In 15 minutes, Bush speaks....

[Tripleshot]

about the 12 missiles found in Iraq. It will be on MSNBC or CNN, I'm sure. From that, we can perhaps put to rest what the US gov't position on this is, as it pertains to be the smoking gun. I am curious as to how he percieves it.

I for one do not see at as the smoking gun, in any form. I make that call on what I think a judge in district court would accept as evidence in a criminal case.

 

[bleeb]

Nice.

 

[tcsenter]

No I do not believe that 11 empty and idle missile warhead casings rises to the level of a "smoking gun". The United States probably loses that many missile casings annually. It is not inconceivable nor even particularly implausible that may have been misplace, lost track of, forgotten, and were not known to exist, which could explain why they were not on the declaration.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
No I do not believe that 11 empty and idle missile warhead casings rises to the level of a "smoking gun". The United States probably loses that many missile casings annually. It is not inconceivable nor even particularly implausible that may have been misplace, lost track of, forgotten, and were not known to exist, which could explain why they were not on the declaration.

Yeah, let's give Iraq the benefit of the doubt here. I mean, when have they ever been known to deceive us?

 

[Tripleshot]

Now I'm hearing that Bush is visitng Walter Reed hospital. This will be a photo op to impress the public that Bush is a "caring, compasionete conservative" with an agenda. I do not think that helps his poll results. Too transperant.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: tcsenter
No I do not believe that 11 empty and idle missile warhead casings rises to the level of a "smoking gun". The United States probably loses that many missile casings annually. It is not inconceivable nor even particularly implausible that may have been misplace, lost track of, forgotten, and were not known to exist, which could explain why they were not on the declaration.

Yeah, let's give Iraq the benefit of the doubt here. I mean, when have they ever been known to deceive us?

Iraq being deceptive? No, not a chance.









< -- Bush's only speech should be what he scribbles on the first missle to get lobbed their way.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
No I do not believe that 11 empty and idle missile warhead casings rises to the level of a "smoking gun". The United States probably loses that many missile casings annually. It is not inconceivable nor even particularly implausible that may have been misplace, lost track of, forgotten, and were not known to exist, which could explain why they were not on the declaration.

Well my opinion is that they were told that they better not leave ANYTHING out of the report so they should have DAMN WELL made sure not to leave anything out. If they are "ready" for war as Iraq keeps saying then they should have used the military to locate every damn thing there was.

I do understand that it could have been lost or forgotten but it isn't like Iraq hasn't tried to deceive the world many times. They dug themselves in a hole too many times by lying so when they are truthful no one wants to believe.....

 

[cipher00]

Remember that the UN resolution calls for Iraq to prove that it doesn't have the weapons, not for the inspectors to prove that it does.

 

[tcsenter]

Well my opinion is that they were told that they better not leave ANYTHING out of the report so they should have DAMN WELL made sure not to leave anything out. If they are "ready" for war as Iraq keeps saying then they should have used the military to locate every damn thing there was.

I say keep searching, if we find something to go in to those warheads, or engines to send them somewhere, or even missile bodies, which were not declared, then we have a smoking gun. As I said, these are just empty casings, the US probably loses that many every year which just 'walk off on their own' (someone took them home as a souvenir).

 

[Rob9874]

I think it's pretty serious. I would need proof to believe that America misplaces empty warheads.

I think it's going to be hard to find a real smoking gun in Iraq. They wouldn't willingly let us come over to inspect, if they didn't think they could hide their weapons pretty well. It's like getting a mobster on tax evasion, because you'll never trace him to a murder. But you know full well he's responsible.

 

[Tab]

Has anyone payed close attetion to the inspectors? The building the warheads were found in was brand new, no more than a year old. The missiles that were there may have been dusty. But that doesn't mean the Iraq goverment forgot about them. They still shouldn't have them period. Shows the responsablity of the Iraq goverment... We will goto war reguardless if the inspectors find anything, but we will find stuff eventually.

 

[codeyf]

Uhhh....how do you "misplace" 11/12 WARHEADS?!?!?!?!?! It's not like you're missing the 7 of clubs from a deck of cards.......

