"In Defense of Sansa Stark"

[Veliko]

Anything but math and science is [mostly] a waste.

Random insults? How 3rd grade.

Your entire mindset is that of a 3rd grade suffering with autism.

 

[nickbits]

Your entire mindset is 3rd grade.

This isn't even my final form

 

[SMOGZINN]

Anything but math and science is [mostly] a waste.

That is only true is you believe that the only goal of an education is to earn more money.
The study of history and culture is important to the human race as a whole. We must learn from our mistakes or we will perish, and probably soon.

 

[nickbits]

That is only true is you believe that the only goal of an education is to earn more money.
The study of history and culture is important to the human race as a whole. We must learn from our mistakes or we will perish, and probably soon.

True but doing that from "women's perspective according to feminist perspectives1" is not.

1 wikipedia

 

[Veliko]

True but doing that from "women's perspective according to feminist perspectives1" is not.

1 wikipedia

So learning about the past and human history is important, unless it's about the parts that involve women in which case it's a waste of time.

I had no idea that nehalem had another login.

 

[pauldun170]

Sansa's story isn't gender. Its about having your dreams destroyed, getting exposed to the real world and how you face those challenges.

Sansa's story has merged with Littlefinger's for a reason.
Cersei, Sansa and Littlefinger are all 3 parts of a similar\shared character arc.

 

[pauldun170]

Anyone who believes that learning about social history is a waste of time is incredibly stupid.



Does she remind you of those tentacle rape porn videos you like so much?

Derp derp.

Anything but math and science is [mostly] a waste.

Random insults? How 3rd grade.

Children....settle down or no ice cream.

 

[SMOGZINN]

True but doing that from "women's perspective according to feminist perspectives1" is not.

1 wikipedia

The misogyny is strong with this one.
You just said that women's perspectives are not worth studying.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Children....settle down or no ice cream.

You participated in this with your condescending meme, you don't get to tell others not to.

 

[pauldun170]

You participated in this with your condescending meme, you don't get to tell others not to.

Yes I do.
I have ice cream

 

[SP33Demon]

Derp derp.

The story of your life as a feminist.

 

[SP33Demon]

The misogyny is strong with this one.
You just said that women's perspectives are not worth studying.

As far as monetizing a degree, it's as worthless as a history degree. It is probably worth studying as a hobby (or degree minor) but not if you want to be employable after college.

 

[Veliko]

The story of your life as a feminist.

Please, continue your story about evolution. It was as good as any article on The Onion that I've read recently.

 

[smackababy]

The misogyny is strong with this one.
You just said that women's perspectives are not worth studying.

Women's Perspectives as a major is not worth studying, especially as someone with a women's perspective on life (you know, a women). If you want to apply your women's perspective to something meaningful (even something like literature and art), study that. A class devoted to how women perceive the world is utterly useless to women (who, and this is just a guess, dominate enrollment). With that, I think women's studies gets a very bad rap from the media. We see these caricatures of feminists in movies and assume it is all like that. If someone were to study women's role in the history of art or something, that is entirely different than a class dedicated in the hating of men.



As far as Sansa Stark, I very much dislike her character. Not so much because she is stupid and naive, but because it feels like GRRM didn't care enough to give her real depth. Other characters are so well done (Jaime is some bad guy at the start, but you eventually learn that even the world of Westeros is only shades of grey). Sansa doesn't get that treatment. She is basically a MacGuffin and refuses to participate in anyway to better her situation until it is far too late (and even then, she doesn't truly understand how much of a pawn she is).

 

[TuSpockShakur]

Sounds like the name of a porno movie. Like, "In Defense of Savannah" from around 1990.

 

[pauldun170]

As far as Sansa Stark, I very much dislike her character. Not so much because she is stupid and naive, but because it feels like GRRM didn't care enough to give her real depth. Other characters are so well done (Jaime is some bad guy at the start, but you eventually learn that even the world of Westeros is only shades of grey). Sansa doesn't get that treatment. She is basically a MacGuffin and refuses to participate in anyway to better her situation until it is far too late (and even then, she doesn't truly understand how much of a pawn she is).

I think the initial lack of "depth" is ok in that it establishes the character as someone naive and innocent. When her story line tosses her lemons, we see the impact.
We see what happens when you make "something" from nothing.
What happens when you take a generic character (she's basically a trope) and turn them into something like Littlefinger? Cersei?

Her storyline doesn't seem to show her remaining a pawn for much longer.

 

[smackababy]

I think the initial lack of "depth" is ok in that it establishes the character as someone naive and innocent. When her story line tosses her lemons, we see the impact.
We see what happens when you make "something" from nothing.
What happens when you take a generic character (she's basically a trope) and turn them into something like Littlefinger? Cersei?

Her storyline doesn't seem to show her remaining a pawn for much longer.

I've read the books, she doesn't get beyond pawn. Although, there are some changes that were made in the show that hint at her becoming less of a hostage. Perhaps, that changes entirely. But, I doubt it.

 

[pauldun170]

I've read the books, she doesn't get beyond pawn. Although, there are some changes that were made in the show that hint at her becoming less of a hostage. Perhaps, that changes entirely. But, I doubt it.

I'm finishing up book 5 now.
I think one of the themes is that almost everyone is a pawn.
Book 6 will hopefully be good

 

[nickbits]

The misogyny is strong with this one.
You just said that women's perspectives are not worth studying.

As a separate and isolated entity? No. As part of a larger whole, sure. I'm pretty sure a major in women's studies qualifies as the former.

 

[Kushina]

Sanza is like that girl you ask what's wrong and shes says nothing's wrong. You flip the world for her, *5 days later* what's wrong? Nothing. =| =| =||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

 

[pauldun170]

Sanza is like that girl you ask what's wrong and shes says nothing's wrong. You flip the world for her, *5 days later* what's wrong? Nothing. =| =| =||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

Sansa and Theon should have tea together.

 

[zinfamous]

Is this one of those furry threads?

:hmm:

 

[Kushina]

Sansa and Theon should have tea together.

Lmao that would be funny, would be such a troll fest. Someone should make that into a comic or something. Sanza is an underdog Theon deserved what he got and worse imo.

 

[SP33Demon]

Please, continue your story about evolution. It was as good as any article on The Onion that I've read recently.

derp derp

 

[pauldun170]

Lmao that would be funny, would be such a troll fest. Someone should make that into a comic or something. Sanza is an underdog Theon deserved what he got and worse imo.

His father wanted to free his people from the rule of a foreign entity that did not share the values of his people. His rebellion against Baratheon ended when Ned Stark and Rob Baratheon defeated him, killing Theon's brothers in the process.
Theon, a 9 year old boy, was taken from his home to serve as hostage for ten years.
When granted an opportunity to rejoin his family he does so serving their cause. However, due to his absence, his family rejects him.

At this point, Theon has been taken from his family and accepted by noone. The Starks treated him well but reminded him that he was not one of them. His own father rejects him.
To win his favor from the father who rejected him, he takes Winterfelll from the people who crushed his Fathers rebellion and killed his brothers.

When he takes rule, he deals with the one person who challenges his rule and does so in a manner appropriate for the world built by G.Martin.

His worst offense appears to be the killing of 2 innocent boys.

Sansa betrayed Arya so she could "keep her prince Joffrey" resulting in the death of an innocent boy, Sansa's wolf and also results in Arya losing her wolf.
Sansa betrayed her own Father resulting in her father's death.

Sansa betrayed to chase her fairy tales
Theon betrayed his captors and the killers of his brethren.