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In your Opinion, Should pot be legalized

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I'm torn.

On one hand, we might as well make it easy for the stoners to smoke themselves into oblivion, and leave their jobs open for people who are clear-headed enough to do the work. Let's give them every opportunity to stay home and stoned, instead of giving them reasons to leave the house every day. I'm all for personal freedom.

OTOH, I don't want to support them, once they lose their job - unemployment, food stamps, whatever. I don't want my medical plan paying for their drug rehab when they get busted for DUI, and I don't want to share the roads with them before they get busted. I don't want any firefighters to risk their lives trying to get people out of a house fire started by a dropped doobie, and I don't want to see any police officers getting hurt because they had to physically subdue a doper.
 
sixone said:
I'm torn.

On one hand, we might as well make it easy for the stoners to smoke themselves into oblivion, and leave their jobs open for people who are clear-headed enough to do the work. Let's give them every opportunity to stay home and stoned, instead of giving them reasons to leave the house every day. I'm all for personal freedom.

OTOH, I don't want to support them, once they lose their job - unemployment, food stamps, whatever. I don't want my medical plan paying for their drug rehab when they get busted for DUI, and I don't want to share the roads with them before they get busted. I don't want any firefighters to risk their lives trying to get people out of a house fire started by a dropped doobie, and I don't want to see any police officers getting hurt because they had to physically subdue a doper.
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Wow. You have a wonderfully twisted perspective of reality. I believe you and I have been over this before. Stereotypes and imaginary scenarios are really your only "argument". I'm not wasting my time with you again.

Educate yourself. Anecdotes don't count.
 
sixone said:
I'm torn.

On one hand, we might as well make it easy for the stoners to smoke themselves into oblivion, and leave their jobs open for people who are clear-headed enough to do the work. Let's give them every opportunity to stay home and stoned, instead of giving them reasons to leave the house every day. I'm all for personal freedom.

OTOH, I don't want to support them, once they lose their job - unemployment, food stamps, whatever. I don't want my medical plan paying for their drug rehab when they get busted for DUI, and I don't want to share the roads with them before they get busted. I don't want any firefighters to risk their lives trying to get people out of a house fire started by a dropped doobie, and I don't want to see any police officers getting hurt because they had to physically subdue a doper.
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BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

well done

(laughing because the devil weed has caused me to LOSE MY MIND, obviously...)

< posting from under a bridge, in a cardboard box, rolling doobies with my food stamps.

fucking. priceless.
 
sixone said:
I'm torn.

On one hand, we might as well make it easy for the stoners to smoke themselves into oblivion, and leave their jobs open for people who are clear-headed enough to do the work. Let's give them every opportunity to stay home and stoned, instead of giving them reasons to leave the house every day. I'm all for personal freedom.

OTOH, I don't want to support them, once they lose their job - unemployment, food stamps, whatever. I don't want my medical plan paying for their drug rehab when they get busted for DUI, and I don't want to share the roads with them before they get busted. I don't want any firefighters to risk their lives trying to get people out of a house fire started by a dropped doobie, and I don't want to see any police officers getting hurt because they had to physically subdue a doper.
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Arguments like this are disingenuous, because we all know (including you) that stoners do all that already. Legalizing may see a slight upswing in any of these ideas you mentioned, but I don't see it being a long-term upswing. Yes, there'll be some people who decide to try it out because it's legal now and don't handle it well, but the same can be said for alcohol when a person hits 21. The common thing these "stoners" (I mean real stoners, not people who smoke while still maintaining a career and a life) have is an addictive personality; if it weren't weed that they were hooked on, it'd be something else, whether it be another drug, sex, food, the internet, etc.

Also:

sixone said:
I don't want to see any police officers getting hurt because they had to physically subdue a doper.
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If you're talking about a marijuana user when you say "doper", then there's a simple solution: "Hey man, why don't you just sit down and chill for a bit. Here's a bag of cheetos." Seriously, 100% effective. 😀
 
meltdown75 said:
BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

well done

(laughing because the devil weed has caused me to LOSE MY MIND, obviously...)

< posting from under a bridge, in a cardboard box, rolling doobies with my food stamps.

fucking. priceless.
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Room for two? I'll bring my stamps!
 
sixone said:
I'm torn.

On one hand, we might as well make it easy for the stoners to smoke themselves into oblivion, and leave their jobs open for people who are clear-headed enough to do the work. Let's give them every opportunity to stay home and stoned, instead of giving them reasons to leave the house every day. I'm all for personal freedom.

OTOH, I don't want to support them, once they lose their job - unemployment, food stamps, whatever. I don't want my medical plan paying for their drug rehab when they get busted for DUI, and I don't want to share the roads with them before they get busted. I don't want any firefighters to risk their lives trying to get people out of a house fire started by a dropped doobie, and I don't want to see any police officers getting hurt because they had to physically subdue a doper.
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Every single thing you mentioned in this post can also be caused by alcohol. And yet, alcohol is legal and most people can use it responsibly and enjoy it.
Not everyone who drinks is a jobless, car-wrecking, drunk. And not everyone who smokes is a lazy, house-burning, couch potato. Some certainly are, but it seems like you are making some rather inaccurate generalizations about people who smoke pot - as well as the effects of smoking pot, medical and otherwise.
 