 

[Queasy]

I think I heard on Fox News last night that the administration was more intrigued by the documents that were recovered than by the missles.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: codeyf
Uhhh....how do you "misplace" 11/12 WARHEADS?!?!?!?!?! It's not like you're missing the 7 of clubs from a deck of cards.......

It seems likely that these missiles were bought by Iraq in the 80's sometime. So figure 14+ years, 12 boxes(possibly unlabeled), perhaps part of a batch that had been used or perhaps deployed to be used or even just stored away somewhere and thought to be used, then add in the possibility that they have been moved around numerous times with a bunch more possibly unmarked boxes, perhaps they were to be used with a larger batch but someone grabbed some similar boxes and sent them by mistake in their place, yadda yadda ya = suddenly someone finds them. It would be easy to lose 12 friggin boxes, just ask UPS.

 

[Moonbeam]

I heard the Iraqwis say they included those in their report. I hear also that their 12 thousand pages have been heavily edited by the US.

What I don't get is why we are having such a tough time proving that Iraq has weapons of mass distruction. Don't we keep receipts?

 

[tcsenter]

I think it's pretty serious. I would need proof to believe that America misplaces empty warheads.

Warhead casings. Hell I could make something like that in my garage over the weekend.

And as for proof of things 'walking off' from US military inventory, all I can say is that you must have just fell off the turnip truck. I know people who have smuggled all kinds of things out of the service. In the office, you take pens and staplers. In the military, you take home souvenirs, too. Read the paper or watch the news, ocassionally you find reports of things 'gone missing' from inventories. Just walked off.

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

I think it's pretty serious. I would need proof to believe that America misplaces empty warheads.

Warhead casings. Hell I could make something like that in my garage over the weekend.

And as for proof of things 'walking off' from US military inventory, all I can say is that you must have just fell off the turnip truck. I know people who have smuggled all kinds of things out of the service. In the office, you take pens and staplers. In the military, you take home souvenirs, too. Read the paper or watch the news, ocassionally you find reports of things 'gone missing' from inventories. Just walked off.

/carresses his coveted stapler

 

[Rudee]

Are we at condition Taupe yet?

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What I don't get is why we are having such a tough time proving that Iraq has weapons of mass distruction. Don't we keep receipts?

Hehe, thats actually kind of funny.

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: Rob9874
I think it's pretty serious. I would need proof to believe that America misplaces empty warheads.

I think it's going to be hard to find a real smoking gun in Iraq. They wouldn't willingly let us come over to inspect, if they didn't think they could hide their weapons pretty well. It's like getting a mobster on tax evasion, because you'll never trace him to a murder. But you know full well he's responsible.

America Misplaces Empty Warheads. Hmmm.. I know a few Air Force Crew Chiefs with Empty Drop Tanks and 500lb and 1000lb bomb casings in thier yards.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate

Originally posted by: tcsenter

I think it's pretty serious. I would need proof to believe that America misplaces empty warheads.

Warhead casings. Hell I could make something like that in my garage over the weekend.

And as for proof of things 'walking off' from US military inventory, all I can say is that you must have just fell off the turnip truck. I know people who have smuggled all kinds of things out of the service. In the office, you take pens and staplers. In the military, you take home souvenirs, too. Read the paper or watch the news, ocassionally you find reports of things 'gone missing' from inventories. Just walked off.

/carresses his coveted stapler

Ahh yes, you won't be needing that. I'll just take that from ya. Yea, we need to move some boxes in here, so if you can just move your desk back a bit that would be great, ya.

 

[dugweb]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: tcsenter
No I do not believe that 11 empty and idle missile warhead casings rises to the level of a "smoking gun". The United States probably loses that many missile casings annually. It is not inconceivable nor even particularly implausible that may have been misplace, lost track of, forgotten, and were not known to exist, which could explain why they were not on the declaration.

Yeah, let's give Iraq the benefit of the doubt here. I mean, when have they ever been known to deceive us?

true, but think about our own governments propeganda they spew out... It's tough to trust any government these days (sept im leaning toward trusting ours the most cause i live here,

)