In an America with strict gun control....

[MongGrel]

No, dumbass, I got your sarcasm and I explained why the war on drugs was doomed to fail.

Apparently you didn't, as I wasn't speaking of myself.

 

[ivwshane]

So, it's your position that we have evolved beyond the need to defend ourselves as individuals? Or is our government so trustworthy and beyond reproach that we shouldn't do anything but submit to the collective? I've served this country and I love it with all my heart, but I recognize that power needs a check. This is a check whether you choose to believe it or not. /Facepalm

Do you even know how our government works?

 

[Ertaz]

Do you even know how our government works?

No. No clue. Please elaborate on why an individual should not be entitled to self defense in a representative democracy.

 

[ivwshane]

Apparently you didn't, as I wasn't speaking of myself.

Oh, well that changes...nothing.

 

[ivwshane]

No. No clue. Please elaborate on why an individual should not be entitled to self defense in a representative democracy.

Try rephrasing without the straw man.

 

[MongGrel]

Oh, well that changes...nothing.

I can just grin and watch at this point I guess.

 

[MagickMan]

This is a deeply psychotic mindset. I hope someone can show you how totally batshit insane you sound.

Seriously, what is wrong with people who say things like this.

*shrug* I don't care what you think, I'm just explaining what will happen if the gov't tries to disarm us. I'll defend such rights, even if that means killing or dying, and there are millions of other people who feel the same way. If that makes you uncomfortable, then there are plenty of other countries that are more inline with your perspective. Maybe try Canada? :\

 

[ivwshane]

*shrug* I don't care what you think, I'm just explaining what will happen if the gov't tries to disarm us. I'll defend such rights, even if that means killing or dying, and there are millions of other people who feel the same way. If that makes you uncomfortable, then there are plenty of other countries that are more inline with your perspective. Maybe try Canada? :\

Wow a real American patriot over here! He's willing to kill other Americans if they voted en mass to take away his guns!

Maybe it's you who needs to go to another country. I here Iraq has a pretty lax government and heard they are all about their guns, religion, and killing people who don't agree with them.

 

[MagickMan]

Wow a real American patriot over here! He's willing to kill other Americans if they voted en mass to take away his guns!

Maybe it's you who needs to go to another country. I here Iraq has a pretty lax government and heard they are all about their guns, religion, and killing people who don't agree with them.

You think an amendment would pass to strip my right to own guns? That's hilarious. :awe: Keep dreaming, sport.

 

[Roflmouth]

It's too bad because we're only one hysterical gun control law away from the total elimination of gun violence.

 

[ivwshane]

You think an amendment would pass to strip my right to own guns? That's hilarious. :awe: Keep dreaming, sport.

Do you have any clue what this thread is about? We are assuming such an amendment were to be passed.

 

[MongGrel]

Do you have any clue what this thread is about? We are assuming such an amendment were to be passed.

You're really in fantasy land then I guess.

 

[ivwshane]

You're really in fantasy land then I guess.

Yeah, that's kinda what this whole thread is about.

 

[sportage]

 

[sportage]

 

[fskimospy]

So, it's your position that we have evolved beyond the need to defend ourselves as individuals? Or is our government so trustworthy and beyond reproach that we shouldn't do anything but submit to the collective?

Nice try at a straw man.

I've served this country and I love it with all my heart, but I recognize that power needs a check. This is a check whether you choose to believe it or not. /Facepalm

I've served our country too. You aren't special for having done so and it does nothing to bolster your argument. (Or mine)

Guess what, the first amendment has frequently been unfairly and in my opinion unconstitutionally limited in the history of America and the people most likely to be armed have often not only failed to be a check, but have actively participated. It's not guns that keep our right to speak safe, it's our institutions.

 

[glenn1]

Wow a real American patriot over here! He's willing to kill other Americans if they voted en mass to take away his guns!

Maybe it's you who needs to go to another country. I here Iraq has a pretty lax government and heard they are all about their guns, religion, and killing people who don't agree with them.

Let's play out your wet dream. How exactly would the imagined supermajority of Americans voting to abolish guns impose their will on those who own the guns? You guys won't have guns so you can't really do much to take them away from those who do; would you honestly send in the police and military to disarm gun owners by force? And if so, how many of those police and military would obey such an order?

