In case some of you dont know, the Supreme Court has already ruled on abortion. Also, Republicans are slimy bastards.

[shortylickens]

Arkansas governor signs near-total abortion ban into law

The bill only allows the procedure to save the life of the mother and does not provide exceptions for those impregnated by rape or incest.

www.cbsnews.com

They break the law repeatedly hoping a new mix of justices MIGHT back them up whenever the case makes it to the supreme court.
I'm of the opinion bills like that should be automatically voided until after they get it thru the supreme court.

Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Its a federal RIGHT. You can't take it away on a state by state basis.

 

[brycejones]

Arkansas governor signs near-total abortion ban into law

The bill only allows the procedure to save the life of the mother and does not provide exceptions for those impregnated by rape or incest.

www.cbsnews.com

They break the law repeatedly hoping a new mix of justices MIGHT back them up whenever the case makes it to the supreme court.
I'm of the opinion bills like that should be automatically voided until after they get it thru the supreme court.

Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Its a federal RIGHT. You can't take it away on a state by state basis.

You can if you pack enough federalist society kooks into the court.

 

[nickqt]

If a pregnant woman attempts suicide, with her and the fetus surviving, should the pregnant woman be charged with and convicted of attempted murder?

If a pregnant woman attempts suicide, with the woman surviving and the fetus dying, should the pregnant woman be charged with and convicted of murder?

If the answer to those questions is no, then like it looks like on the "surface" and internally, it's the woman's fucking body and it's her choice of what she wants inside her body.

To meet the forced-birth people half-way, once the fetus is viable, then the state MUST pay for any and all costs of the pregnant woman, including all medical care, shelter, costs, food, etc., since at that point the state is treating the mother like an incubator.

If you're going to force a woman to do something with her body, then I believe that would fall under the 5th Amendment takings clause, “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

I think a woman's uterus should qualify as private property, and the state is unequivocally commandeering that thing for public use if they're limiting what the woman can do with it.

That's about as far as you need to go to "negotiate" on this shit. If the state is going to take a woman's uterus and do with it what it wants, then it better be paying up for it.

 

[ivwshane]

If a pregnant woman attempts suicide, with her and the fetus surviving, should the pregnant woman be charged with and convicted of attempted murder?

If a pregnant woman attempts suicide, with the woman surviving and the fetus dying, should the pregnant woman be charged with and convicted of murder?

If the answer to those questions is no, then like it looks like on the "surface" and internally, it's the woman's fucking body and it's her choice of what she wants inside her body.

To meet the forced-birth people half-way, once the fetus is viable, then the state MUST pay for any and all costs of the pregnant woman, including all medical care, shelter, costs, food, etc., since at that point the state is treating the mother like an incubator.

If you're going to force a woman to do something with her body, then I believe that would fall under the 5th Amendment takings clause, “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

I think a woman's uterus should qualify as private property, and the state is unequivocally commandeering that thing for public use if they're limiting what the woman can do with it.

That's about as far as you need to go to "negotiate" on this shit. If the state is going to take a woman's uterus and do with it what it wants, then it better be paying up for it.

And you know damn well no anti choice supporter supports helping the woman or the baby in any such way.

 

[nickqt]

And you know damn well no anti choice supporter supports helping the woman or the baby in any such way.

Bingo. There is no negotiating with the forced-birth people. That's the point of my writing exercise.

I can come up with, what I believe is, a fair negotiation on abortion. Once a fetus becomes viable outside the womb, then no abortion, but since you're going to be taking that woman's fetus against her will, you're going to pay for it.

(Most) Forced-birth people aren't in this for saving babies. They're in it to punish women. Otherwise, they'd be doing a lot more than holding up signs when it's nice outside to harass women. They'd be throwing their bodies in the gears of "baby murder". And...they don't do that. Because ultimately they know it's a clump of cells that they'd wipe on a tissue if it fell out of their nose.

 

[weblooker2021]

Yes they have and with 6-3 conservative court, they might decide to overturn their previous ruling.

 

[pmv]

Arkansas governor signs near-total abortion ban into law

The bill only allows the procedure to save the life of the mother and does not provide exceptions for those impregnated by rape or incest.

www.cbsnews.com

They break the law repeatedly hoping a new mix of justices MIGHT back them up whenever the case makes it to the supreme court.

Well, that's pretty clearly the game-plan.

I'm of the opinion bills like that should be automatically voided until after they get it thru the supreme court.

Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Its a federal RIGHT. You can't take it away on a state by state basis.

But that's just like, your opinion, man. And your opinion only means anything if you happen to be a Supreme Court Justice. Seems daft to me that a supposed democracy gives so much power to the opinions of a tiny group of individiuals, but that's the system you have.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm confused, if you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Why are so many people hell bent on being idiots?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yes they have and with 6-3 conservative court, they might decide to overturn their previous ruling.

Which was what?

 

[shortylickens]

Which was what?

You seriously dont know?

Roe v. Wade - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ch33zw1z]

You seriously dont know?

