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in one sentence describe why you are for or against gun ownership

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schneiderguy said:
In Switzerland it is MANDATORY to own a gun. And not just any gun, but a UBER EVIL FULLY AUTOMATIC ASSAULT RIFLE.
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... you have a weird definition of mandatory

you're issued a Sig SG 550 by the army when you're deemed fit for military service
"satisfying physically, intellectually and psychically requirements for military service or civil protection service and being capable of accomplishing these services without harming oneself or others"
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about 2/3 of Swiss males are deemed fit for mandatory military service (women have to volunteer) at the age of 18 and then receive military training.
after bootcamp you are part of the Swiss militia
the Swiss Militia continues to consist of most of the adult male population (with voluntary participation by women) required to keep an automatic rifle at home and to periodically engage in combat and marksmanship training.
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so no it is not mandatory to own a gun in Switzerland.
 
Numenorean said:
I go target and clay shooting all the time. That is a valid purpose and it kills nothing. Explain that.
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Owning a deadly weapon for fun is not a valid use of it, it's like owning a car so you can drive it into a lake for shits and giggles.

mvbighead said:
What do you call hunting? I can use my Winchester SX2 12 gauge to shoot a duck. I can also load it with buck shot or slugs to kill larger game as well as for use for self defense.
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I call it a blood sport, immoral killing.

Oh, I see you read my post with regard to protection of life, yet disregard the hunting aspect... have you no argument for that?
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Sorry, that part of the post started "with regards to the OP" so I assumed it wasn't aimed at me, I am completely wholly against hunting, killing of any life, either animal or human.
 
brandonb said:
They have other valid purposes.

Guns do more than just kill things... One of the main ones is: It's scary! That fear prevents the worldy bullies from messing with me. I don't even have to own a gun. The fact that I could own a gun is enough.

That said, in one sentence.

Gun ownership keeps the world civil.
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The fear only comes from the threat of violence though.
 
HAL9000 said:
Owning a deadly weapon for fun is not a valid use of it, it's like owning a car so you can drive it into a lake for shits and giggles.
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Why is owning a gun for the enjoyment of a sport not a valid use? You may think it isn't a valid use, but it certainly is.

There are also other valid uses for my guns. Protection from lawbreakers. Now maybe it's different over there in England. Do you have a policeman that guards every persons house for you over there? No? Well then wouldn't it be useful to have something to protect yourself against lawbreakers?
 
HAL9000: in an earlier post in this thread, I believe you stated that your position on this issue has changed to some degree on this issue since taking part in debates here. Could you elaborate on what has changed, and why? Maybe we could look at some common ground first, and see where that might lead. Just a thought, but I am sincerely interested in what has changed, and why.

Thanks.
 
Numenorean said:
Why is owning a gun for the enjoyment of a sport not a valid use? You may think it isn't a valid use, but it certainly is.

There are also other valid uses for my guns. Protection from lawbreakers. Now maybe it's different over there in England. Do you have a policeman that guards every persons house for you over there? No? Well then wouldn't it be useful to have something to protect yourself against lawbreakers?
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Because letting people have fun doesn't outweigh the lives that are taken by guns. Guns are deadly weapons regardless of whether or not you use them to eat your dinner or some other such bollocks.

Killing lawbreakers is also not a valid use of a gun. The only valid use of a gun is killing someone who is about to kill you, and it is so rare that a civilian will be in that situation (in the UK at least) that it doesn't warrant owning a gun.
 
HAL9000 said:
Sorry, that part of the post started "with regards to the OP" so I assumed it wasn't aimed at me, I am completely wholly against hunting, killing of any life, either animal or human.
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Do you eat meat? Do you use products which are derived by the killing of animals? Yes? Hypocrite.
 
davmat787 said:
HAL9000: in an earlier post in this thread, I believe you stated that your position on this issue has changed to some degree on this issue since taking part in debates here. Could you elaborate on what has changed, and why? Maybe we could look at some common ground first, and see where that might lead. Just a thought, but I am sincerely interested in what has changed, and why.

