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In a war, who would win: China vs. Russia. No nuclear weapons

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Who would win, Russia vs. China

  • Russia

  • China

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China wins because of people and money. 😛

Though China would really just hack russia's military to death, or shoot down their satellites. No satellites makes guiding stuff much harder.
 
They would both lose.
Both would sacrifice many millions of lives. Afterwards, one would conquer the other, but, all sorts of internal splintering would occour and both countries would be no more.
 
Neither country has the logistical ability to conquer the other. Any war between them would be a limited conflicted over border areas.
 
Each country would lose millions of lives, sure, but even after that China's military would probably still be bigger than ours.
 
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?175769-Defending-Mother-Russia

BTW, China's naval power is a lot better than before. Their new Shang? class subs have been tailing US carrier groups for a while now. They're going a lot more daring than before. I say these subs can at least match the Los Angeles class subs. A lot of talk about China is usually on their 90s military, and a lot of people still think China is just filled with bicycles. The truth is there's plenty of cars (too many in fact) out on the streets along with a bunch of bicycles.

Shanghai's cityscape was changing by the months. When I first went in 2000 versus when I went back in 2005 it was already very different. China's been evolving quite rapidly.

Russian air power hasn't changed much in the past decade. They always talk about new fighters here and there but none are mass produced and there has been insufficient training too. I wouldn't say they've gotten that much better.....
 
DLeRium said:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?175769-Defending-Mother-Russia

BTW, China's naval power is a lot better than before. Their new Shang? class subs have been tailing US carrier groups for a while now. They're going a lot more daring than before. I say these subs can at least match the Los Angeles class subs. A lot of talk about China is usually on their 90s military, and a lot of people still think China is just filled with bicycles. The truth is there's plenty of cars (too many in fact) out on the streets along with a bunch of bicycles.

Shanghai's cityscape was changing by the months. When I first went in 2000 versus when I went back in 2005 it was already very different. China's been evolving quite rapidly.

Russian air power hasn't changed much in the past decade. They always talk about new fighters here and there but none are mass produced and there has been insufficient training too. I wouldn't say they've gotten that much better.....
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Holy shit, that guy has WAY too much time on his hands.

That being said, I'd like to see something like that for China.
 
The US/Western Europe wins.

They are evenly enough matched (provided one isn't plotting the assault years in advance) that they would destroy each other.

The US/Western Europe steps in after the action to clean up the pieces, and the US is the superpower again.
 
I'd go with China, the two have similar technological levels (Russian gear versus Russian gear plus a mix of reverse engineered/bought western craft) and China has way more people. Russia's army is also often said to be undersupplied and trained, and China is by most accounts a top economic world power, Russia is probably second world or one of the lower first world countries.
Russia may still have a better navy, but China probably has enough aircraft to sink it if it goes on offense, and likely could manage a land invasion of Russia.

This is normally questionable when people ask who would between the US and China, is Russia still considered a serious military competitor to the US? Some of their equipment is good, but they're horrible at getting it out into the field.
 
I think China can win this outright. Russia didnt exactly perform well in their invasion of Georgia. And China has a stronger economy with a much deeper manpool.

I think we will find out within 2 decades. China is eying Siberia and the resource rich eastern provinces of Russia.
 
Fox5 said:
I'd go with China, the two have similar technological levels (Russian gear versus Russian gear plus a mix of reverse engineered/bought western craft) and China has way more people. Russia's army is also often said to be undersupplied and trained, and China is by most accounts a top economic world power, Russia is probably second world or one of the lower first world countries.
Russia may still have a better navy, but China probably has enough aircraft to sink it if it goes on offense, and likely could manage a land invasion of Russia.

This is normally questionable when people ask who would between the US and China, is Russia still considered a serious military competitor to the US? Some of their equipment is good, but they're horrible at getting it out into the field.
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no, even if russia can't afford it, russias air and space are far ahead of china, chinas still catching up. russia had soviet missile subs, space stations and advanced jet fighters, chinas sitll trying to copy all that shit
 
That's a tough one. I'd go with Russia...I think they still have an arms advantage (even removing nuclear weapons). I'm completely guessing there.
 
I'd go with Russia given they'd have a leg up from advanced weaponry development from the cold war arms race and a more battle hardened force from various recent conflicts. That's my I'm no expert analysis.
A more interesting question tho is which side would America take if those two decide to go at it.
 
You can't exclude other countries from this as anything this big would be world war three. So, whatever one the US helps.

Europe might be forced to help Russia since Moscow and Gazprom have them by the balls.

China hacked our Gibson so they might know what alien shit we have and may lend to Russia.
 
Assuming a state of Total War, yet without the use of weapons of mass destruction.

Naval forces will be a moot issue, neither country can effectively reach the other with carriers or battleships, and submarines are a nuclear option and therefore ruled out of this scenario.

The difficulty of moving troops between those countries will make any land-based action a laboriously slow affair.

Invariably the war will come down to a struggle for air superiority. Their aircraft technology and numbers are quite similar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_air_force#Aircraft_Inventory

Once one side has gained air superiority, they'll be able to move men across the border without them being bombed into oblivion. However I think "occupation" of either country would be impossible given their cultures. The only outcomes would be extermination or withdrawal.
 
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I don't care what artillery you have. One point something BILLION of these coming at you... you're screwed.
 
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