In the STL area? cregslist an so called erotic services

[JackRipper]

Noticed this on the news...

I dunno why they even have that section on teh list....

They look hilarious when they're leaving the station.

2 Part Segment

 

[eleison]

Yea, more police time spent AWAY from investigating murders, assaults, robberies, etc.... next thing on the to do list, setup a sting to catch marijuana users..

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Oh noes, someone getting a decently priced piece of ass. Can't have that.

The bars would riot since people wouldn't be buying drinks to get a gal in the mood.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: eleison
Yea, more police time spent AWAY from investigating murders, assaults, robberies, etc.... next thing on the to do list, setup a sting to catch marijuana users..

Exactly

 

[ForumMaster]

why's it illegal? shouldn't the police spend their time protecting people and preventing accidents?

 

[Queasy]

Funny but no where near as humorous as the two women running an escort service out of a very upscale neighborhood in the North Atlanta 'burbs.

 

[Vette73]

Would this not be entrapment, depending on what is said in the ?ad?.? I thought they were going after the prostitutes.

But as someone has already said is this really the WORSE crime going on right now in St Louis?

 

[MX2]

Lame:thumbsdown: If someone wants to pay and someone wants to get paid for sex, thats their business as long as both participants are of legal age.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Would this not be entrapment, depending on what is said in the ?ad?.? I thought they were going after the prostitutes.

But as someone has already said is this really the WORSE crime going on right now in St Louis?

^^ Quoted for Truth. The cops have better things to do.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Would this not be entrapment, depending on what is said in the ?ad?.? I thought they were going after the prostitutes.

But as someone has already said is this really the WORSE crime going on right now in St Louis?

entrapment is when the police compel you to do something you wouldn't otherwise do. they were going to solicit regardless of whether the police were the prostitutes or not.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
why's it illegal?

Because politicians wrote laws prohibiting prostitution.

 

[JackRipper]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Would this not be entrapment, depending on what is said in the ?ad?.? I thought they were going after the prostitutes.

But as someone has already said is this really the WORSE crime going on right now in St Louis?

Considering STL is considered top 10 if not #1 top dangerous city in the US lolz...

Prostitution shouldn't be illegal, but cheating on spouse and possibly (unknowingly) spreading STD's should be a crime. Solution: treat prostitution like the Netherlands...

Sometimes I look back at some of the girls i've dated... the money i blew... and the fine line that separates the two.....


-JR

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Would this not be entrapment, depending on what is said in the ?ad?.? I thought they were going after the prostitutes.

But as someone has already said is this really the WORSE crime going on right now in St Louis?

entrapment is when the police compel you to do something you wouldn't otherwise do. they were going to solicit regardless of whether the police were the prostitutes or not.

Can you prove that? The cops put a ad up that says I will give sex for money. Person said they were looking to see what is up with this stuiff but the AD caught them and made them want to write. The follow up messages talked them into it.

You can;t prove what they were thinking or would have done. Hell I have looked at those ads to see how lame and funny some are.

I know when cops do stings on the street the "john" has to start the contact and ask for sex for money. The cop can not say they are offering sex for money or what they do, the john has to start that. So depedning on how the ad was written and what the cops said in follow up e-mails will be very important in court.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: JackRipper

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Would this not be entrapment, depending on what is said in the ?ad?.? I thought they were going after the prostitutes.

But as someone has already said is this really the WORSE crime going on right now in St Louis?

Considering STL is considered top 10 if not #1 top dangerous city in the US lolz...

Wow.. I didnt' know that...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-30-city-crime_x.htm

I guess the cops are too lazy or are too afraid to go after the real criminals...

 

[yowolabi]

What is the public interest in stopping two adults from meeting up and coming to a mutually beneficial arrangement. I can understand wanting to keep prostitutes off the streets, but why set up stings on craigslist? I would never consider sleeping with a prostitue, but it still pisses me off that they waste time going after these people. They'll probably end up on the sexual offenders lists and get humiliated to boot.

 

[Amused]

I love how all the "problems" the police chief lists as associated with prostitution in part 2 exist SOLELY because it is illegal.

 

[Linux23]

This is a great way to spend tax payer dollars.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: JackRipper

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Would this not be entrapment, depending on what is said in the ?ad?.? I thought they were going after the prostitutes.

But as someone has already said is this really the WORSE crime going on right now in St Louis?

