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In case you were curious, 1700F is kinda hot

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I know there are higher temperatures, but I was heat treating some steel today and when I went to take it out of the furnace, apparently my gloves were not exactly up to snuff and caught fire more or less immediately 😱

I had to keep the gloves away from the furnace wall insulation and all was well. I got the steel bar out ok - my gloves just came away a little charred 😀

FWIW, 1700F ~ 927C

721C = Eutectic temperature of steel

1538C = melting point of pure iron

Today was a good day at work 🙂
 
That's also the testing temperature for "fireproof document safes". 1700F on the outside for 60 minutes, < 350F on the inside to preserve paper documents.

I thought this was going to be a thread about GTX480 3 Way SLI - Ferminator 3 - After Judgement Day.
 
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That's also the testing temperature for "fireproof document safes". 1700F on the outside for 60 minutes, < 350F on the inside to preserve paper documents.

I thought this was going to be a thread about GTX480 3 Way SLI - Ferminator 3 - After Judgement Day.

sorry to disappoint 🙁

does solution heat treated high quality stainless steel do anything for you?

i'm going to precipitation harden it later :awe::awe:


@bostondangler, just an electric furnace (resistance heating elements AFAIK)
 
sorry to disappoint 🙁

does solution heat treated high quality stainless steel do anything for you?

i'm going to precipitation harden it later :awe::awe:


@bostondangler, just an electric furnace (resistance heating elements AFAIK)

PH17 process....mmmmm :awe:
 
I absentmindedly grabbed a cast iron skillet that was fresh out of a 550 degree oven a couple of months ago. Barehanded.

I win?
 
That's also the testing temperature for "fireproof document safes". 1700F on the outside for 60 minutes, < 350F on the inside to preserve paper documents.

I thought this was going to be a thread about GTX480 3 Way SLI - Ferminator 3 - After Judgement Day.

That was low blow I call foul.
 
Ya I agree with Fermi part . Judgment day was what I was referring to . Nice clip . Weld with hydrogen gas some time that will be eye opener . 4 pairs of gloves and water cooled gun When I left welding Fab. Industry to Tech . Maintenance it was like I died and went to heaven .
 
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I absentmindedly grabbed a cast iron skillet that was fresh out of a 550 degree oven a couple of months ago. Barehanded.

I win?

I did that too. sucked. hard...for a few days.

pan-searing steaks, are we?

😛

mine was actually on the stove top, food plated. I more or less instinctively reached out to move the handle of the pan so it wasn't sticking out over the stove.

I find the slide-on silicon grips to be absolutely awesome.
 
That's also the testing temperature for "fireproof document safes". 1700F on the outside for 60 minutes, < 350F on the inside to preserve paper documents.

I thought this was going to be a thread about GTX480 3 Way SLI - Ferminator 3 - After Judgement Day.

I'm gonna stick a pizza in the fireproof safe just in case there ever is a fire, no house but hey, documents are ok and look: a nice warm ready to eat (albeit old) pizza. I'll just ignore that pesky less than sign.
 
I use to do heat treating of aluminum and different types of steel. Are you tempering the stainless or what? I doubt you'd be aging any stainless. Aging is what we'd do with aluminum. It was at low temps 250-350f for several hours sometimes 36 hours. It would harden the aluminum. Aging steel would soften it I believe but it would be in the 1200f range. Unless youre heating the steel up and quenching it in oil you are softening the stainless.

Btw 1700f isn't that hot just enough to give it a solid red glow. Not hot enough to work with the metal just yet. 2400f furnaces are hot.
 
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Read up a little and it seems you can age stainless. But the precipitation hardening of the steel occurs when the stainless is made, correct? Precipitation hardened stainless contains different ingredients that as far as I know can't be added during the heat treating process. So you mean you're just heat treating precipitation hardened stainless?

I was always I fascinated by metalugy but was just the grunt worker. I did get to talk to our metalurgist quite often and saw how the science side of it worked and why we heat treated the metals.
 
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Forging steel is always fun. I remember doing it in a camp fire. Probably not as hot as a real forge designed for this, but we were getting crazy temps in there. I made a sword out of a piece of rebar lol, was fun. Also cool to do sword fights in the dark and all you see is orange glowing sticks hitting each other producing sparks. Surprised we never got hurt. 😱

Also fun to put something right at the core of the fire till it's glowing red hot, then drop it in a bucket of cold water.
 
lol i remember working with iron in school. we heated it up to like 900C or so, and then quenched it. i was scared shitless to handle it and bring it over to the water. It was placed in a metal container first which was then transported to a tub of water. But still....
 
lol i remember working with iron in school. we heated it up to like 900C or so, and then quenched it. i was scared shitless to handle it and bring it over to the water. It was placed in a metal container first which was then transported to a tub of water. But still....

We would oil quench steel up to a couple thousand pounds at a time when it was glowing red hot. It was all done inside the furnace luckily. While the parts were being quenched the furnace would expel flames out the exhausts and it was being fed liquid nitrogen at the same time.
 
I use to do heat treating of aluminum and different types of steel. Are you tempering the stainless or what? I doubt you'd be aging any stainless. Aging is what we'd do with aluminum. It was at low temps 250-350f for several hours sometimes 36 hours. It would harden the aluminum. Aging steel would soften it I believe but it would be in the 1200f range. Unless youre heating the steel up and quenching it in oil you are softening the stainless.

Btw 1700f isn't that hot just enough to give it a solid red glow. Not hot enough to work with the metal just yet. 2400f furnaces are hot.

Read up a little and it seems you can age stainless. But the precipitation hardening of the steel occurs when the stainless is made, correct? Precipitation hardened stainless contains different ingredients that as far as I know can't be added during the heat treating process. So you mean you're just heat treating precipitation hardened stainless?

I was always I fascinated by metalugy but was just the grunt worker. I did get to talk to our metalurgist quite often and saw how the science side of it worked and why we heat treated the metals.

i'm solution treating the stainless steel. One thing to note is that the steel I'm working with is actually relatively carbon-free < 0.04&#37; C). Your typical steel will have carbon up to ~0.1-0.2% usually, IIRC. i do have another sample that i'll be solution treating and ageing though.

what's happening in the steel (not to treat you like an idiot, just explaining it) is that all of your alloying elements will go into solid solution when you hit the annealing temperature (~1700F or so). Since this steel is carbon free, it actually isn't very hard at this point. The nickel content provides phase stability and basically keeps all of the alloying elements in despite falling temperatures as you air cool (normally you have to quench in water/oil to get fast enough cooling rates to lock all of the alloying elements in). One benefit of this is that you avoid warping/distortion from an oil/water quench.

So now that all of the alloying elements are "locked in" so to speak, you can precipitate them out by heat treating again at lower temperature (say 900F). This will cause some of the alloying elements to precipitate out into intermetallic compounds that provide a huge degree of strengthening.

The cool part is that because precipitation hardening is the strengthening mechanism, you can heat treat PH steels over and over and the (mechanical) properties won't change that much (in theory. i'm sure in practice things like residual stresses will play a huge role).

Standard carbon steels work the other way around. When the carbon enters into solution at the annealing temperature, you get solution hardening. You then quench to keep the carbon in and end up with an extremely hard, extremely strong but very brittle steel, and when you heat treat, you actually get precipitation softening and increased ductility.

Hope that was helpful in explaining how PH and plain carbon steels work in general 🙂 There are some other cool ones - duplex/dual phase, ausformed, etc but I don't know much about those really.
 
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