In *other* NFL News.. Redskins to acquire #2 pick from Rams

[IndyColtsFan]

At this rate the Cardinals will finish the 2014 season 11-5 and be last in the division...

I kind of wish we had kept Arians and Pagano could've gone to the Cards. 🙂

 

[Sinsear]

The Skinsackriders have come out!!!!!


LOLRedskins

 

[MrSquished]

wow, the redskins got fleeced. it's not like they were going to have a late pick in the first round.

maybe they want clowney?

 

[glenn1]

wow, the redskins got fleeced. it's not like they were going to have a late pick in the first round.

maybe they want clowney?

I'm sure the Rams would love Clowney (imagine him paired with Roger Quinn....) but actually picking him is another story. Offensive linemen and Saftey are much bigger needs. Clowney would be a serious luxury pick when the #2 could be traded to another team looking to get him or a QB. It's not even inconceivable that the Texans could pick Clowney if they hold onto the #1 spot, JJ Watt and Clowney would also be an awesome combo.

 

[Sinsear]

lolRedskins

 

[Via]

It sure seemed back then that they gave up too much (especially considering their cap situation), and now there's not much doubt that they did.

The x factor in the whole deal is RG3 becoming a major prima donna and undercutting Shanahan way too often. Who saw that coming?

 

[mikegg]

It sure seemed back then that they gave up too much (especially considering their cap situation), and now there's not much doubt that they did.

The x factor in the whole deal is RG3 becoming a major prima donna and undercutting Shanahan way too often. Who saw that coming?

Not really. Rams are in NFC West. Will they win the division once in the next 5 years? All these picks don't matter if they can't get you to the playoffs.

RG3 when healthy is still one of the best QBs in the league.

It's an even trade in my opinion.

 

[Via]

Not really. Rams are in NFC West. Will they win the division once in the next 5 years? All these picks don't matter if they can't get you to the playoffs.

RG3 when healthy is still one of the best QBs in the league.

It's an even trade in my opinion.

The Seahawks and 49ers are going to have to pay Wilson and Kap huge money very soon, and that's going to take away a ton of depth.

The Rams will have comparatively cheap draft choices upgrading key positions on an emerging team. I wouldn't count them out at all. Their QB situation worries me a bit, but Fisher is a solid coach.

And that's not the issue here - the Redskins needed those draft choices with the cap problems they're incurring.

 

[mikegg]

The Seahawks and 49ers are going to have to pay Wilson and Kap huge money very soon, and that's going to take away a ton of depth.

The Rams will have comparatively cheap draft choices upgrading key positions on an emerging team. I wouldn't count them out at all. Their QB situation worries me a bit, but Fisher is a solid coach.

And that's not the issue here - the Redskins needed those draft choices with the cap problems they're incurring.

That's why I think it's an even trade. Sam Bradford is a glass cannon.

I don't see how anyone can say the Rams won the trade when they haven't even made the playoffs yet and may not for a long time.

I just don't see the Niners or Seahawks or even the Cardinals give ground to the Rams.

For all we know, RG3 fully realizes his potential next year and Bradford is injured again. Then who wins?

 

[Via]

They gave up too much, hence they lost.

 

[MrSquished]

That's why I think it's an even trade. Sam Bradford is a glass cannon.

I don't see how anyone can say the Rams won the trade when they haven't even made the playoffs yet and may not for a long time.

I just don't see the Niners or Seahawks or even the Cardinals give ground to the Rams.

For all we know, RG3 fully realizes his potential next year and Bradford is injured again. Then who wins?

the rams. they just made a fucking fantastic business deal. from our perspective right now, there is no other answer. whatever happens in the future is not relevant. this deal was seriously lopsided. we can wait and see what happens. but for now, the redskins sold the farm for one pick.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

That's why I think it's an even trade. Sam Bradford is a glass cannon.

I don't see how anyone can say the Rams won the trade when they haven't even made the playoffs yet and may not for a long time.

I just don't see the Niners or Seahawks or even the Cardinals give ground to the Rams.

For all we know, RG3 fully realizes his potential next year and Bradford is injured again. Then who wins?

It is entirely possible that the Redskins will give up the top overall pick for the pick which they used on RGIII. Their pick this year is currently sitting at #2 overall, which is the same spot they picked RGIII at last year. That coupled with the fact that the NFL levied salary cap fines on them (don't recall if they were reversed on appeal) means that the Redskins are likely going to have a talent issue for many years. It isn't so much a discussion about the Rams "winning" the trade as it is a discussion about the Redskins screwing themselves by paying way too much.

