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In India, a Child's Life Is Cheap Indeed

xyyz

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you tell it how it is Celia....

BTW... before some of you shoot off and start talking S-... this is the article name...

if you have beef tell it to the NY Times....

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In India, a Child's Life Is Cheap Indeed

By CELIA W. DUGGER

HMEDABAD, India, March 6 ? The flatbed truck pulled up to the Muslim cemetery today bearing a terrible cargo. Volunteers with plastic bags tied to their hands lifted tiny charred bodies from the back, where they were piled without so much as a sheet for cover, and gently carried them onto the grounds as though they were just asleep.

These 21 Muslim boys and girls, burned to death by raging Hindu mobs and unclaimed in the city mortuary for days, were buried here this afternoon in mass graves for victims of the worst Hindu-Muslim riots in nearly a decade.

No relatives were there to mourn them, just solemn young men with handkerchiefs over their noses who performed the final rituals.

If the children's families can ever be identified ? if, in fact, the families did not perish in the flames ? they will be entitled to 100,000 rupees, or $2,050, in compensation from the state, half the amount the state has promised to the mostly Hindu families of the 58 people who burned to death on a train loaded with Hindu activists.

"The government is pricing Muslims at 100,000 rupees and Hindus at 200,000 rupees," Afaullah Khan, a businessman and volunteer, said bitterly as the children's blackened, twisted bodies were laid on the sandy ground in the commodious shade of a banyan tree.

The government says the train attack dead were victims of terrorism, while the more than 500 people who died in the days of rioting that followed were victims of Hindu-Muslim violence, hence the difference in valuations.

But to the state's Muslim minority, the government's compensation policy has become one more piece of a puzzle that is fast convincing them that officials here in the western state of Gujarat are discriminating against them for political gain.


The 21 children and one woman brought today to the Kalandri mosque cemetery joined 104 other riot victims already buried here, but no senior state official has yet come to console the Muslim community, the volunteers said. None arrived today, though news of the funeral was on the front page of this morning's Indian Express.

The disillusionment of Muslims here and at a nearby school that shelters thousands who fled the mob violence reflects the broader anger and disappointment of the city's Muslims at a police force that failed to protect them and a state chief minister who blamed Muslims for provoking the worst instances of mob violence directed at them.

Last Friday and again on Monday morning, people living on the school's crowded concrete floors complained that the government had given them no food, no water, no clothes, no blankets.

The state did not begin to help until five days after the riots began, said Daud Bhai Ghariyali, a watch shop owner who is helping run the shelter. Sure enough, as he stood in the teeming shelter, a state health official finally showed up with doctors to give women and children checkups.

Asked why help had not arrived sooner, the official, S. K. Nanda, said the job was really the municipality's responsibility, not the state's, and he did not know why the city had not responded earlier. The state's home minister, Govardhan Bhai Zadafiya, insisted in an interview today that food was provided, but Mr. Ghariyali was emphatic that it was not.

At the cemetery today, volunteers tried to cover the sickening sweet smell of the dead children with bowls of burning incense sticks. The bodies lay on the ground for two hours, but no one from the shelter came to claim them.

Among those waiting to witness the burial was M. R. Mansouri, 69, a local resident. He tried to explain the cruel math of Indian politics ? a math that tempts politicians to try to turn Muslims and Hindus against each other.

"Politically, the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party is down," Mr. Mansouri said.

In Gujarat, the last large state the party governs, the party wins if it can unite the Hindus, normally divided by caste and other factors ? and it accomplishes that by setting them against the Muslims. "The advantage for them is a polarization of votes," Mr. Mansouri said. "At election time, they'll be the beneficiary."


Shortly after 5 p.m. today, as the dirgelike call to prayer sounded, young men carried the children's bodies, modestly covered with small white sheets, to the mass grave. They were laid in a layer on top of other bodies already buried there. A dense swarm of flies did a crazed dance above them.

First, the men who carried them threw clumps of reddish dirt into the deep grave by the handful, then by the bowl full, until the bodies were completely buried and ready for the next layer of victims.
 
Uhhh... Guess what? There's all of about 5 people here on Anandtech who are familiar with Indian politics, so I doubt anyone gives a sh|t.

Are you some kind of beloved patriot? Why all the anti-Indian threads? You know, you Pakis (or Indian Muslims who identify themselves as Pakis) might actually be able to make something of yourselves if you actually worked, instead of thumping the Koran all day and preaching anti-Indian, anti-American, anti-Jew, anti-Christian, propaganda all day. Cheers.
 


