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In the Beginning: How Modern Physics Reveal God

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Pray To Jesus said:
Modern physics necessitate that there is a beginning of any universe in which time is part of.
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I know nothing in modern physics that says that. We currently postulate that our universe was at one time a singularity, but that singularity might have always existed with time all bound up inside it.


We can then show that something cannot come from nothing through metaphysics.
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That is quite a jump. I'm not sure that metaphysics can show anything. Metaphysics is philosophy, it asks question but can not answer them. In fact, physics has instances in it where we can demonstrate something coming from nothing. Read up on virtual particles. Of course you can (and I think you are) arguing that time is something, and that is what produced those particles.

Nothing cannot have something by definition, therefore nothing produces nothing.
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Wait, are you now trying to say that nothing is something? That is pretty obviously nonsensical. I think you mean to say 'nothing can not produce' This sentence has it's own problems though.

Therefore, we know that since time has a beginning and cannot be infinitely extended into the past, something that exists outside of time created time. From Einstein and General Relativity, we know that space and time are part of a matrix. Therefore, the beginning of space through the big bang is also the beginning of time.

Came from presupposes time exists already. My posts show that time is a concept of our physical universe. Time and space is already shown by Einstein to be interconnected in a matrix through General Relativity.
So your question is nonsensical to modern physics.
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Here is the crux of your mistake. You accept that 'came from' requires time because in your argument 'Came from' requires that there be a 'not' state, and without time there can not be a period in which the state was 'not'. Yet you keep referring to a time when the universe (and time) did not exist, and keep refering to where the universe (and time) came from. You are contradicting your own argument. By your argument time must have always existed.


Given that we have shown that our universe is expanding, and the expansion is speeding up, we know that time for our universe cannot extend infinitely into the past, but must have a beginning. This is consistent with the General Big Bang Model.
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It is consistent with it, but not required by it. A yo-yo universe is also consistent with the Big Bang Model, as is a model where the universe has always existed but suddenly started to expand at what we are calling the Big Bang. The Big Bang tells us nothing about how the universe began, only that at one time it was infinity small and started to rapidly expand.
 
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OP, the next time you are tempted to post in a large font, take it as a sign to stop before you spew more silliness!

If you are passing this drivel off as another "sudden understanding" ...

Pray To Jesus said:
For others who think I'm trying to convince them of anything, I'm not. I'm just sharing what the Holy Spirit revealed to me about God's existence and how it's possible for him to be the Alpha and the Omega, without a beginning nor an end.

Those who have the Holy Spirit will know, those who doesn't won't.

The Holy Spirit taught me not by word, but by a sudden understanding, knowledge, and feeling of what it like to be in this mode of existence. This happened immediately right when I started considering this confusing aspect.
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... then please wait for your holy spirit to inspire your writing. Your gospel of postings is just jibberish thus far. Or maybe you're just writing "in tongues"?

😀
 
Tell your whatever god to perform a miracles over and over like making the moon explode to every single living thing on the planet to prove beyond any doubt he is actually one. Otherwise, stop wasting your breath and our time.
 
Markbnj said:
So what? Time had a beginning. What happened before the beginning of time?
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I'm not sure what definition that you're using for "time", but at least from what I gather, time has no beginning because it's an abstract concept. Time is something we define based on an observable change in matter. If by time you mean the origins of the physical universe, then... well... ignore the above philosophical blabbering. 😛
 
Aikouka said:
I'm not sure what definition that you're using for "time", but at least from what I gather, time has no beginning because it's an abstract concept. Time is something we define based on an observable change in matter. If by time you mean the origins of the physical universe, then... well... ignore the above philosophical blabbering. 😛
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It was simply a device to point out that OP was making a huge inductive leap from a supposed fact to the existence of a deity. I don't know squat about time beyond not having any.
 
Xecuter said:
Thanks for responding to this post, but not the one where I accused you of suffering from a "confirmation bias."

Do you think there's a wee bit of confirmation bias in your jump to conclusions that God created the universe?
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There you see, a lot better. Thank you.

I do think that any opinion not from God can suffer from bias. Being human, I suffer from bias as well.

However, since we're just talking about possibilities, I just wanted to show that there is more to the universe than meets the eye.

Transformers!

Joking aside, people keeping an open mind and consider the things I proposes on its own merits is all I want.
 
These threads never go well for the OP. Pray To Jesus, you should know that by now. You and Anarchist420 are definitely on a weird little spree this last few days.
 
zinfamous said:
I tell you now that I am not pleased. zinfamous is not pleased with your behaviour, Pray to Jesus.

I urge you to stop these salacious entreaties to a false deity that, to be quite fair, has not brought curry and peace to this world.
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This thread is nothing compared to his epic self-aggrandizing thread in L&R.
 
thread summary:

OP: God exists because I said so. I am right and you are wrong. *sticks fingers in ears
ATOT: nothing to see here folks. ignorant religious troll. move on.
 
proof of God's non-existence:

The Book: The Babel fish is small, yellow, leechlike, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centers of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the NON-existence of God.
The argument goes like this:
`I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.
`Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book, "Well, That about Wraps It Up for God."
Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.
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Iron Woode said:
proof of God's non-existence:
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God's final message to his creation, "We apologize for the inconvenience."

But seriously, I find this thread funny. Anytime someone who clearly doesn't understand science particularly well tries to use it to justify a position and gets the science vastly wrong, I find it hilarious.
 
thraashman said:
God's final message to his creation, "We apologize for the inconvenience."

But seriously, I find this thread funny. Anytime someone who clearly doesn't understand science particularly well tries to use it to justify a position and gets the science vastly wrong, I find it hilarious.
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I still think PTJ is not religious.
 
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