Considering STL is considered top 10 if not #1 top dangerous city in the US lolz...

Wow.. I didnt' know that...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-30-city-crime_x.htm

I guess the cops are too lazy or are too afraid to go after the real criminals...

The report that article is citing only uses statistics for the city limits of Saint Louis City, which accounts for roughly 25% of the metro area's residents. I, for instance, say I live in Saint Louis - but I actually live in a burb in the metro area - Webster Groves, a city unto itself.

From the article:

The study looks at crime only within St. Louis city limits, with a population of about 330,000, Morgan said. It doesn't take into account the suburbs in St. Louis County, which has roughly 980,000 residents.

These stings were carried out in another one of the burb-cities, Maryland Heights. All that said, I too think they should have bigger fish to fry than running a prosittute sting.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Would this not be entrapment, depending on what is said in the ?ad?.? I thought they were going after the prostitutes.

But as someone has already said is this really the WORSE crime going on right now in St Louis?

entrapment is when the police compel you to do something you wouldn't otherwise do. they were going to solicit regardless of whether the police were the prostitutes or not.

Can you prove that? The cops put a ad up that says I will give sex for money. Person said they were looking to see what is up with this stuiff but the AD caught them and made them want to write. The follow up messages talked them into it.

You can;t prove what they were thinking or would have done. Hell I have looked at those ads to see how lame and funny some are.

I know when cops do stings on the street the "john" has to start the contact and ask for sex for money. The cop can not say they are offering sex for money or what they do, the john has to start that. So depedning on how the ad was written and what the cops said in follow up e-mails will be very important in court.

It's not like they're advertising on billboards, you have to seek out the ad.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: eleison
Wow.. I didnt' know that...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-30-city-crime_x.htm

I guess the cops are too lazy or are too afraid to go after the real criminals...

It's not true. In that same study, the St. Louis metro area isn't even in the top 25 metro areas in crime per capita. St. Louis is far up the list on the "city limits" report because the actual city limits of St. Louis only include the most urban parts. Many other cities would pass STL if they included only the most urban area within its city limits. Instead, you have cities like Los Angeles whose city limits stretch as far out as all of St. Louis county.

The bottom line is, if they didn't prosecute these people and made it legal, all of the negatives the policeman mentions (he gives them as the reasons they do these stings in Part II) would go away. Proof: Cathouse the Series. The Bunny Ranch is a brothel, and it is crime-free and safe for the girls.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
What is the public interest in stopping two adults from meeting up and coming to a mutually beneficial arrangement. I can understand wanting to keep prostitutes off the streets, but why set up stings on craigslist? I would never consider sleeping with a prostitue, but it still pisses me off that they waste time going after these people. They'll probably end up on the sexual offenders lists and get humiliated to boot.

I will play the devils advocate here (not the ATOT user by the same name), but I think part of the reason is the crimes associated with prostitution plus if the police did nothing the situation would get out of hand real quick. So they have to make thier presence known everyone once in a while.

Kinda like my daily commute. Sure I can hang out in the HOV lane 99% of the time if I wanted, but everyonce in a while the police will crack down on motorists to remind everyone that it is not a good idea.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: rudder

I will play the devils advocate here (not the ATOT user by the same name), but I think part of the reason is the crimes associated with prostitution plus if the police did nothing the situation would get out of hand real quick. So they have to make thier presence known everyone once in a while.

Kinda like my daily commute. Sure I can hang out in the HOV lane 99% of the time if I wanted, but everyonce in a while the police will crack down on motorists to remind everyone that it is not a good idea.

Okay, I'll bite


"crimes associated with prostitution" -- did the people that the cops bustered committed any other cime OTHER THAN prostitution? Doesn't that seem indicative that the only crime associated with prostitution is prostition itself especially in a semi-open environment that allows "erotic services" to somewhat prosper, i.e., craigslist

If this is so, aren't the cops just wasting valuable time by not going after the murders, robbers, etc.

In addition, has there been links associated with prostitution in an open environment and crime? Look at amsterdam and other places where prostitution is more "open". But alas, in these places, there has been no increase in crime... no link...

It has been pointed out by many experts that its not the prostitution that causes the crimes... its the criminalization of prostitution that causes crime. Its when women are forced to go underground by a zealous police forces.. forcing women underground only forces these women to take unnecessary risks - working in deserted ally ways, using pimps to "protect" them for the first time, associating with unsavory characters, etc.. Unnecessary risk that may get them robbed, assault, or murdered.

