https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...-maker-bose-is-secretly-collecting-user-data/
Yet another device that is spying on people.
Yet another device that is spying on people.
In soviet Russia, headphones listen to you!
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At this point, I'm basically assuming that any device capable of listening/watching, and every company capable of collecting data, is doing just that. I don't believe all of it equates to spying, and I don't necessarily care who has my metadata.
The whole issue of Big Data vs. Individual Privacy is possibly the best example of how the world is not black and white. It's not even gray, it's a million shades of gray, with a little white speck on one end and a little black speck on the other.
It's also a great example of how nothing comes without a price. Imagine 75-100 years from now. Our smart phones, computers, financial data, medical history, etc. could all be on a tiny chip, embedded in a necklace or fingernail, and sync'd to a global Wi-Fi network. For all we know we could effectively achieve telepathy through technology. If someone got hurt, their device could record the trauma and immediately dispatch emergency services. The ambulance would be piloted by the city's traffic control system, which would direct traffic flow to create an optimal route. The hospital could have all relevant information and history before the patient arrives, and have an ER prepped and waiting. Or the patient could be escorted to a med bay by Matt Damon and be healed with the wave of a hand. Countless lives saved. Amazing, right? How could we possibly not want that?
Well, a few scenarios come to mind...
"Activate Kruger."
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The whole issue of Big Data vs. Individual Privacy is possibly the best example of how the world is not black and white. It's not even gray, it's a million shades of gray, with a little white speck on one end and a little black speck on the other.
It's also a great example of how nothing comes without a price. Imagine 75-100 years from now. Our smart phones, computers, financial data, medical history, etc. could all be on a tiny chip, embedded in a necklace or fingernail, and sync'd to a global Wi-Fi network. For all we know we could effectively achieve telepathy through technology. If someone got hurt, their device could record the trauma and immediately dispatch emergency services. The ambulance would be piloted by the city's traffic control system, which would direct traffic flow to create an optimal route. The hospital could have all relevant information and history before the patient arrives, and have an ER prepped and waiting. Or the patient could be escorted to a med bay by Matt Damon and be healed with the wave of a hand. Countless lives saved. Amazing, right? How could we possibly not want that?
Well, a few scenarios come to mind...
"Activate Kruger."
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Cappuccino
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What are you so paranoid about? Nobody is listening to your calls or watching you fap. You're not that interesting. These devices only "spy" on you (a.k.a collect metadata) in order to get better at selling stuff to you. Who collects this data, what they collect, etc. is legally a very gray area. You might think it's illegal for a company to know certain things about you, but you might be wrong about that.
So, while your paranoia is irrational and born out of boredom as you browse tech articles, "SJW" issues (a very broad derogatory term for anything remotely related to civil rights) actually have a very real impact on people's lives. Depending, of course, on which "SJW's" you feel like complaining about today.
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Omg, Bose is keeping track of which songs I listen to, we must rage against this Orwellian society
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Or did you say "SJW's" just in the general sense of "all that political stuff that frustrates me because I don't understand it, but I pretend to be above it because macho."
Oh right it's the transgender thing. I wasn't sure what to think about all of that either until I did some research. I was wondering if gender dysphoria was considered a treatable mental disorder, or an untreatable condition that people are born with. Turns out, to the best of our research, it's something people are born with.
Gender is fluid, both mentally and physically. People can be born with both, or "mutual" genitalia. People can identify as male, female, or no gender at all. As for sexual orientation, people can be heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, even asexual.
Bearing those facts in mind, I don't give a fuck which bathroom someone wants to use, if that small choice makes them feel more authentic in their character, and I don't know why anybody else would. Can you imagine growing up looking like a dude but feeling certain inside you're supposed to be a girl? I can't. They usually need long term counseling just to come to terms with the way they were born. Their suicide rates are through the roof, largely thanks to people like you who choose to hate them without understanding the first thing about them. Puh, stupid SJW's. /wrists
Oh right it's the transgender thing. I wasn't sure what to think about all of that either until I did some research. I was wondering if gender dysphoria was considered a treatable mental disorder, or an untreatable condition that people are born with. Turns out, to the best of our research, it's something people are born with.
Gender is fluid, both mentally and physically. People can be born with both, or "mutual" genitalia. People can identify as male, female, or no gender at all. As for sexual orientation, people can be heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, even asexual.
Bearing those facts in mind, I don't give a fuck which bathroom someone wants to use, if that small choice makes them feel more authentic in their character, and I don't know why anybody else would. Can you imagine growing up looking like a dude but feeling certain inside you're supposed to be a girl? I can't. They usually need long term counseling just to come to terms with the way they were born. Their suicide rates are through the roof, largely thanks to people like you who choose to hate them without understanding the first thing about them. Puh, stupid SJW's. /wrists
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See and this "nothing to hide" attitude is what is wrong. These companies are digging deeper and deeper into our lives and know every aspect of our lives. it's the principle that's wrong. We should have the right to privacy. It's the same reason why most people have curtains in their homes, and have showers that are in a room that is not visible from the rest of the house.