 

[fskimospy]

Let's play out your wet dream. How exactly would the imagined supermajority of Americans voting to abolish guns impose their will on those who own the guns? You guys won't have guns so you can't really do much to take them away from those who do; would you honestly send in the police and military to disarm gun owners by force? And if so, how many of those police and military would obey such an order?

Apply this brilliant line of thinking to literally any law that non-gun owners support that gun owners do not. My guess is that gun owners disproportionately dislike the Affordable Care Act for instance. How did non-gun owners enforce that law? Somehow they were able to impose their will on those who own the guns.

I know, it's magical.

 

[Herr Kutz]

Dear libs, feel free to move to North Korea if you are unhappy with the freedom to own guns enjoyed here in America.

 

[glenn1]

Apply this brilliant line of thinking to literally any law that non-gun owners support that gun owners do not. My guess is that gun owners disproportionately dislike the Affordable Care Act for instance. How did non-gun owners enforce that law? Somehow they were able to impose their will on those who own the guns.

I know, it's magical.

Then why is the constant argument against abortion that "women will just revert to back alley abortions with coat hangers" then? Or why did Prohibition fail? The idea of disarming gun owners is just the same kind of stupid power trip fantasy. Only you should be a bit more nervous about doing so monumentally stupid as unlike pregnant women, most gun owners have the means and mindset to resist.

 

[fskimospy]

Then why is the constant argument against abortion that "women will just revert to back alley abortions with coat hangers" then? Or why did Prohibition fail? The idea of disarming gun owners is just the same kind of stupid power trip fantasy. Only you should be a bit more nervous about doing so monumentally stupid as unlike pregnant women, most gun owners have the means and mindset to resist.

Wait, so now your argument has shifted from 'gun owners will battle the police and military' to 'sometimes people don't follow laws'? Baffling.

Prohibition and anti-abortion laws are bad ideas because they have been statistically shown to cause more harm than good. I'm unaware of any research from an objective source that shows the same for gun ownership. In fact, all evidence I am aware of shows the opposite. Generally, owning a gun makes you less safe, which makes all the people who buy guns for safety reasons pretty foolish, no?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

LMAO!!!

Hilarious thread is hilarious

 

[glenn1]

Wait, so now your argument has shifted from 'gun owners will battle the police and military' to 'sometimes people don't follow laws'? Baffling.

Prohibition and anti-abortion laws are bad ideas because they have been statistically shown to cause more harm than good. I'm unaware of any research from an objective source that shows the same for gun ownership. In fact, all evidence I am aware of shows the opposite. Generally, owning a gun makes you less safe, which makes all the people who buy guns for safety reasons pretty foolish, no?

It's not shifting, I'm saying all the above. People wouldn't obey the law, they would battle police and military, and the police and military would likely refuse to enforce the law en masse. I spent a dozen years in the military and I can say without hesitation that I would not have obeyed such an order, nor would I think anyone I served with.

 

[fskimospy]

It's not shifting, I'm saying all the above. People wouldn't obey the law, they would battle police and military, and the police and military would likely refuse to enforce the law en masse.

I sincerely doubt any of those things would happen. Like, a single one. While I'm sure there would be a few nutters here or there this is mostly the realm of paranoid right wing fantasy. You realize most gun owners aren't crazy like that, right?

I spent a dozen years in the military and I can say without hesitation that I would not have obeyed such an order, nor would I think anyone I served with.

I spent seven years in the military, and millions and millions of other Americans have as well. It is not interesting or special, and it lends no weight to your argument. Using the military for law enforcement is generally not legal in the US, so of course they wouldn't obey it as it wouldn't be a lawful order. That order also wouldn't be given. You don't need any experience in the military to know that.

 

[glenn1]

I sincerely doubt any of those things would happen. Like, a single one. While I'm sure there would be a few nutters here or there this is mostly the realm of paranoid right wing fantasy. You realize most gun owners aren't crazy like that, right?



I spent seven years in the military, and millions and millions of other Americans have as well. It is not interesting or special, and it lends no weight to your argument. Using the military for law enforcement is generally not legal in the US, so of course they wouldn't obey it as it wouldn't be a lawful order. That order also wouldn't be given. You don't need any experience in the military to know that.

If you could muster the majority for abolition of guns then removing posse comitatus at the same time would be cake. I have no doubt that if you were to force disarmament on the country that you'd have no problem with using violence force to impose it, including the military. If not I would be curious why you would hesitate since otherwise they people who refused would be "enemies domestic" almost by definition.