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Red Squirrel
No Lifer
We need taxes to subsidize stuff that people would in no way be able to afford, like health care... oh wait... ok, IN CANADA it subsidizes that. 
A world without taxes would be great but they're needed to ensure social programs and infrastructure can function. What I would like to see instead of no taxes, is governments that don't waste so much of our tax dollars and stop raising them every single year. With the amount of taxes we pay, everything should be perfect. The roads should be nice and not full of pot holes and sink holes, the health care system should have next to zero wait time, we should have a huge space program and ton's of other resources etc......... But instead they waste it on stupid stuff that could be done way cheaper and all the programs that taxes are suppose to be for STILL suffer due to lack of funds, despite the ridiculous amount of money that they get from every person combined. Companies know that governments will pay anything thus jack the prices of services and items for governments so it's a vicious cycle. For example any time you hear of a government figure travelling the cost is in the millions. An average Joe going to a vacation in that area would do it for thousands.
Another example is any construction project, a private company will get it done somewhat on schedule and maybe go a bit over budget by like 30%. A government construction project will take 10x longer than scheduled and like 10x the projected price, and then probably get cancelled near completion. What's done will be sold to a private company at a 10,000% loss. That's the kind of shit that has to stop, but that's never going to happen since it's easier to just keep raising the taxes instead.
I actually need to sit down some time and figure out the rate of the tax increase and general cost of living so I can figure out when the breaking point is. At some point I simply won't be making enough money and will need a secondary source of income. Though the house will probably be paid off before that.
A world without taxes would be great but they're needed to ensure social programs and infrastructure can function. What I would like to see instead of no taxes, is governments that don't waste so much of our tax dollars and stop raising them every single year. With the amount of taxes we pay, everything should be perfect. The roads should be nice and not full of pot holes and sink holes, the health care system should have next to zero wait time, we should have a huge space program and ton's of other resources etc......... But instead they waste it on stupid stuff that could be done way cheaper and all the programs that taxes are suppose to be for STILL suffer due to lack of funds, despite the ridiculous amount of money that they get from every person combined. Companies know that governments will pay anything thus jack the prices of services and items for governments so it's a vicious cycle. For example any time you hear of a government figure travelling the cost is in the millions. An average Joe going to a vacation in that area would do it for thousands. Another example is any construction project, a private company will get it done somewhat on schedule and maybe go a bit over budget by like 30%. A government construction project will take 10x longer than scheduled and like 10x the projected price, and then probably get cancelled near completion. What's done will be sold to a private company at a 10,000% loss. That's the kind of shit that has to stop, but that's never going to happen since it's easier to just keep raising the taxes instead.
I actually need to sit down some time and figure out the rate of the tax increase and general cost of living so I can figure out when the breaking point is. At some point I simply won't be making enough money and will need a secondary source of income. Though the house will probably be paid off before that.
SSSnail
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FelixDeCat
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SSSnail
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You can specify how much taxes to take out of bonuses.
Doesn't matter though, it's your effective tax rates that will count.
zinfamous
No Lifer
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could you imagine if one day you got your paystub and see every cent you earned as deposited into your bank accountD:
And I also worked in a factory polishing rocking horses, the kids worked in a salt mine, and half my family died of cholera by the age of 17. Plus, there was no Stevie Ray Vaughn yet.
what a shitty life.
Back in those days you have to go to an adult store to rent porn movies on tapes, or sitting in an adult theater with Paul Reubens, no thanks.
tortillasoup
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Dr. Zaus
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This is, of course, the point. A taxation across the board provides a total non-impact on the rationing power of money excepting in terms of the total capital expenditure worthy of investment for a given return.
No one tries to pay a penny over what they can get away with while obtaining the outcomes they desire. You don't take a penny under what you can earn after accounting for the quality of the job.
In the same world without taxes individuals would make the same income, as that is their bargaining power in the market, and corporations would have more money to spend and be more likely to spend it on employment as the return on investment on utilizing human capital would be better than it is today.
So if taxes were gone one would not obtain a tax-free income.
so taxes means higher wages, sweet what would my pay be if i was taxed at 75% maybe i could buy a brand new BMW 1200RT to replace my current one.
Actually, higher taxes would cause no change in your total income over a long-enough period of time for things to even out. It would, though, make you un-employed if you are a 'marginal' employee.
Personally, I had a negative 5% income tax this year... This had zero influence on my willingness to work or my bargaining power in the market: just like a positive income tax does. It did, though, transfer wealth to me for the last time... hopefully for the rest of my life.
Next year i'm looking at AMT forcing me to pay about 10% and 6.5% in medicare/SSI taxes.
but that in no way affects what I can bargain for when it comes to my labor. The only time it works differently is when you are making a minimum wage (either by law, or by union agreement).
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1prophet
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Jobs at those level of pay are usually acquired through networking and personal contacts, you just don't walk off the street and offer to do it for less and bump the guy making more.
Red Squirrel
No Lifer
Sure you do. Capitalism. Companies only care about one thing, and that's minimizing costs. Will shit hit the fan because they got rid of someone with experience and replaced with someone who has no clue, oh hell yes, but they don't care about that. Everyone will just have to figure out how to deliver the end product regardless, if not, someone is getting fired, and it's not the CEO.
umbrella39
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outhouse in this thread:
Really. I'm not sure what has happened to him but he is really living up to his name lately. RIP...
JSt0rm
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You guys love all or nothing don't you? Do you think the total miles of roadway in 2016 is more, less or equal to the total miles of roads in 1913?
Fanatical Meat
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- Feb 4, 2009
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Fanatical Meat
Lifer
- Feb 4, 2009
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could you imagine if one day you got your paystub and see every cent you earned as deposited into your bank accountD:
Good times! Of course, you lived in a company-owned shack, you worked 16 hour days 6 days a week in unsafe conditions and barely made enough to eat - but you kept it!
dank69
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Those are completely fictitious numbers. Plug any salary in there you like. It will work the same for any job where there is competition for that job.
jlee
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https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/history.cfm
lol stupid internet troll
I could make a far more comprehensive list of what taxes have paid (and currently pay) for, but that seems excessive.
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tortillasoup
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https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/history.cfm
lol stupid internet troll
I could make a far more comprehensive list of what taxes have paid (and currently pay) for, but that seems excessive.
shit, is that where half my paycheck goes? roads? Then what is the gas tax for then?
jlee
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tortillasoup
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Even if my income was 10%, we all know damn well that the money isn't going into roads. That is what gas tax are for.
JSt0rm
Lifer
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Thats for maintenance retard. someone just posted a link to a funding bill for roads via the federal gov. Do you not read? People in the past paid for things for us and we pay for things for those to come after. No wonder your party is shit, you all think like goldfish about the right now only.
The roads existed. Most of them were not all-weather improved roads that were passable all year.
Up until this time, some cash-poor southern states still allowed the use statutory labor to maintain roads. Yes, in some areas you either had to pay an ad valorem tax for roads. Otherwise, men would have to work on the road crew for a certain number or days, or pay a daily rate not to work.
Some examples:
https://books.google.com/books?id=P...ads&pg=RA4-PA34#v=onepage&q=statutory&f=false
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