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In the market for 14" laptop, question

jae

Golden Member
Are there any 14" comparable to the Dell Precision m4600? I love everything about the laptop besides the 15.6" screen and perhaps weight. More than likely I will buy one of these in a few months, but want to see if I'm overlooking a model. I don't need the latest or fastest. Here is what I like about this model:

i7 or i5 processor
Great viewing angles (thinkpad was terrible)
1080p resolution (80% of time will be watching videos with 1-2 VMs open)
Easy to upgrade
Durable/Made to last
mSATA
HDMI
USB3

Think m4600 is a good buy given its age? It'll be running Fedora or Mageia.
 
No CAD or gaming. Integrated GFX is enough.

How is the build quality of the Y410p? That's one reason I look at Business line notebook.
 
Do you require a quad core CPU? Or are you fine with a dual core ULV?

The y410p uses a TN display. If you want viewing angles you need an IPS display which is what the Dell you mention has (well some models, I assume those are the ones you are referring to).
 
Never really used ULV cpu and never looked into them. Are they much slower than regular CPUs?

I just don't want the viewing angles I had on the thinkpad edge. They were terrible, I had to have the screen positioned just right to have an acceptable view. The TN panels on the m4600 look 20x better.
 
No CAD or gaming. Integrated GFX is enough.

How is the build quality of the Y410p? That's one reason I look at Business line notebook.

The 410p is better built than a low-level consumer notebook, but it's not a Thinkpad. Also, if you're not gaming, vidoe processing, or doing CAD, dedicated graphics is probably more of a handicap (battery life, weight, cost) than a benefit.

For normal productivity tasks, the 15W Haswells are more than enough. In synthetic benchmarks, they are about half the speed of 35W processors, but in real world use you won't notice a difference if you're running office software or watching videos. You might notice a slight difference in photoshop, but not enough to be a deal-breaker. The biggest performance difference is in making sure you have an SSD.

If display is a priority, make sure you get an IPS panel. Even the best TN panels don't have great viewing angles. Your best bet (provided the ULV processor is enough) may be to look at consumer ultrabooks, although upgradeability is lacking. I'm fond of my Yoga 2 Pro, but ASUS, Dell, and Sony also have some very nice, well-built machines. Another option is the 13" rMBP, which is a nice step in between an ultrabook and a desktop replacement.
 
Never really used ULV cpu and never looked into them. Are they much slower than regular CPUs?

I just don't want the viewing angles I had on the thinkpad edge. They were terrible, I had to have the screen positioned just right to have an acceptable view. The TN panels on the m4600 look 20x better.

It depends on what you are doing and what your expectations are. If your current computing is the machines in your sig though than the ULVs will still be an upgrade.

The main difference is 4c/8t(4cores/8threads) availability vs. 2c/4t only for the ULVs. So there will be a huge gap in workloads which can take advantage of those extra cores (eg. encoding and rendering). The full mobiles also are generally clocked higher and also cocked higher for the GPU. The trade off is the ULVs use much less power so you do get the benefit of more battery life and/or size weight savings on the battery as well as cooling (overall better size/weight on the laptop).

The other benefit here, like mentioned above, is it opens up a lot more choices with IPS displays, especially if you want less size/weight as well.

Are you sure the m4600 was a TN panel though? It does come in a IPS variant. The 1080p models are IPS I believe.

If you are otherwise happy with the Thinkpad brand there is the 14 inch Thinkpad T series now with 1080p (or higher) IPS displays. There are two variants, one with a full mobile CPU and a thin/light ULV model, both with 1080p 14 inch IPS displays. MiniDP to HDMI is a simple adapter that costs a few dollars. I'm not sure about mSATA though, you'd likely need to confirm with Lenovo. Although I believe the T440S is M.2, which is a small drive factor similar to mSATA but not compatible, so that isn't useful if you have an existing mSATA SSD.

This latter requirement also adds a bit more restrictions. The y410p and Macs are not mSATA either.

What do you want to upgrade by the way? Ultrabooks are somewhat more limited in that area as ram might be soldered onto the board with no actual slots.
 
I have the Y410p and I love the design of it. Build quality is a lot shoddy. Especially since if sometimes creak if you pick it up.


However, I find it to be better than my last HP computer.
 
The Clevo w230st and twin Sager NP7330 come with a 13.3" IPS 1080p screen but has a heftier price tag due to the Nvidia 765m discrete graphics. Otherwise it fits all of your requirements.
 
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