In the Beginning: How Modern Physics Reveal God

[Pray To Jesus]

Any claim that you can make by which a god lies outside the established rules of the universe can also be made about a form of the universe beyond our conventional comprehension.

If God can come out of nothing, then the universe can come out of nothing as well.

But it can't, for BVG theorem says it can't. There must be a beginning of it all. BVG doesn't use physical laws in its calculation and therefore is general to many different universe. We are working with modern physics and its models of how the universe came to be. BVG covers those models. So you are arguing with me while ignoring modern physic models.

Notice how we must use time to describe things, for we are bound by time and find it hard to relate to the nonexistence of time.

Also this is just one part of the argument, the establishment of something before time, that must exists outside of time in order to create the Universe as we see it.

 

[diesbudt]

GJ on ignoring the current evidence as shown in order to keep your beliefs intact. Shows how "scientific" you really is.

Evidence is not proof.

I have evidence that you are not smart.

However, I cannot confirm that you are unintelligent, or just mis informed.

Aka, not proven true.

 

[Fritzo]

I actually created a new meme just for the OP:

 

[Miramonti]

As I pointed out, this argument is over a thousand years old and been won by theists already.

Modern physics is now confirming that the Universe indeed has a beginning, in which time was created. Therefore, something outside of time must have been present before time was created, for something must come out of something.

Something cannot come out of nothing, for nothing is nothing and nothing come out of nothing.

What that something is, which existed outside of time and created the Universe, is God.

I just want show smart people, who might have been misinformed by their teachers, that although initially the natural sciences might lead one to reject God, once you get to a deeper level it actually points towards God.

That argument is called going deep and then stopping at the 10 yard line because you get the best camera angle.

If God creates something 15 billion years ago, and only 15 billion years later people appear, one could just as easily conclude we are an unintended byproduct of the very elements 'He' created 15 billion years ago. I know God is supposed to be a very patient God, but this level of patience could be considered highly unusual.

Perhaps you're worshing the God that created the universe, but that same god could have seen us appear on this planet and said, 'oh sh!t, wtf are those things? they're ruining what i tried to perfect over the last 15 billion years!'

 

[Pray To Jesus]

PLEASE tell me more on why you think you have a good grasp on science.

Argumentum ad hominem.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Argumentum ad hominem.

I don't speak your crazy moon talk.

 

[zinfamous]

Does your faith work in Canada? I'm hungry.

KT

zinfamous reports that the spirit of Vishnu has blessed the realm of Vancouver, in this era, with several delicious options with which to achieve the only true enlightenment.

http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/14/452292/restaurant/Marpole/Mirchi-Vancouver
http://www.vijsrestaurant.ca/index_in.htm

 

[torpid]

I refuse to read any OP that is so clearly copied and pasted and even if not inappropriately uses fonts.

 

[diesbudt]

If you are the enlightened then god's a moron. Although that might actually make some sense. Maybe god was D student in God school and that's why he made us so poorly.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I have seen the beginning, as I and I only was there.

And the beginning was delicious.

How does it compare to a good pizza?

 

[SunnyD]

Hey, Tebow... shouldn't you be sticking to football?

 

[KeithTalent]

zinfamous reports that the spirit of Vishnu has blessed the realm of Vancouver, in this era, with several delicious options with which to achieve the only true enlightenment.

http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/14/452292/restaurant/Marpole/Mirchi-Vancouver
http://www.vijsrestaurant.ca/index_in.htm

Hallelujah!

KT

 

[Xecuter]

Argumentum ad hominem.

Thanks for responding to this post, but not the one where I accused you of suffering from a "confirmation bias."

Do you think there's a wee bit of confirmation bias in your jump to conclusions that God created the universe?

 

[Miramonti]

Hey, Tebow... shouldn't you be sticking to football?

I respect Tebow. This is not Tebow by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[zinfamous]

How does it compare to a good pizza?

zinfamous offers no recommendations for such curious fusions, but if applied as a gateway to true enlightenment, zinfamous is not one to judge

http://www.pizzaandcurry.com/

Hallelujah!

KT

Shalom

()🙂

 

[Paratus]

OPs argument is essentially when looking for Santa goto the North Pole and then go North again.

 

[zinfamous]

zinfamous promises to update unaddressed issues in version 1.5:


--common passage for air and consumption may lead to premature, unexpected crash.
--common passage for waste extraction and species procreation provides gateway to viral exploit, possible unexpected crash.

In curry we trust.

 

[DrPizza]

I read the OP. I haven't read the replies. Has anyone pointed out yet that the OP is patently incorrect?

Nice try, OP.

 

[soulcougher73]

Your god is gay.

 

[Meghan54]

Since I know you've read my question, OP, why are you ignoring it?

Why does God condone slavery? Why did God never condemn slavery of humans?

Simple question should have a simple answer.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Also this is just one part of the argument, the establishment of something before time, that must exists outside of time in order to create the Universe as we see it.

The universe as we know it isn't necessarily all that there is of existence. It is possible that there are other universes, or that previous universes existed before this one.

The bottom line is painfully simple: if "nothing can come from nothing" then gods also cannot come from nothing. And if gods can come from nothing, then the universe can as well.

 

[soulcougher73]

The universe as we know it isn't necessarily all that there is of existence. It is possible that there are other universes, or that previous universes existed before this one.

The bottom line is painfully simple: if "nothing can come from nothing" then gods also cannot come from nothing. And if gods can come from nothing, then the universe can as well.

Pfft...logic

 

[SsupernovaE]

As a physicist I can safely say that you don't have any idea what you are talking about. "Modern physics" in no way, shape, or form supports your "proof". Furthermore, metaphysics cannot be used to provide evidence of anything.

Methinks you read a few Wikipedia articles and had a "revelation".

 

[IronWing]

While I have no expectation that a proselytising theist would know anything about science it would be at least interesting if such a one could make it through one of these threads without reducing his own belief system to a mudhole of embarrassing contradictions lazily stirred with a stick of intellectual dishonesty.

 

[BurnItDwn]

zinfamous offers no recommendations for such curious fusions, but if applied as a gateway to true enlightenment, zinfamous is not one to judge

http://www.pizzaandcurry.com/

Oooh,
Back in the late 90s up to 2001, I worked in a pharmacy as a pharmacy tech. We had an Indian pharmacist who was super awesome and liked to spoil us lowly techs.

He would bring in pizza his wife made, essentially, cheese and veggie pizza with some cilantro and some tumeric and I don't know what other spices. Man, that pizza was fvcking awesome. Shailesh was awesome. He moved down south to Tennessee a few years ago. Cost of living much lower, and warmer weather in the winters, he likes it there quite a bit.