 

[glenn1]

That's why I think it's an even trade. Sam Bradford is a glass cannon.

I don't see how anyone can say the Rams won the trade when they haven't even made the playoffs yet and may not for a long time.

I just don't see the Niners or Seahawks or even the Cardinals give ground to the Rams.

For all we know, RG3 fully realizes his potential next year and Bradford is injured again. Then who wins?

Even comparing RG3's value against other QBs in his draft, he's obviously inferior to Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, and arguably Ryan Tannenhill. You could argue his relative value if the Skins already had the #2 draft slot, but they lost huge trading up for him.

 

[Nintendesert]

Not really. Rams are in NFC West. Will they win the division once in the next 5 years? All these picks don't matter if they can't get you to the playoffs.

RG3 when healthy is still one of the best QBs in the league.

It's an even trade in my opinion.

One of the best? QBs aren't rated on potential. Especially going into year three. At this point the Raciskins need to worry about him and that trade being a total bust.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Even comparing RG3's value against other QBs in his draft, he's obviously inferior to Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, and arguably Ryan Tannenhill. You could argue his relative value if the Skins already had the #2 draft slot, but they lost huge trading up for him.

This.

In a hypothetical world where the Redskins don't make the trade, they're sitting at the #6 slot and can take any number of QBs, of which the highest rated remaining QB was Tannehill. Even if they passed on him, they would've had a second-round pick to use on a QB (Foles, Wilson, and Cousins were available). Even if they pass on THAT, Wilson, Foles, and Cousins were still available when their third-round pick rolled around and Cousins was obviously still there in round 4.

Like I said in my previous post, it isn't about who "won" the trade or not. As I said earlier in the thread, sometimes you have to make gutsy moves but in this case, I think the Redskins paid too much. I do not believe RGIII will have a long career, nor do I believe he will be a HOFer. Obviously I could be wrong and eat my words down the road, but remember, the Broncos paid less for John Freaking Elway than the Redskins paid for RGIII. 😀 The Redskins overpaid, plain and simple.

EDIT: Also, in fairness to RGIII, he didn't have a terrible year statistically speaking. I'll refrain from doing one of my usual statistical breakdowns, but I think most of the negative press this year results from two factors:

1. The rumors of a prima-dona attitude and daddy fighting his battles in public.
2. He made some very bad plays this year.

People need to understand that his rookie year was probably the exception, not the rule, and you can't expect that every year.

 

[glenn1]

This.

In a hypothetical world where the Redskins don't make the trade, they're sitting at the #6 slot and can take any number of QBs, of which the highest rated remaining QB was Tannehill. Even if they passed on him, they would've had a second-round pick to use on a QB (Foles, Wilson, and Cousins were available). Even if they pass on THAT, both Russell Wilson and Nick Foles was still available when their third-round pick rolled.

Like I said in my previous post, it isn't about who "won" the trade or not. As I said earlier in the thread, sometimes you have to make gutsy moves but in this case, I think the Redskins paid too much. I do not believe RGIII will have a long career, nor do I believe he will be a HOFer. Obviously I could be wrong and eat my words down the road, but remember, the Broncos paid less for John Freaking Elway than the Redskins paid for RGIII. 😀 The Redskins overpaid, plain and simple.

To be fair, the Colts just gave a first rounder for Trent Freaking Richardson, so you have experience about overpaying.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

In the end you can't change physics. Skinny running qb's can't take the pounding of a nfl season. It's proven time after time.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

To be fair, the Colts just gave a first rounder for Trent Freaking Richardson, so you have experience about overpaying.

You forget, I lived through the Bob Irsay years so I know a lopsided trade when I see one. While the TRich trade looks bad, he isn't the worst trade in Indianapolis Colts history. See: Fredd Young trade with Seattle, which might be the worst trade I've seen. Not only because of what they gave up for Young, but because they were already out a first-round pick because of the Dickerson trade and therefore went 3 years without a #1 pick (though I am trying to remember -- I think they did eventually recoup one pick because I seem to remember them getting a #1 pick in exchange for Chris Chandler. Too lazy to look it up though.)

