in my class who couldnt go beyond "He was smrt becuz of that E=Something thing". They hadnt even heard of Relativity let alone the difference between Special and General.

You're lucky Einstein isn't standing next to you, because he'd probably beat you up using an advanced Kung Fu/physics fighting technique.
 

Brackis

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Brackis
A philosopher simply extracts the feelings and ideas that hide themselves in each human life at birth.

And Brackis just makes up New Age hippy "deep" comments to suit the thread.

No, that is the philosopher's job :)

Uh... a friendly answer to my flame? Now what do I do?

Accuse me of using new age hippy "deep" deflection tactics.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Brackis
A philosopher simply extracts the feelings and ideas that hide themselves in each human life at birth.

And Brackis just makes up New Age hippy "deep" comments to suit the thread.

No, that is the philosopher's job :)

Uh... a friendly answer to my flame? Now what do I do?

Accuse me of using new age hippy "deep" deflection tactics.


Please stop using new age hippy "deep" deflection tactics.
 

TraumaRN

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I'll go with any number of Greek and Roman inventors, tinkerers, philosophers for essentially laying down a backbone of modern civilization over 2000 years ago. Also cant forget those mathematicians in the middle east, again many of them nameless but providing the world with a wealth of knowledge that we continue to use to this day
 

JLGatsby

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Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
I agree with this statement, I'm not going to say I am as smart as he was, or even close, but he only had an IQ of 180 I thought. Not to say IQ of 180 isn't impressive or everything, but doesn't Stephen Hawking have like a 250+ IQ? I guess what I am trying to say is that there are people out there capable of better things than what he has done. Besides wasn't there a 9yr old kid several years back on Letterman who was a freshman at Yale and who supposedly has the highest IQ ever recorded, it was like 300+ his name was Greg something.

Don't judge intelligence by IQ score.

ANYONE who truly is intelligent knows that an IQ test, or any test currently in existance does not come close to truly accurately measuring the depth and complexity of someone's overall intelligence.

And the 9 year old, your IQ is based on your age, so if get 90 out of 100 and you're 9 years old, you'll get a better score than the 30 year old who got 90 out of 100 questions right.

But IQ is pure nonsense and does not come close to breaking the ice of measuring a person's intelligence.

Most of your intelligence exists in your subconscious and randomly releases itself to the primary (or self)-conscious (normal accessable thoughts and logic) through what we call "random ideas" and other flashes in the mind which seemingly make themselves known to our primary-conscious.

Intelligence is so deep and complex that a silly test of "match the shapes and patterns" nonsense is really insulting to the concept of intelligence.
 

tnilC

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: tnilC

Dude chill out. In no way did I dis people who chose Einstien and KNOW why. I was refering to most of the people in my class who couldnt go beyond "He was smrt becuz of that E=Something thing". They hadnt even heard of Relativity let alone the difference between Special and General.

You're lucky Einstein isn't standing next to you, because he'd probably beat you up using an advanced Kung Fu/physics fighting technique.


ROLLING ON A HARDWOOD FLOOR LAUGHING IN A PARTICULARLY UPROARIOUS FASHION !!!1!1!1!!!1111!one
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I would say Einstein, because what he did was actual *thought* that can be tested and proven. Philosophy is an "anything goes" type of thing, where you can't really prove your philosophy.

Not really. Philosophy has a methodology. Most theories do not stand the test of time.

 

kogase

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I would say Einstein, because what he did was actual *thought* that can be tested and proven. Philosophy is an "anything goes" type of thing, where you can't really prove your philosophy.

Not really. Philosophy has a methodology. Most theories do not stand the test of time.

The methodology of each philosopher is completely different (unless the subjects are Ayn Rand and JLGatsby) though. In the context of the world of philosophers it is "anything goes".
 

JLGatsby

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
No, the more idiotic answer is to claim some philosopher, who thought up a bunch of self-centered BS which mostly appeals to disenfranchised goths and emos, was more intelligent than a man whose work still stands strong to this day and forms the backbone of modern theoretical physics.

Philosophy is the science of the gods. It's the basis for everything. It ultimately directs everything we do (including science).

Ayn Rand, Thomas Paine, and many other "self centered" philosophers helped define the philosophy for which the world's most successful modern civilizations were built on.

Einstein's ideas and theories are useless without a civilization which to demostrate them in.

Philosophy is the science of the human mind, which is the last frontier of science, understanding ourselves, our behavior, and what makes us great.

Successful philosophy raises us onto an entirely different plane, which man has yet to this day to acheive.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Most brilliant person of all time was Carl Friedrich Gauss (hands down).

This probably sounds pretty bad, but it seems like Hitler might have had a point. Germans seem like they are pretty much the best at math and music (throw writing in there too).
 

GagHalfrunt

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Philosophers? ROFLMAO!! The "great" philosophers were nothing more than the Dr. Phil's of their day, peddling fortune-cookie pieces of pseudo-wisdom that don't stand up over time. Read Aquinas or Kant or Plato and then listen to a couple of stoners discussing the ridges on a frisbee and the cosmic significance of their favorite hacky-sack. The similarities are astounding. My God, there was 1000 times more brainpower involved in the invention of Post-It notes than in all the philosophical works ever written.
 

JLGatsby

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Philosophers? ROFLMAO!! The "great" philosophers were nothing more than the Dr. Phil's of their day, peddling fortune-cookie pieces of pseudo-wisdom that don't stand up over time. Read Aquinas or Kant or Plato and then listen to a couple of stoners discussing the ridges on a frisbee and the cosmic significance of their favorite hacky-sack. The similarities are astounding.

If you've read Kant, you know Kant was a stoner of his day.

Thomas Paine or John Locke didn't stand up over time?

If it wasn't for them, you wouldn't have that American flag on your avatar.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Philosophers? ROFLMAO!! The "great" philosophers were nothing more than the Dr. Phil's of their day, peddling fortune-cookie pieces of pseudo-wisdom that don't stand up over time. Read Aquinas or Kant or Plato and then listen to a couple of stoners discussing the ridges on a frisbee and the cosmic significance of their favorite hacky-sack. The similarities are astounding.

What sets certain philosophers apart from the stoners is that many of the prolific and celebrated ones were thinking of and writing about things that no one had thought about before. That makes their philosophy considerably more important in the scope of human society.