Roe v. Wade - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

edit: I wasn't really sure how to respond to you. Here it is tho, yes....in my adult life I took some time to review what happened, and agree overall with the SCOTUS ruling. In my upbringing, roe vs wade was only discussed in the context of judicial activism (if discussed at all) and how women's rights was a nasty thing. I was more curious what that particular poster I quoted had to say.

 

[shortylickens]

Also:

Whole Woman's Health v. Hellerstedt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Viper1j]

Arkansas governor signs near-total abortion ban into law

The bill only allows the procedure to save the life of the mother and does not provide exceptions for those impregnated by rape or incest.

www.cbsnews.com

They break the law repeatedly hoping a new mix of justices MIGHT back them up whenever the case makes it to the supreme court.
I'm of the opinion bills like that should be automatically voided until after they get it thru the supreme court.

Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Its a federal RIGHT. You can't take it away on a state by state basis.

Considering the states that border Arkansas, road trips will be a problem.

 

[Zorba]

Arkansas governor signs near-total abortion ban into law

The bill only allows the procedure to save the life of the mother and does not provide exceptions for those impregnated by rape or incest.

www.cbsnews.com

They break the law repeatedly hoping a new mix of justices MIGHT back them up whenever the case makes it to the supreme court.
I'm of the opinion bills like that should be automatically voided until after they get it thru the supreme court.

Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Its a federal RIGHT. You can't take it away on a state by state basis.

There should be real consequences for knowingly passing illegal legislation.

Also more proof Republicans love activist judges, but only when they rule on their side.

 

[cytg111]

Arkansas governor signs near-total abortion ban into law

The bill only allows the procedure to save the life of the mother and does not provide exceptions for those impregnated by rape or incest.

www.cbsnews.com

They break the law repeatedly hoping a new mix of justices MIGHT back them up whenever the case makes it to the supreme court.
I'm of the opinion bills like that should be automatically voided until after they get it thru the supreme court.

Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Its a federal RIGHT. You can't take it away on a state by state basis.

I mean ... If I were women there, Id just stop fucking. Full stop. Or demand that their men be fixed - AND have a 'fixed' certificate ready for inspection.
I mean, for the most part the snip can be reversed right? For the most part?

 

[HomerJS]

Another piece of evidence the country does not favor ANY Republican policies.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Texas legislator introduces bill to charge women with death penalty if they have an abortion. The law also calls on the state Attorney General to enforce the law no matter what federal laws or court rulings say.

Another Texas GOP lawmaker is attempting to make abortion punishable by the death penalty

Similar bills filed in the Texas Legislature in previous years have failed.

www.texastribune.org

Pro life, my ass

 

[HomerJS]

If a pregnant woman spontaneously aborts will God be sued?

 

[Ajay]

And you know damn well no anti choice supporter supports helping the woman or the baby in any such way.

Bullshit. My wife and I are pro-life and have put our money to help women in bad situations so they can keep their babies.
I also think we should have a gov't program to help in the same situation. Who cares what duplicitous conservatives do anyways.

If a pregnant woman spontaneously aborts will God be sued?

Someday, in my dreams, people will stop asking this idiotic question.

 

[Sunburn74]

Texas legislator introduces bill to charge women with death penalty if they have an abortion. The law also calls on the state Attorney General to enforce the law no matter what federal laws or court rulings say.

Another Texas GOP lawmaker is attempting to make abortion punishable by the death penalty

Similar bills filed in the Texas Legislature in previous years have failed.

www.texastribune.org

Pro life, my ass

How vicious are these individuals? Good lord.

 

[dank69]

Bullshit. My wife and I are pro-life and have put our money to help women in bad situations so they can keep their babies.
I also think we should have a gov't program to help in the same situation. Who cares what duplicitous conservatives do anyways.



Someday, in my dreams, people will stop asking this idiotic question.

Someday, in my dreams, people will stop pretending to believe an embryo is as sacred as a person.

 

[ivwshane]

Bullshit. My wife and I are pro-life and have put our money to help women in bad situations so they can keep their babies.
I also think we should have a gov't program to help in the same situation. Who cares what duplicitous conservatives do anyways.



Someday, in my dreams, people will stop asking this idiotic question.

Well shit! I suggest you stop wasting time on a political forum and get out there to help the millions of women in need. Or do you think your token measures address the overall point being made? Here’s a hint: it doesn’t and there isn’t enough people like you to fully address the problem. So what politicians have you supported that have tried to address the issue legislatively speaking?

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm confused, if you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Why are so many people hell bent on being idiots?

Because it is a question of murder. It's not what you do to or for yourself. It is for the child involved in that decision.

 

[Ajay]

Someday, in my dreams, people will stop pretending to believe an embryo is as sacred as a person.

There's a difference between wanting people to stop asking questions with no answer vs asking someone to change their belief system.

 

[dank69]

There's a difference between wanting people to stop asking questions with no answer vs asking someone to change their belief system.

The key word is "pretending."