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In a war, who would win
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I am not a big fan of Britain after they have caused so much misery and pain around the world.
I can't think of any country that has caused as much suffering as Britain.
England's military force is bigger, but Israel has better training and is probably more efficient. Israel will have a lot of surprise moves, sneak attacks. Britain will have the numbers and more options to play with. Israel has the patriot missiles, their own subs. Tank vs tank I would think England has the advantage with the Challenger 2, because of the gun.
In a street fight, the advantage may go to the Merkava due to better maneuverability, since one of its strengths is street warfare. Israel might be better at street warfare.
As for who would win, what do you describe winning as?
I can't think of any country that has caused as much suffering as Britain.
England's military force is bigger, but Israel has better training and is probably more efficient. Israel will have a lot of surprise moves, sneak attacks. Britain will have the numbers and more options to play with. Israel has the patriot missiles, their own subs. Tank vs tank I would think England has the advantage with the Challenger 2, because of the gun.
In a street fight, the advantage may go to the Merkava due to better maneuverability, since one of its strengths is street warfare. Israel might be better at street warfare.
As for who would win, what do you describe winning as?
ThePresence
Elite Member
Israeli subs are hardly a threat to Britain. They only have a few modern German subs.
And the Patriot missle is completely outdated. They have developed the arrow missile, along with the Green Pine radar system, which may be the most advanced radar system in the world.
thereaderrabbit
Senior member
Thanks again for your retarded thread.
Did you run out of army men to play with or did you brother throw you out of the sand box?
Did you know not all Jews are Israelis?
0roo0roo
No Lifer
to be fair the euros did break that region to begin with. so their anti war feelings are rather irresponsible in reality. they are the ones that have some obligation to fix the area but they like to sit on their high horse while expending as little actual effort as they possibly can. the status quo was certainly not good. the fact that bush bungled it and or that its much worse because they withehld their support and gave moral support to insurgents and other trouble causing groups isn't really something to be proud of when some iraqis did want their freedom. did they not deserve help? so really, the term "tool" applies to most everyone involved.
IAteYourMother
Lifer
sorry, your overwhelming maturity has caused me to reevaluate my views on semantics and I've realized I don't really care
ThePresence
Elite Member
I don't have to look at Jane's... I served in the Israeli military myself and have lived there for quite a few years.
g8wayrebel
Senior member
I can't see how it is even a question. The only thing keeping Isreal in existence now is US and other allies. If the US was to allow it , Isreal would be gone.
The UK is definitely a Nuclear Power!
The UK is definitely a Nuclear Power!
Bobthelost
Diamond Member
First of all, this is a very silly thread:
My cousin is bigger than your cousin!
The Israli armed forces are far from inexperienced, as are the british armed forces. Britain is no longer set up to fight on it's own. The military is being restructured to fight with the US (note the with, to paraphrase an old joke : "When the british bombers fly we duck, when the germans fly the british duck, when the americans fly, everyone ducks, here endeth the septic mockery 😉 ). In short it'd be a bloodbath, fighting a well trained, well equipped and well motivated force in an urban setting is a nightmare. It's been a while since i checked my notes but the estimate is that you suffer 70% casualties, assuming you win.
Tanks can be destroyed with IEDs, if you know how, a platoon can fortify a group of buildings to the point where it needs a battalion to dig them out, and in real terms all you can do is level the area with artillery then shoot the survivors.
As to their kit, the Challenger 2 is as close to perfect tank as exists, while the M1A2 is also a kickarse vehicle i damn well know which one i'd like to be in.
My cousin is bigger than your cousin!
The Israli armed forces are far from inexperienced, as are the british armed forces. Britain is no longer set up to fight on it's own. The military is being restructured to fight with the US (note the with, to paraphrase an old joke : "When the british bombers fly we duck, when the germans fly the british duck, when the americans fly, everyone ducks, here endeth the septic mockery 😉 ). In short it'd be a bloodbath, fighting a well trained, well equipped and well motivated force in an urban setting is a nightmare. It's been a while since i checked my notes but the estimate is that you suffer 70% casualties, assuming you win.
Tanks can be destroyed with IEDs, if you know how, a platoon can fortify a group of buildings to the point where it needs a battalion to dig them out, and in real terms all you can do is level the area with artillery then shoot the survivors.
As to their kit, the Challenger 2 is as close to perfect tank as exists, while the M1A2 is also a kickarse vehicle i damn well know which one i'd like to be in.
lozina
Lifer
OK this is a silly question.
