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Charles Kozierok said:
Well, I just had a short conversation with Don Woligroski about his charts. I even specifically asked him if he really felt the FX-8350 belonged in the same tier as chips like the i3-2120. And he pointed me to this review, which specifically assesses the performance of the FX line against untel in the under-$200 category.

Here's the review's summary chart:

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And his conclusion:



The FX-8350 beats a two-year-old Deneb chip by less than 1% and loses to the Core i3. Ouch.

His best praise for the AMD chips is:



You might want to choose a different set of articles for your future propagandizing, because Don's CPU charts just aren't getting the job done for you.
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AMD armada lawyered like a sir. And about the frame latencies debates, search for the techreports review, where every FX gets slaughtered in frame latencies.
 
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toyota said:
so ONE review shows the 8350 faster in Crysis 3 but you ignore the other reviews that show the 3770k actually being faster in Crysis 3.
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No. I already analysed before one of those alternative reviews presented and explained its results.
 
Charles Kozierok said:
Wrong. If they were "close" then they would be in the same tier. That's what the tiers mean.

Read the review conducted by Woligroski, the author of the CPU charts you persist in misrepresenting. It is 100% clear that he doesn't consider the FX-8350 a good buy even on a performance per dollar basis.
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No. There are different grades of closeness. Two chips in the same tier are more close in performance than two chips on adjacent tiers. But two chips on adjacent ties are more close in performance than two chips separated by four tiers.

I did read the cpu gaming hierarchy and was the first to quote relevant parts from it. Nobody here is mentioning cost neither performance per dollar except you. That is 100% clear.
 
Charles Kozierok said:
Yes, I'm sure an experienced, professional tester/reviewer deliberately ignored his own benchmark tests because he's got it in for AMD. 🙄

I didn't bring up those CPU charts, galego did. And since he did, the basis for those charts is relevant. The charts are summaries of the individual tests. Averages. Which is what matters. Not your cherry-picking. And he said right in the article that the latencies only really matter when they get above a certain value.
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Sorry, but when I cite something I am not giving a blank check saying "everything said by this guy must be taken as gospel". I cited something very very concrete and nothing more.

Charles Kozierok said:
I think I'll take Woligroski's word on this over yours.
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Of course, you are free to do that!
 
Charles Kozierok said:
If you guys have a problem with the review, take it up with Woligroski. Again, I didn't bring this up, I'm just annoyed that galego is deliberately misrepresenting the meaning of his charts.
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And I am annoyed by reading that.

That'll be enough out of you for today. Stop thread crapping. If you have nothing of value to add to the thread, then whatever it is you wish to say does not need to be added.
-ViRGE
 
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galego said:
Sorry, but when I cite something I am not giving a blank check saying "everything said by this guy must be taken as gospel". I cited something very very concrete and nothing more.



Of course, you are free to do that!
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Not unless they are giving glowing predictions about how the PS4 will be better than a high end PC. You apparently accept everything they say as gospel, when there is no data at all, just speculation.
 
Technically, such a request is ad hominem. Galego's arguments are being refuted quite well enough already without resorting to such things.
 
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Imouto said:
Why isn't this galego guy banned already?
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Seems like a poster can make almost any outrageous, unsupported claim, or even one contrary to evidence as long as s/he does not attack another poster personally or use certain kinds of profanity.

Apparently those are pretty much the forum rules. I dont really understand these rules either.
The forums have deteriorated badly in recent days, very difficult to really obtain objective information except from a few very posters.

We're always in need of more mods. And I'd note that you have a spotless record
-ViRGE
 
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toyota said:
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Tessellation off ??? im sure you will have the Titan and you will not enable the TS and SSAA🙄

With Tessellation ON you still keeping the same minimum fps,
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Also, I dont understand why they changed the GTX690, it is faster than the TITAN.
 
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How does TS and AA impact CPU performance?

Furthermore, if you're going to pick at a test for being unrealistic, would you say that a Titan at 1080p is unrealistic? You'd think most Titan owners would go for 1440p or 1600p.
 
Sleepingforest said:
How does TS and AA impact CPU performance?
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It doesn’t (at least not much), but that’s not how you will play the game. You will be more GPU limited. I have said it before, the drivers are not optimized yet, AND we see the same thing that happened with Tomb Raider and NVIDIA. Just look at the HD7970 performance, its slower than the GTX660. 😛


Just to remind, when BD was released the NVIDIA SLI performance was horrendous, the AT article clearly shows that FX doesn’t have any problem driving a pair of GTX580 when the drivers are fine-tuned 😉
 
Sleepingforest said:
Furthermore, if you're going to pick at a test for being unrealistic, would you say that a Titan at 1080p is unrealistic? You'd think most Titan owners would go for 1440p or 1600p.
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No, is not unrealistic to have the Titan for 1080p for the new games. You can clearly see that Titan barely can Max Out the game even without AA at 1080p.
 
Enough of the meta commentary, guys. Report Posts that are a problem, otherwise please stick to the technical discussion at hand.

-ViRGE
 
it's OT, but since we are already focusing on GPU performance,
why would the game use the HT threads more on the 6 core CPU than on the dual core? 😵

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Phynaz said:
Although there is no love lost between Galego and myself, the silencing of a dissenting voice is not something to be taken lightly.
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Banning someone for being deliberately ignorant is not a good enough reason. Although I'll never understand the desire to ignore logic and reality in order to support a preconceived set of ideas and ideals, millions of people are die-hard Democrats or Republicans, so there's definitely a precedent 🙂
 
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