40Hands said:
Room for two? I'll bring my stamps!
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wait.... i forget where i am... i've been wandering for years... the devil weed has turned me into a hobo!!! i lost my job, my house, my life!!1!11 AIEEEEEE TEH NOESSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssss

ooh look something shiny
 
I am all for the legalization as long as companies are still allowed to pick and chose who they hire and retain based upon the results of drug tests (which would still be able to include the legal substance MJ).
 
Kalmah said:
The only thing that has me iffy, are those parents who are going to smoke it around there toddler kids. Or those who see at as less of an issue than alcohol.. I could imagine countless bad events happening when you get some deadbeat parents high as hell trying to take care of a young child.

If there was a simple way to keep it away from a house with children, then I'm all for it. I just can't think of one.. at first I considered smoke shops where you can only smoke there and aren't allowed to have possession of it outside of the shop.. but then you got people who aren't going to hang around at the shop for the next 4 hours so instead they are driving around to get home.
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I have a friend that is much better at taking care of his nieces & nephew when he's baked. He's more patient, more playful, makes the kids feel more appreciated and loved. When he's not baked, he can barely stand being around them, because they aren't very well behaved. That's because his sister (the kids' mom) is a horrible parent whether or not she's smoking pot, and doesn't know the meaning of discipline.

And it IS less of an issue than alcohol. Pot does NOT affect you the same way alcohol does. To believe otherwise is foolish.
 
zeruty said:
I have a friend that is much better at taking care of his nieces & nephew when he's baked. He's more patient, more playful, makes the kids feel more appreciated and loved. When he's not baked, he can barely stand being around them, because they aren't very well behaved. That's because his sister (the kids' mom) is a horrible parent whether or not she's smoking pot, and doesn't know the meaning of discipline.
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Sounds like he doesn't know the meaning either. Parenting: It takes a villiage.
 
om3gawave said:
Yes.

Not to mention, the only reason it was made illegal in the first place was because it originally required a license to sell and distribute, like alcohol, but back in the 20s and 30s, no one signed up for a license to produce it. Then, they made stringent fines and jail sentences for people who did not get the license. That is when it began to become criminal.
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They created a Marihuana Tax Stamp law in 1937, and then wouldn't allow many registrations. They did it in part to fight illegal immigration from Mexico.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937
 
sixone said:
I'm torn.

On one hand, we might as well make it easy for the stoners to smoke themselves into oblivion, and leave their jobs open for people who are clear-headed enough to do the work. Let's give them every opportunity to stay home and stoned, instead of giving them reasons to leave the house every day. I'm all for personal freedom.

OTOH, I don't want to support them, once they lose their job - unemployment, food stamps, whatever. I don't want my medical plan paying for their drug rehab when they get busted for DUI, and I don't want to share the roads with them before they get busted. I don't want any firefighters to risk their lives trying to get people out of a house fire started by a dropped doobie, and I don't want to see any police officers getting hurt because they had to physically subdue a doper.
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You know someone reaching when they pull out the whole "dropped doobie will light a house on fire".

I dont want firefighters risking their lives trying to get people out of a house fire because of a dropped cigarette. I dont want firefighters helping out obese people who set their house on fire while cooking bacon.

/Its a slippery, slippery slope and you are reaching. Pretty hard.
 
Toastedlightly said:
Sounds like he doesn't know the meaning either. Parenting: It takes a villiage.
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The village failed my friend & his sister when she was growing up. The village should have taken both of them out of their tweaker mom's custody. But when the village did try that, they put them in foster care that wasn't any better.

So fuck the village.

Anyways, my friend is the only one that does discipline those children. He is highly functional when high. He is the only person that the kids show any kind of respect to or listen to. Not his sister, and not the kids' dads. (yes, all 3 have different dads). Given that, my niece is extremely well behaved and quite a sweetheart, because of my brother and his wife.

Raising a child in the best circumstances doesn't require a village, it requires a loving & well adjusted mother & father.
 
Toastedlightly said:
I am all for the legalization as long as companies are still allowed to pick and chose who they hire and retain based upon the results of drug tests (which would still be able to include the legal substance MJ).
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A managing director at the company I work for once said "The day I have to manage people not by performance, but by the results of drug tests, is the day I quit"

I bet you there are millions of pot smokers that are better employees than millions of non-pot smokers who are crappy employees.

Look at the software industry.

A friend of mine who works as a programmer has gone into work a few times smelling like pot... they didn't tell him to stop smoking pot, they told him to get rid of the smell.
 
zeruty said:
A managing director at the company I work for once said "The day I have to manage people not by performance, but by the results of drug tests, is the day I quit"

I bet you there are millions of pot smokers that are better employees than millions of non-pot smokers who are crappy employees.

Look at the software industry.

A friend of mine who works as a programmer has gone into work a few times smelling like pot... they didn't tell him to stop smoking pot, they told him to get rid of the smell.
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I didn't say a company had to, but I say they must still have the right to discriminate based upon this.

And my counterpoint: I work in manufacturing. It takes only a moment of not paying attention to lead to a disaster. Do you want your potheads here?
 
Toastedlightly said:
I didn't say a company had to, but I say they must still have the right to discriminate based upon this.

And my counterpoint: I work in manufacturing. It takes only a moment of not paying attention to lead to a disaster. Do you want your potheads here?
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Replace pot with alcohol. Where's your argument now?
 
RoloMather said:
Replace pot with alcohol. Where's your argument now?
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Spotting someone who comes into work drunk is far easier than spotting somebody who comes in high.

Once again, if the company decided not to hire anybody who drank alcohol, then so be it! However, alcohol has become acceptable in a public setting. Will pot eventually? I don't know.
 
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