Israel has a very capable military and has arguable some of the best trained soldiers and pilots in the world. They also have a military tradition in their country which is comparable to Sparta. But as was said Israel does not have the resources to sustain a long war, and they lack the ability to project their power to a location as remote as Britain. While Britain's combat power may be considered low right now Britain has no need to be militarized, while Israel does. Israel is practically in a constant state of war, so they are highly militarized and their current combat power is very high. However as soon as war broke out the British could begin to mobilize on a massive scale, and they can sit back and build up, biding their time while Israel with it's rapidly mobilized army would have nothing to do but wait for an attack. Britain would patrol the Mediterranean and Red Sea destroying any Israeli ships preventing Israel from excerisizng it's main advantage which is that it can be rapidly deployed - ready to fight on amazingly short notice. And while Israel has some amazing pilots Britain has the numbers. The sheer numbers of RAF will overwhelm the Israeli aces, it's not like RAF will send pilots one at a time to fight Israeli pilots one at a time. For several months Britain would be laying back doing limited bombing runs and naval bombardments working towards gaining air superiorty all while Israel becomes drained trying to support their military on the scale that they would have to. It would'nt be very easy but Britain would definitely win.
Of course if nukes are thrown in it's MAD for sure.
Israel has a very capable military and has arguable some of the best trained soldiers and pilots in the world. They also have a military tradition in their country which is comparable to Sparta. But as was said Israel does not have the resources to sustain a long war, and they lack the ability to project their power to a location as remote as Britain. While Britain's combat power may be considered low right now Britain has no need to be militarized, while Israel does. Israel is practically in a constant state of war, so they are highly militarized and their current combat power is very high. However as soon as war broke out the British could begin to mobilize on a massive scale, and they can sit back and build up, biding their time while Israel with it's rapidly mobilized army would have nothing to do but wait for an attack. Britain would patrol the Mediterranean and Red Sea destroying any Israeli ships preventing Israel from excerisizng it's main advantage which is that it can be rapidly deployed - ready to fight on amazingly short notice. And while Israel has some amazing pilots Britain has the numbers. The sheer numbers of RAF will overwhelm the Israeli aces, it's not like RAF will send pilots one at a time to fight Israeli pilots one at a time. For several months Britain would be laying back doing limited bombing runs and naval bombardments working towards gaining air superiorty all while Israel becomes drained trying to support their military on the scale that they would have to. It would'nt be very easy but Britain would definitely win.
Of course if nukes are thrown in it's MAD for sure.
thereaderrabbit
Senior member
I wasn?t expecting you to be moved. I was hoping to get your attention.
As I said before, Jewish (Jew) is not the same as Israeli. If Britain went after the ?Jewish? shouldn?t everyone in NYC beware?
When you don?t understand how to use the terminology correctly I don?t expect you to be intelligent. Your comments on bringing my maturity into things do not strengthen your argument.
Your situation is not plausible and nothing of value is to be gleaned from it. There are so many other tense situations just waiting to boil over and you picked this? Why?
Because you?re the same fellow who doesn?t understand the difference between Jews and Israelis.
BTW- Many years ago I counted myself as lucky to have a neighbor who owned the army men and sandbox.
ThePresence
Elite Member
The Merkava 2 is not exactly chopped liver either. 😉
Everbody's entitled to their opinion. It is my opinion that there is a reason "Jew" was used instead of "Israeli". I do not buy that the OP is ignorant of the word "Israeli", therefore I have to wonder why the OP deliberately used an innacurate word when laying out his poll ?
A war between Britain and Israel, would not be a war between Britains and Jews, it's completely inaccurate. There would be Jews, and Christians, and Atheists for that matter, on both sides.
And we don't live in a vacuum, I'm not willing to pretend that expressions of ill feelings towards people, no matter how slight, are acceptable, to me.
IAteYourMother
Lifer
I already addressed the Jew/israeli issue earlier in the thread if you care to look
IAteYourMother
Lifer
IAteYourMother
Lifer
in other words, I meant Israelis, but I don't think it really matters... I'm not exactly an anti-semitic/anti-israeli person if that's what you're getting at.
ThePresence
Elite Member
So is Israel.
If the US would allow it, who exactly would be taking over Israel (this hypotherical scenario aside) ?
Offcourse we would win. Before the pathetic brits are up for their morning tea it'll be all over for them.
It's true that our army isn't built for conflicts of such long distance, and yes, our navy is much smaller than the brits navy, and the brits have a lot more resources etc.
All that does not change the fact that our army is "built for the kill". We don't mess around, the brits are too big and too heavy, before they could strike us they would be busy licking their own wounds.
I'm not bragging, I'm just realistic. Now you can continue whine your idiocies about how big and resourcefull is britain etc. But the bottom line is the same.
But the best suggestion for everyone I guess, is don't fvck with us, and you'll be ok.
It's true that our army isn't built for conflicts of such long distance, and yes, our navy is much smaller than the brits navy, and the brits have a lot more resources etc.
All that does not change the fact that our army is "built for the kill". We don't mess around, the brits are too big and too heavy, before they could strike us they would be busy licking their own wounds.
I'm not bragging, I'm just realistic. Now you can continue whine your idiocies about how big and resourcefull is britain etc. But the bottom line is the same.
But the best suggestion for everyone I guess, is don't fvck with us, and you'll be ok.
judasmachine
Diamond Member
I don't know but it's one I'd like to see.
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