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in a camera what is the diffrence between a ccd and a cmos?

Originally posted by: GrammatonJP
Most point and shoot uses CCD... Higher end SLR uses CMOS.. though i seen some high end use CCD
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Not really. Really low end cameras use CMOS too.
Highest end cameras, such as the 39MP Hasseblad is CCD, and so is most other MF cameras. Only Canon's high end DSLRs use CMOS. Hardly all high end SLR's use CMOS.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: GrammatonJP
Most point and shoot uses CCD... Higher end SLR uses CMOS.. though i seen some high end use CCD
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Not really. Really low end cameras use CMOS too.
Highest end cameras, such as the 39MP Hasseblad is CCD, and so is most other MF cameras. Only Canon's high end DSLRs use CMOS. Hardly all high end SLR's use CMOS.
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A 300D+ and up the range use CMOS. 300D I wouldn't call high end 😛. The 30D isn't high end also imo, they are beginner DSLRs but that doesn't mean they are crap. They are very decent :thumbsup:

You practically have only 2 DSLR companies that do high end stuff, Canon and Nikon. Olympus and Konica don't really make high end stuff. They do decent lower end/ mid (comparatively) DSLRs though. The other DSLR compaies aren't that mainstream or they borrow parts off each other like that Kodak one that uses either the Nikon or Canon mount, but with the Sony CCD I think.

CCD from the images and samples I have seen show more noise at higher iso's then CMOS. In studio lights and good light the difference is near enough nothing so the MF cameras can use CCD and it looks great. I wonder how they'd perform in lower light conditions? Bigger photosites makes a huge difference though.

Oh yeah low end budget webcams also use CMOS 😛

Koing
 
Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: GrammatonJP
Most point and shoot uses CCD... Higher end SLR uses CMOS.. though i seen some high end use CCD
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Not really. Really low end cameras use CMOS too.
Highest end cameras, such as the 39MP Hasseblad is CCD, and so is most other MF cameras. Only Canon's high end DSLRs use CMOS. Hardly all high end SLR's use CMOS.
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A 300D+ and up the range use CMOS. 300D I wouldn't call high end 😛. The 30D isn't high end also imo, they are beginner DSLRs but that doesn't mean they are crap. They are very decent :thumbsup:

You practically have only 2 DSLR companies that do high end stuff, Canon and Nikon. Olympus and Konica don't really make high end stuff. They do decent lower end/ mid (comparatively) DSLRs though. The other DSLR compaies aren't that mainstream or they borrow parts off each other like that Kodak one that uses either the Nikon or Canon mount, but with the Sony CCD I think.

CCD from the images and samples I have seen show more noise at higher iso's then CMOS. In studio lights and good light the difference is near enough nothing so the MF cameras can use CCD and it looks great. I wonder how they'd perform in lower light conditions? Bigger photosites makes a huge difference though.

Oh yeah low end budget webcams also use CMOS 😛

Koing
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You must've bought into the canon CMOS marketing hype if you think that cmos has lower ISO noise than CCD.
Guess what the highest end chips for astroimaging is... CCD. Astroimaging CCD chips are far more sensitive than both Canon/Nikon's cameras, and have far less noise.
There are more than just Canon/Nikon that does high end. Leica, Zeiss(or hasseblad), and Mamiya(recently went belly-up), does the true high end. Pentax is getting into high end now with their near release of an MF DSLR.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
You must've bought into the canon CMOS marketing hype if you think that cmos has lower ISO noise than CCD.
Guess what the highest end chips for astroimaging is... CCD. Astroimaging CCD chips are far more sensitive than both Canon/Nikon's cameras, and have far less noise.
There are more than just Canon/Nikon that does high end. Leica, Zeiss(or hasseblad), and Mamiya(recently went belly-up), does the true high end. Pentax is getting into high end now with their near release of an MF DSLR.
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Leica, Zeiss(or hasseblad), and Mamiya(recently went belly-up), does the true high end. Yes but they aren't mainstream. My friend has quite a lot of Leica lenses and they cost an arm and a leg and the other arm! He swears by them and is disappointed with the viewfinders in most of the DSLRs. He also shoots some MF Mamiya stuff.