I'll be honest -- I initially supported the TRich trade and probably would've said to give it a little more time to see if he is indeed a failure. Note I said "would've said" -- the injury to Wayne and the disaster that is Heyward-Bey now makes the loss of the #1 pick a huge blow.

EDIT: Curiosity killed me, so I looked it up. They did get a #1 pick for Chandler from Tampa but it was a few years after that gap of three years with no #1 pick. The pick from Tampa became a #2 overall and the Colts already had the #1 overall pick that year, so they ended up taking Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt, neither of which panned out - Emtman due to injuries and Coryatt due to lack of discipline/football IQ. Coryatt was one of the freakish physical talents in the NFL but dumber than a box of rocks, so it was a shame.

 

[Sinsear]

RG3 when healthy is still one of the best QBs in the league.

Seen as you're obviously making judgement off of one years performance (because he's been terrible this year, but not healthy accordig to you), is it safe to assume Nick Foles is the best quarterback in the league?

 

[mikegg]

The patriots have clearly demonstrated that you don't need high draft picks every year to succeed. Getting a real franchise qb is far more important than accumulating picks in which half will be busts.

The Rams haven't won anything. Hypothetically, they could be in a better situation with rg3. They don't have rg3. They have Sam Overrated Bradford on a huge contract. They will have little chance to make the playoffs for many years.

In my opinion, they would have been better off cutting Bradford and getting Rg3. It's easy to hate on rg3 now because he's been injured, he's losing, and the media is dogging him. But he has shown that he's in the top echelon of qbs when healthy.

 

[zinfamous]

Seen as you're obviously making judgement off of one years performance (because he's been terrible this year, but not healthy accordig to you), is it safe to assume Nick Foles is the best quarterback in the league?

He actually hasn't been all that terrible this year, especially considering that he's been playing hurt all year on a team with problems at nearly every position.

It doesn't really help to be tasked, as a sophomore QB, with recovering from large point spreads handed to you by your defense early in every game.

Not making excuses for him, but terrible is what you call Matt Schaub or Eli Manning this year. RG3 clearly had a much better year than those stalwarts. He's also had a better 2nd season than Cam Newton had for his second year, which is pretty clearly a worse team than those Panthers. Again, injured.

 

[SP33Demon]

The patriots have clearly demonstrated that you don't need high draft picks every year to succeed. Getting a real franchise qb is far more important than accumulating picks in which half will be busts.

The Rams haven't won anything. Hypothetically, they could be in a better situation with rg3. They don't have rg3. They have Sam Overrated Bradford on a huge contract. They will have little chance to make the playoffs for many years.

In my opinion, they would have been better off cutting Bradford and getting Rg3. It's easy to hate on rg3 now because he's been injured, he's losing, and the media is dogging him. But he has shown that he's in the top echelon of qbs when healthy.

Key word is healthy. Many teams aren't going to draft a QB with a reconstructed knee, only the Redskins.

 

[mikegg]

Key word is healthy. Many teams aren't going to draft a QB with a reconstructed knee, only the Redskins.

Many teams won't send in a QB hobbling around and couldn't move. RG3 will be fine next year. I'm not even an RG3 fan but declaring the Rams the winner so early is pure idiotic.

 

[zinfamous]

derp--wrong thread

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'll just leave this here:

That RGIII trade looks better for the Rams all the time. The blockbuster deal eventually played a role in getting Mike Shanahan fired in Washington (after perhaps initially earning him a fourth season in D.C.), but it has been nothing but aces for St. Louis. With Washington's loss to the Giants, the Redskins (3-13) locked up the No. 2 pick, which they will promptly ship to the Rams as the final payment in the Griffin trade.

The Rams traded their No. 2 pick in 2012 and received first-round selections in 2012 and '13, with a second-rounder in 2012, and now, the No. 2 overall pick in 2014. They won't get a king's ransom in trade for this No. 2, but they might again put it up for auction and see if a quarterback-needy team, or someone in love with South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney, comes calling.

Players who have been drafted by the Rams with those picks from the Redskins, or the extra picks that St. Louis turned them into, include defensive tackle Michael Brockers, cornerback Janoris Jenkins, linebacker Alec Olgetree, running back Zac Stacy and whomever comes their way via the No. 2 pick in 2014. Maybe not Herschel Walker-turn-the-franchise-around-overnight-like, but a pretty good haul nonetheless.