In Ukraine, the US and Europe have limited options

[Jaskalas]

Then of course there's the issue of "protection from who?!"

The mob in Kiev. This has been answered before. Now the topic is just running circles around itself.

 

[waggy]

I don't think there is a winning way the US can play this. Let Russia run amoke or risk a major war?

personally i think we should talk with russia. 10+ years of war is enough for a very long time.

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't think there is a winning way the US can play this. Let Russia run amoke or risk a major war?

personally i think we should talk with russia. 10+ years of war is enough for a very long time.

Thank you. It's difficult to find a voice of reason on this, apparently, hot topic.

The question then, is how do we move forward with talks? We need a goal in mind. My position this entire time has been to let Crimea take the lead, in what happens in Crimea.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I vote do nothing, this is really a European problem to solve. Sanctions and trade restrictions are fine by me.

 

[bshole]

I have to say that this is the first time since Iraq I've seen someone attempt to cast an armed invasion and occupation of a country as 'freedom'.

Um... just wait around until America invades the next unsuspecting 3rd world nation, it will be sold as a war for freedom. That is how war is sold.

 

[fskimospy]

Um... just wait around until America invades the next unsuspecting 3rd world nation, it will be sold as a war for freedom. That is how war is sold.

And yet when America does it you condemn it but when Russia does it it's fine.

 

[AViking]

Yeah as an American I think what we did in Iraq was 100% bullshit. A preemptive strike with no evidence to support the allegations of WMD or any threat.

Russia pulled this one from the US playbook.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah as an American I think what we did in Iraq was 100% bullshit. A preemptive strike with no evidence to support the allegations of WMD or any threat.

Russia pulled this one from the US playbook.

It is awfully odd to see the roles switched here. It is especially baffling that people think someone like Putin is doing this for 'freedom'.

The same guy who is currently jailing his own people for the unforgivable crime of protesting this invasion is the guy who is totally invading Crimea for the freedom of the Russians there. Riiiiiiiiiiight.

I wish people would apply the critical thinking they use about the US government to foreign governments.

 

[iGas]

LNG WARS: The Ukraine & Syrian Choke Points

It is Russian version of "Operation Iraqi Freedom".

 

[theeedude]

The tartars and the Ukrainians too? 100% of the ethnic Russians?

Without that they don't even have a majority.

60% are Russians, and not 100% of ethnic Ukrainians are against it either, since many are culturally and linguistically Russian.
But we'll find out soon enough since a referendum is coming at the end of March.

 

[Genx87]

Not an invasion if you are invited.

Oh did the Ukrainian govt invite them? I missed that part.

 

[Genx87]

Seems like your issue is with the people of Crimea who don't want to be ruled by Kiev. They WANT Russian troops there to protect them.

My issue is the Kosovo situation and Crimea are not at all similar. So it is a terrible reasoning to invade Ukraine.

 

[Genx87]

The mob in Kiev. This has been answered before. Now the topic is just running circles around itself.

The mob in Kiev is no threat.

 

[lozina]

Why is the US supporting the coup in Ukraine? A band of ragtag thugs overthrow a democratically elected government and the US is supporting them....

Would they be happy with some random militia storming Washington DC and overthrowing them too?

So which is it, are we for democracy or are we for military dictatorship?

 

[fskimospy]

Oh did the Ukrainian govt invite them? I missed that part.

Next time a Republican gets elected president I will invite the rest of the world to occupy DC. Since they were invited, I'm sure nobody will mind.

 

[Genx87]

Next time a Republican gets elected president I will invite the rest of the world to occupy DC. Since they were invited, I'm sure nobody will mind.

😀

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh did the Ukrainian govt invite them? I missed that part.

You missed giving Crimea the right of self determination.

 

[theeedude]

The mob in Kiev is no threat.

The mob in Kiev would appoint Crimean governor and mayors.

 

[Ns1]

is 2014 the year that we no longer become the world's policeman? not like that's a bad thing (imo)

 

[Genx87]

You missed giving Crimea the right of self determination.

Who is giving this? Clearly not the legal govt of Crimea.

 

[Genx87]

The mob in Kiev would appoint Crimean governor and mayors.

And?

 

[moonbogg]

How US officials have the nerve to criticize Russia's actions is beyond me. The US is the king of invade for no good reason and kill on sight. WTF are we doing trying to criticize Russia for protecting its interests in an unstable region? Sickening.

 

[iGas]

60% are Russians, and not 100% of ethnic Ukrainians are against it either, since many are culturally and linguistically Russian.
But we'll find out soon enough since a referendum is coming at the end of March.

I think the outcome is quite obvious, but the West is not excepting the inevitable without complaining.

 

[fskimospy]

How US officials have the nerve to criticize Russia's actions is beyond me. The US is the king of invade for no good reason and kill on sight. WTF are we doing trying to criticize Russia for protecting its interests in an unstable region? Sickening.

Yes, that someone would have the temerity to criticize a country for invading their neighbors is the truly sickening thing here.

Are you guys kidding?

 

[boomerang]

is 2014 the year that we no longer become the world's policeman? not like that's a bad thing (imo)

I agree that it may not be a bad thing as I have often thought it was time to bring it to a close, but I do wonder what will be the indicator that it was a good plan...or not.