The highest end chips may be CCD but who can afford that?

At the same price points (give or take 20%, I could handle paying more) Nikon Vs Canon I prefer the Canon images but prefer the Nikon build and layout. I'd be gutted if I went with Nikon knowing the images of the Canon but dislike their cheaper build quality (relatively) compared to Nikons. BUT would I get the photo if I didn't find the Canon layout so instinctive? 😛. So many ways to think about it...

I'd have to print really high res to see the differences or crop and blow the images up a lot to notice also. So it is nearly a moot point.

If I prefered the Nikons images I'd definately go that way as I prefer their build and layouts already. The marketing speil doesn't work on me. If I like it I'll go for it.

I don't have a DSLR as I'm waiting and I'm in no rush though.

Koing
 
Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
You must've bought into the canon CMOS marketing hype if you think that cmos has lower ISO noise than CCD.
Guess what the highest end chips for astroimaging is... CCD. Astroimaging CCD chips are far more sensitive than both Canon/Nikon's cameras, and have far less noise.
There are more than just Canon/Nikon that does high end. Leica, Zeiss(or hasseblad), and Mamiya(recently went belly-up), does the true high end. Pentax is getting into high end now with their near release of an MF DSLR.
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Leica, Zeiss(or hasseblad), and Mamiya(recently went belly-up), does the true high end. Yes but they aren't mainstream. My friend has quite a lot of Leica lenses and they cost an arm and a leg and the other arm! He swears by them and is disappointed with the viewfinders in most of the DSLRs. He also shoots some MF Mamiya stuff.

The highest end chips may be CCD but who can afford that?

At the same price points (give or take 20%, I could handle paying more) Nikon Vs Canon I prefer the Canon images but prefer the Nikon build and layout. I'd be gutted if I went with Nikon knowing the images of the Canon but dislike their cheaper build quality (relatively) compared to Nikons. BUT would I get the photo if I didn't find the Canon layout so instinctive? 😛. So many ways to think about it...

I'd have to print really high res to see the differences or crop and blow the images up a lot to notice also. So it is nearly a moot point.

If I prefered the Nikons images I'd definately go that way as I prefer their build and layouts already. The marketing speil doesn't work on me. If I like it I'll go for it.

I don't have a DSLR as I'm waiting and I'm in no rush though.

Koing
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Yeah Canon/Nikon has definitely skimped and their viewfinders majorly. Olympus' viewfinders are tiny also since they're on the 4/3rd system.
But Pentax viewfinders > * 🙂
Anyways, I'm just making my point that CMOS isn't "higher end" than CCD, which my claims are also supported by the links tfinch provided.
 
Originally posted by: alfa147x
so should i go canon rebel xt OR nikon d50 ?
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You won't find the answer on ATOT. Read some reviews and check out each camera yourself. It depends upon what type of photography you want to do (sports, snapshots, landscape, low-light, b&w, etc.). You also need to ask how important image quality is and how you define yourself - particularly resolution, noise, and dynamic range.
 
since you are building your slr life, either one will do. I have the 20D myself. If the xt or d50 came out sooner I would have the same trouble as you.

Go out and try both. Get which ever you feel suits you best.
 
Originally posted by: alfa147x
i was looking for a WELL know brand... im sorry but iv havnt heard pentax 😉
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Well I have absolutely zero knowledge to contribute to this thread, but oftentimes the most "well known" brands got that way by good marketing, not necessarily having the best product.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: alfa147x
i was looking for a WELL know brand... im sorry but iv havnt heard pentax 😉
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Pentax only invented the SLR as we know it today... 😉
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Well it was Minolta (before the merger with Konica) that invented the DSLR, so throw the Dynax 7D in there as well.
 
Originally posted by: Itchrelief
Originally posted by: alfa147x
i was looking for a WELL know brand... im sorry but iv havnt heard pentax 😉
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Well I have absolutely zero knowledge to contribute to this thread, but oftentimes the most "well known" brands got that way by good marketing, not necessarily having the best product.
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yup the rebel for them damn NFL ads... 😉
 
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