<< Uhhh... Guess what? There's all of about 5 people here on Anandtech who are familiar with Indian politics, so I doubt anyone gives a sh|t.

Are you some kind of beloved patriot? Why all the anti-Indian threads? You know, you Pakis (or Indian Muslims who identify themselves as Pakis) might actually be able to make something of yourselves if you actually worked, instead of thumping the Koran all day and preaching anti-Indian, anti-American, anti-Jew, anti-Christian, propaganda all day. Cheers.
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well then this is for those 5 people.... and of those people none give a S- what you think anways...

i didn't write the article... according to you anyone who posts anything that is critical of india is beloved patriot? ummm I seriously doubt that Celia is pakistani.

why are so many pro-indians attacking pakis anyways? this is about how there is a double standard in how the indian government deals muslim and hindu victims. i suggest you stop avoiding the topic and putting silly spin on your pro-india stance... and talk about the issue at hand.

if you want to attack paksitan... please do it in your own thread.
 
africa and the middle east are both slowly falling off of the face of the planet...africa is gonna f*ck to death (AIDS) and the mideast is just gonna blow itself up....

these people are not all of a sudden going to become intelligent and civilized...good riddance if they f*ck themselves over..thats what they get for fighting like idiot cavemen...
 


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<< Uhhh... Guess what? There's all of about 5 people here on Anandtech who are familiar with Indian politics, so I doubt anyone gives a sh|t.

Are you some kind of beloved patriot? Why all the anti-Indian threads? You know, you Pakis (or Indian Muslims who identify themselves as Pakis) might actually be able to make something of yourselves if you actually worked, instead of thumping the Koran all day and preaching anti-Indian, anti-American, anti-Jew, anti-Christian, propaganda all day. Cheers.
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well then this if for those 5 people.... and of those people about 0 give a S- what you think anways...

i didn't write the article... according to you anyone who posts anything that is critical of india is beloved patriot? ummm I seriously doubt that Celia is pakistani.

why attacking pakis anyways? this is about how there is a double standard in how the indian government deals muslim and hindu victims. i suggest you stop avoiding the topic and putting silly spin on your pro-india stance... and talk about the issue at hand.
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Hey! Guess what? You just taught yourself something; this is a perfect example of why men and women fight, with all their might, to keep the United States of America the way it is. FREE. The barbaric acts you have described happen in backass, third world countries every day. Sorry...it's not exactly breaking news to anyone. Complaining here will not help your people. We Americans have enough to worry about right now, thanks very much. Complain to the Indian government or complain to whatever psychopathic egomaniac is running things on that side of the world this day.
 


<< Complain to the Indian government or complain to whatever psychopathic egomaniac is running things on that side of the world this day. >>



I couldn't agree with you anymore. It's the Muslims hope to drag the U.S. into Indo-Pak conflicts, and to drag Indo-Pak conflicts into the U.S. India has practically begged the U.S. not to get involved. That's why this post has no place on this message board.
 


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<< Complain to the Indian government or complain to whatever psychopathic egomaniac is running things on that side of the world this day. >>



I couldn't agree with you anymore. It's the Muslims hope to drag the U.S. into Indo-Pak conflicts, and to drag Indo-Pak conflicts into the U.S. India has practically begged the U.S. not to get involved. That's why this post has no place on this message board.
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Any post is allowed here, even the ass-backwards ignorant crap you spew.

Cheers! 😀
 
Shantanu shut the hell up you stupid indian, go take a bath in a washroom and not a dirty river, if you can make fun of countries and races then so can i, stupid beloved patriot.
 


<< Shantanu shut the hell up you stupid indian, go take a bath in a washroom and not a dirty river, if you can make fun of countries and races then so can i, stupid beloved patriot. >>




oh he is indian? That would (partly) explain his retarded posts in these threads..
 


<< Shantanu shut the hell up you stupid indian, go take a bath in a washroom and not a dirty river, if you can make fun of countries and races then so can i, stupid beloved patriot. >>



Stupid beloved patriot? Hrmmm... I seem to vaguely recall that this site is owned and operated by another "stupid beloved patriot". If you hate Indian-Americans, why are you posting on a board owned by one?



<< also tell your country about an innovation called a "condom" >>



Actually the Hindu, Christian, Sikh, Jain, etc. couples in India have - on average - fewer than 2 kids each. It's the Muslim families with their 6+ kids that brings up the nation's birth rate. Some have recommended that the government have a forced sterilization program for Muslims... But that would be cruel.
 