Criminalizing the actual act of "erotic services".. even if its "every now and then" while it may seem like a good idea, it only hurts the people involved..

I read somewhere that over 40% of italian men during the 70's have lost their virginity to prostitutes. I don't remember where, but I'm sure its not hard to google. Prostitution when it has NOT been prosecuted have NOT been associated with any crimes.. the ancient greeks had women who made themselves available to men.. even during the Renaissance... and even now... no where in history has their ever been a time when a woman who agreed to stay with a man for a price has ever caused or associated with rampant crime... it has always been the criminalization of the woman and the man that has...


The police force in the STL area need to go after the real criminals -- the murders, robbers, etc.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Can you prove that? The cops put a ad up that says I will give sex for money. Person said they were looking to see what is up with this stuiff but the AD caught them and made them want to write. The follow up messages talked them into it.

You can;t prove what they were thinking or would have done. Hell I have looked at those ads to see how lame and funny some are.

I know when cops do stings on the street the "john" has to start the contact and ask for sex for money. The cop can not say they are offering sex for money or what they do, the john has to start that. So depedning on how the ad was written and what the cops said in follow up e-mails will be very important in court.

the usual test is whether the john is predisposed. the reason the street bust the john has to start the conversation is for ease of showing predisposition, i.e. if the john wasn't predisposed he wouldn't have gone up to the vice sting operation asking for sex for money. i'd have to say it'd be hard to argue that the john isn't predisposed if going to CL and calling numbers offering sex for money.

the less common test is whether the police conduct would have induced a reasonable law abiding citizen to break the law. no way a court is going to find that an ad on CL advertising sex for money is going to induce a reasonable law abiding citizen to break the law.

standard criminal procedure stuff.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: eleison
Yea, more police time spent AWAY from investigating murders, assaults, robberies, etc.... next thing on the to do list, setup a sting to catch marijuana users.

Exactly. Fvcking pigs.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: rudder

I will play the devils advocate here (not the ATOT user by the same name), but I think part of the reason is the crimes associated with prostitution plus if the police did nothing the situation would get out of hand real quick. So they have to make thier presence known everyone once in a while.

Kinda like my daily commute. Sure I can hang out in the HOV lane 99% of the time if I wanted, but everyonce in a while the police will crack down on motorists to remind everyone that it is not a good idea.

Okay, I'll bite


"crimes associated with prostitution" -- did the people that the cops bustered committed any other cime OTHER THAN prostitution? Doesn't that seem indicative that the only crime associated with prostitution is prostition itself especially in a semi-open environment that allows "erotic services" to somewhat prosper, i.e., craigslist

If this is so, aren't the cops just wasting valuable time by not going after the murders, robbers, etc.

In addition, has there been links associated with prostitution in an open environment and crime? Look at amsterdam and other places where prostitution is more "open". But alas, in these places, there has been no increase in crime... no link...

It has been pointed out by many experts that its not the prostitution that causes the crimes... its the criminalization of prostitution that causes crime. Its when women are forced to go underground by a zealous police forces.. forcing women underground only forces these women to take unnecessary risks - working in deserted ally ways, using pimps to "protect" them for the first time, associating with unsavory characters, etc.. Unnecessary risk that may get them robbed, assault, or murdered.

Criminalizing the actual act of "erotic services".. even if its "every now and then" while it may seem like a good idea, it only hurts the people involved..

I read somewhere that over 40% of italian men during the 70's have lost their virginity to prostitutes. I don't remember where, but I'm sure its not hard to google. Prostitution when it has NOT been prosecuted have NOT been associated with any crimes.. the ancient greeks had women who made themselves available to men.. even during the Renaissance... and even now... no where in history has their ever been a time when a woman who agreed to stay with a man for a price has ever caused or associated with rampant crime... it has always been the criminalization of the woman and the man that has...


The police force in the STL area need to go after the real criminals -- the murders, robbers, etc.

I agree that someone getting paid for sex is not really a crime. But it is illegal in STL and not regulated. Don't you agree it could get out of hand quickly if the police turned a blind eye to the whole deal? I am sure they only occasionally do these stings to let everyone know it is illegal and to keep it in check.