Surely the point is that nobody is interested in most of us _now_, but one day somebody might be? Either in all of us or just in a subset of us. It's not '1984' but it is slightly unnerving that a whole Stasi-like apparatus is slowly enveloping everyone, and the only thing missing is something sufficiently malevolent at the centre of it to make use of all the data. I mean, so much of our activities are now based around electronic communications, we can be tracked and monitored as never before in history, if anyone in power were sufficiently motivated to do so.
If the East German state magically came into existence now, they'd find everything was already in place to enable a level of surveillance they couldn't dream of, with their fallible-human informers and incredibly labour-intensive steaming-open of envelopes (a process that really looks kind of silly now, post-Snowdon).
It doesn't have to be an immediate political threat to feel a bit unnerving.
Still (this only just occurred to me) the sheer volume of data is going to require a lot of work to dig through, so perhaps this is the solution for the possible automation-job-loss crisis? In the future, robots will keep us in comfort while the unemployment problem is solved by employing each half of the population to analyse the communication and surveillance data generated by the other half, just in case they were planning to cause any trouble.
GagHalfrunt
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But it's Bose. So the data they're collecting won't be very accurate and they'll try to sell it to stupid people for 100 times more than it's worth.
deustroop
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Even though I'm in a head to head with Firefox in another thread, I gotta say that the Private Window is a perfect device, a well needed blanket over my internet rambling as against commercial interests and others who want to know where I been, where I am and where I'm going.
Damn, that's more than I know myself !
Damn, that's more than I know myself !
They really aren't digging deeper and deeper into your life. They are recording METADATA, usually 100% anonymous. The data collected is really no different from gathering bulk statistics. It's disturbing to think someone is tracking your every move, but that's not what is happening. Everybody's every move is tracked - it's all public data. For example, is the time you go to the store, or which store you go to, or even the things you buy "private" data? No, it's publicly observable. Like I said, we are not that interesting for anybody to truly care about our day to day lives. They just want to know what we like to buy so they can be better at selling stuff to us. They're not interested in any personal information, you're just a data point that spends data points on other data points.
That said, I agree that there are pitfalls and dangers associated with modern/future technology and data collection. Hence my half-joking reference to Elysium. As always, there will be individuals and forces looking to abuse whatever power they can. I'm just not overly concerned about it, perhaps you could say I take the Buddhist approach. As pmv was saying, the amount of data is too staggering for anybody to make sense of. That's because it's not meant to be sorted through and made into stories. Most of the paranoia about Big Data is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what Big Data is. I had similar fears until I learned a little bit more about it. They're not collecting names and addresses and analyzing behaviors - they are attaching numbers to numbers and crunching more numbers. It's really nothing more than 21st century statistics.
My main point is that I'm not concerned enough about the potential dangers to forgo the potential benefits. I've never been one to choose fear over progress. There is a lot yet to be discussed about where certain lines should be drawn as far as neutrality, privacy, etc., but I have faith that we will work it out because we always do. I remember when the internet was new and we were all told "NEVER use your real name on the internet!" Now, using real names has become a means of fostering accountability. When everybody is public, everybody is anonymous, just another name. Same as always. Another thing that hasn't changed: the people "in power" are still aware that they are only "in power" because we allow them to be. The minute they really step out of line, we can devour them like locusts and they know it.
John Connor
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HAHAHAHA! And I bet all the plaintiffs use Facebook a smartphone and Winblows 10. In other words, much to do about nothing. But I guess the real corker here is that Bose faild to inform its customers of said data mining.
Chaotic42
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Correct. Just be up front about your intentions and let me decide if I it's worth it for me to use your product knowing what you're doing.
Facebook/Google is super bad too, because even if you don't use their services they can still track you. Facebook will actually create a shadow profile of you and also will have your phone number and other info because they scrape info off other people's phones who do use FB. Pretty sure they also listen to your conversations through your phone as I often see references online to stuff I only did/said/heard IRL. Like a coworker will talk about something, then I start seeing related videos to it on Youtube the next day. Something completely random, not something trending. A lot of people think this too, but Facebook/Google has denied it. They do have speech recognition tech though so it's definitely possible to do. Apple probably does it too.
John Connor
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"Don't be evil."
NO. That would be highly illegal. They're not the NSA or some other law enforcement agency.
That's what she said!
http://www.sicclassactionsettlement.com/
I also agree with the "Just be up front about your intentions" part but that's usually in the super fine print if at all.
It's legal if it's in the EULA since you agreed to it by saying "yes". It's retarded but that's how it works. It could be hidden in there somewhere. Lot of people think this, though no one has proved it 100% yet. It's not really any different than what the Samsung TVs are doing. What I'm thinking is they would probably do the speech to text locally, then send the actual text to their servers. Would use way less bandwidth. This would probably also get around any kind of law about recording speech. But this has not been proven yet, just lot of suspicion about it. Often times IRL conversations end up triggering targeted advertising, so it does make one wonder.
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