<< Shantanu shut the hell up you stupid indian, go take a bath in a washroom and not a dirty river, if you can make fun of countries and races then so can i, stupid beloved patriot. >>



you wanna ease up on the rascist comments jagoff? Im Indian too, you got a problem with that?
 
im not racist against anyone but here everyone makes fun of muslims, im not muslim but i gotta defend them, you guys treat them like garbage so i treat u like garbage.
 
Can we lay off the name-calling and racial comments? I still don't understand why people start ragging on the entire race of the countries or religion involved.

Not all the Muslims are fighting against all the Hindus and vice versa!! All over India, muslims and hindus live in harmony. Just cause it happens in one county people get their panties in a huddle (is that hte right phrase?).

people fight all over the world, hel you have your gang fighting in the USA all the time. Those people who claim to be hindus and muslims who are burning people aren't really either, they are both deluded bastards who wanna justify their lust for death in the name of God or they have no self-trhought because they are blinding by a fake curtain of religion covering their eyes.

its 12.33AM...my post made no sense and i am sleepy.

 


<< im not racist against anyone but here everyone makes fun of muslims, im not muslim but i gotta defend them, you guys treat them like garbage so i treat u like garbage. >>



Knight in shining armor, are you? When did I ever make fun of muslims or pakistanis or any race for that matter? If you have issues with people, deal with them 1 on 1 instead of making dumbass statements.

BTW, your reason is one of the stupidest reasons for saying what you said. How old are you?
 


<< Shantanu shut the hell up you stupid indian, go take a bath in a washroom and not a dirty river, if you can make fun of countries and races then so can i, stupid beloved patriot. >>



Um what the fvck are u trying to do here? i suggest u leave this thread or better yet this board u racist. WE DO NOT NEED ASSHOLES LIKE YOU AROUND HERE.

and yes, anand is indian, so id suggest u take ur problems with indians or "towel heads" elsewhere dumbass.
 


<< im not racist against anyone but here everyone makes fun of muslims, im not muslim but i gotta defend them, you guys treat them like garbage so i treat u like garbage. >>



LoL mmhm...wasnt towel heads a term they used around the gulf war for muslims, or iraqies? I think ur an idiot anways, beloved patriot is a racial slur that can apply to the middle east and india, more commonly the middle east so thus u are not defending anyone here. Im sure the real muslims would kick ur ass just for saying stupid stuff.
 


<< Hey! Guess what? You just taught yourself something; this is a perfect example of why men and women fight, with all their might, to keep the United States of America the way it is. FREE. The barbaric acts you have described happen in backass, third world countries every day. Sorry...it's not exactly breaking news to anyone. Complaining here will not help your people. We Americans have enough to worry about right now, thanks very much. Complain to the Indian government or complain to whatever psychopathic egomaniac is running things on that side of the world this day. >>



hey guess what? i'm a natural born US citizen... which would make me American the last time I checked...

these are are not "my people." I am sympathetic to them though...

there's nothing wrong in being sympathetic is there? besidse... it was an NY Times article... i thought i'd share... 😀
 


<< werent u just making fun of pakis? and muslims, you must think indians are number one. >>



nice instigating ..

anyways, if nobody freakin noticed indians and muslims had tensions for many years now, and its not going to end any time soon. India has taken pakistan on many times and crushed it, seriously, its not going to help to fight again...And if it is, then i suggest india makes allies with Isreal that would be awsome for them.
 


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<< Shantanu shut the hell up you stupid indian, go take a bath in a washroom and not a dirty river, if you can make fun of countries and races then so can i, stupid beloved patriot. >>



Stupid beloved patriot? Hrmmm... I seem to vaguely recall that this site is owned and operated by another "stupid beloved patriot". If you hate Indian-Americans, why are you posting on a board owned by one?



<< also tell your country about an innovation called a "condom" >>



Actually the Hindu, Christian, Sikh, Jain, etc. couples in India have - on average - fewer than 2 kids each. It's the Muslim families with their 6+ kids that brings up the nation's birth rate. Some have recommended that the government have a forced sterilization program for Muslims... But that would be cruel.
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not to digress too far from here... but let's look at your silly remark shall we?

india is 80% hindu and 12% muslim...

let's keep it simple and say that it has 1 billion people...

that means that 800,000,000 are hindu while 120,000,000 are muslim...

now, you wanna recheck your facts about who has more babies? BTW... where did you get your statiscs anyways... just curious could it be from the VHP?
 
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