Thanks.
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Good call, absolutely. When I joined this forum my opinion was that gun ownership is a bad idea, that gun ownership is illogical, dangerous and irresponsible, whilst I have been a member it has been pointed out to me that America is incredibly dangerous, that people aren't safe (from what i'm told) without a gun, and that the police in America are not required to keep you safe in any way. Therefore it would seem logical to need a gun, when living in a dangerous place where you have to protect yourself. So perhaps owning a gun is a good idea in America, until at least you guys sort out the police / government.
 
Blackjack200 said:
I'm sc sc sceeered.
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Hey, if you can protect yourself without a gun, then all the more power to you. But what about the lady who is 5'3'' disabled vet in this thread? Not everyone has wonderwoman bracelets who can deflect bullets. I don't even own a firearm, but I don't think I have the right to deny someone else who does feel they need one.
 
HAL9000 said:
Because letting people have fun doesn't outweigh the lives that are taken by guns. Guns are deadly weapons regardless of whether or not you use them to eat your dinner or some other such bollocks.

Killing lawbreakers is also not a valid use of a gun. The only valid use of a gun is killing someone who is about to kill you, and it is so rare that a civilian will be in that situation (in the UK at least) that it doesn't warrant owning a gun.
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A gun isn't any deadlier than a baseball bat or a piece of pipe. Dead is dead. Do we ban every possible deadly weapon?

Killing lawbreakers is certainly a valid use of a gun. If someone breaks into my house, I am fully within my rights to shoot and kill them, and I will if that happens and I will not feel bad about it. One less criminal on the streets is better for everyone.
 
Numenorean said:
A gun isn't any deadlier than a baseball bat or a piece of pipe. Dead is dead. Do we ban every possible deadly weapon?

Killing lawbreakers is certainly a valid use of a gun. If someone breaks into my house, I am fully within my rights to shoot and kill them, and I will if that happens and I will not feel bad about it. One less criminal on the streets is better for everyone.
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In america you are, in the UK you are not, I disagree with capital punishment for breaking and entering, it surprises me that so many americans are for it.
 
HAL9000 said:
Good call, absolutely. When I joined this forum my opinion was that gun ownership is a bad idea, that gun ownership is illogical, dangerous and irresponsible, whilst I have been a member it has been pointed out to me that America is incredibly dangerous, that people aren't safe (from what i'm told) without a gun, and that the police in America are not required to keep you safe in any way. Therefore it would seem logical to need a gun, when living in a dangerous place where you have to protect yourself. So perhaps owning a gun is a good idea in America, until at least you guys sort out the police / government.
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From 3000 miles away in another country reading ATOT, I could see how one might come to that conclusion. However, I think it is wrong to expect the police to keep you safe, that is not their job. In this news report from the UK, did the police keep this pregnant woman safe, or did the knife? Have you ever been to America?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BweB2wBuZhQ
 
HAL9000 said:
In america you are, in the UK you are not, I disagree with capital punishment for breaking and entering, it surprises me that so many americans are for it.
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It's not legal in all states unfortunately.

You're fine with coddling criminals over there? Must be nice to them and all?

There is no reason to break into someones house. If you do, it's at your own peril. I have no problem with that.
 
Numenorean said:
It's not legal in all states unfortunately.

You're fine with coddling criminals over there? Must be nice to them and all?

There is no reason to break into someones house. If you do, it's at your own peril. I have no problem with that.
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I never mentioned coddling them, I'm just not for executing them. Beat the shit out of them by all means, but breaking into someones house shouldn't result in death.
 
Numenorean said:
A gun isn't any deadlier than a baseball bat or a piece of pipe. Dead is dead. Do we ban every possible deadly weapon?

Killing lawbreakers is certainly a valid use of a gun. If someone breaks into my house, I am fully within my rights to shoot and kill them, and I will if that happens and I will not feel bad about it. One less criminal on the streets is better for everyone.
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hes seemingly insuating that the UK has no violent crime or murder 🙄
 
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