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improve gas mileage by mixing hydrogen???

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tmc

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was listening to FM radio while driving to work and the host of the show was talking about this vehicle owner who he met in the weekend. this vehicle owner has modified his truck (or car?) with some $100(?) worth of parts, which generates hydrogen from water (not sure if the hydrogen is mixed somehow) and apparently gives 30mpg (whereas earlier it used to give him 14mpg or so).

anyways, another guy on the show was saying this is impossible (he was saying the host could as well say he saw bigfoot) and so this host wanted other people who have done the same to their car to call and share experience.

anyways, do you think this is possible? have you heard of such a thing?
 
pretty sure it's been debunked

Any gains like that are likely attributed to the fact that it was a poorly maintained vehicle, and they performed a tuneup at the same time the installed the hydrogen doo-hickey
 
The turn water into fuel ebook is one of the best selling books online right now. It is also a total scam/fake.
 
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You can make a car run off hydrogen but its not as simple as installing off the shelf parts.
Its not like you put water in the tank and poof, your car is now water powered.
Google HHO.

You still have to provide the electricity to make it, then you have to store it, modify the car and if anything goes wrong you could blow something up.
Hydrogen is extremely easy to ignite.


To make it in the car itself you would need water storage and hell of a lot of space for a conversion tank along with the power to run it. It could probably be done to a van if you didn't want to use anything but the front seat.
 
Simple logic:
Car manufacturers pay millions of dollars in salaries to engineers - guys with degrees including master's and PhD's - to squeeze out every last mpg that they can. You'd be an idiot to believe that some high school drop-out garage tinkerer is going to double his gas mileage with $100 worth of off the shelf components. You'd be an even bigger idiot to think that car manufacturers are not adopting this "technology" simply because they're in collusion with the gas companies to make people buy lots of gas.

 
This has been around for decades, and if it actually, truly worked, lots of people would be using it. There is lots of anecdotal evidence that it does work, but nothing scientific.

In fact, I read recently of someone who was putting up money for anyone who could demonstrate scientifically that it does work. Might be the same dude who has the challenge for expensive speaker cable, among other things.
 
The process works, its been around since electricity was discovered. You separate the hydrogen and oxygen in water . the problem is the energy put in is greater than the energy produced so no net gains.

I'm waiting for someone to be seriously injured or killed playing with this .
Go on youtube and enter hho.
There are people on there building the things and the way they test for if its producing hydrogen gas is to put a cigarette lighter to it .
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Simple logic:
Car manufacturers pay millions of dollars in salaries to engineers - guys with degrees including master's and PhD's - to squeeze out every last mpg that they can. You'd be an idiot to believe that some high school drop-out garage tinkerer is going to double his gas mileage with $100 worth of off the shelf components. You'd be an even bigger idiot to think that car manufacturers are not adopting this "technology" simply because they're in collusion with the gas companies to make people buy lots of gas.
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Well, sort of. When a hybrid can sell because it gets an "astonishing" 40mpg, where's the incentive for them to put high-mileage stuff on the shelf right away? My 11 year-old Elantra gets 35mpg on the highway. Some new hybrids get less than that. Why? More horsepower is one reason - increase engine and drive train efficiency, but then increase horsepower to appeal to excessive testosterone levels. "OOG me have strong car, me big man! Oooog!!!"

They'll keep selling low-mileage cars as long as people are willing to pay for them. The good technology will still be researched, but it will only be put out when necessary, so as to keep the company competitive.


But running cars on water is fiction. The only way to get hydrogen out of water is by putting energy into it. So here's how the radio show's engine works:

Engine burns gasoline to power the alternator.
Alternator generates electricity, powering electrolysis.
Electrolysis produces hydrogen, which is then burned.
Burning produces heat and pressure, which powers the engine, which powers the wheels.

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Engine burns gasoline.
Engine powers the wheels.

Every one of those steps reduces efficiency of the overall system. Adding electrolysis to the whole mess just sucks away energy from the engine, adds more efficiency losses,
and adds complexity to the car, without any benefit.



Here, I'll sell you the same thing, but for your computer:

It's a 12V battery, powered by the 12V rail from your PSU. It powers an inverter, which is linked to the line going into your PSU.
This will reduce your power consumption, since the computer is now running partly off of the inverter's output, and it's drawing less from the wall outlet.


Sounds stupid, doesn't it.

 
This is a well known phenomenon that is being intensively researched by the big auto companies.

Hydrogen is a very potent octane booster, and can be used in small amounts to improve the burn in a gasoline engine. The hydrogen provides faster, and smoother ignition of the gas allowing the power to be delivered more accurately and efficiently. That said, the benefit of added hydrogen is very small - only about 5-10%, certainly not the doubling that this dude is claiming - but it's enough to attract serious attention.

The problem is that, although there is a definite benefit, you need to be careful about how you produce the hydrogen, as if it is generated using engine power then you are sapping a lot of the extra power that you are generating due to the improved burn.

While it is certainly true that you can use electrolysis, powered from the car's electrical system to produce hydrogen - this is a terrible idea, and has been completely discarded by the auto companies. Although electrolysis is reasonably efficient (about 60-70% if you want a good rate of production), generating energy from fuel in a car engine is terrible (about 25% efficient) - as a result, for every 100W of hydrogen that you produce, you need to burn about 600W of fuel. The techniques that are actually being seriously researched use catalytic or pyrolytic cracking of gasoline directly into hydrogen. This is much more efficient (about 75% efficient) - it is also simpler to maintain; cars already have gas tanks and gas pumps; gas is made consistently to a high quality which will avoid contamination of the hydrogen generator; no need to top up 2 different fuels - just top up gas, just the same as any other car.

So, yes, the effect is real. But, no, you won't double your mileage, and if you use a hopelessly inefficient system like electrolysis, you'll likely absorb most of the efficiency boost powering the extra stuff.


 
Please, look up water powered car. and read my posts in there about it. It will never work and is easily proven to never work by physics and chemistry laws. I get tired of all these "water powered car" threads.

Kids, if it sounds too good to be true, it is.
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
dihydrogen monoxide is the future for all cars!
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Don't you know that shit is a major component of acid rain? :|
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I believe it has been linked to some of these recent major hurricanes as well. Ingesting in large quantities can be fatal.
 
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