Imports can never compare to classic American muscle

[prism]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Ronstang
OK, I'll drive my 1966 Shelby GT350H and import johnny can drive any Asian sports car he wants under 50K......who do you think will get more looks, attention, and *****?

Please, my Scion xB gets more looks and attention than the shelby would - hell, the average person would just think that you just have a hooked up old mustang. And you'd get less ass, and I've got a scientific survey to back it up: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4891758/ :roll:

😛

You drive a Scion? And you think people actually look at it with envy? Thanks man, that'll keep me RFLMAO for days.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: geno
To you guys who think nothing can touch even a Hennessey Viper, check out exvitermini.com and check out their GTR-700, street legal and it was running low 9's. I think they've since dedicated it to dragging and it's now running mid 8's. I don't know what the 0-60 works out to be for a low 9 second run, but I'm sure it's right around what the Viper TT can do 🙂

for the record, I love all cars, you won't find me always sticking up for domestics or imports or whatever. I love the bassy rumble of a V8 as much as I love hearing a boosted straight 6. There's too many nice cars out there to side with one group of cars all the time 😎

I tend to be like that as well... too bad i get my panties in a twist when fanboys starts popping up and saying oooOoOoOhHH BuT thIs iZ fAsTOooRz... 🙁

Whatever... im still not impressed by drag racers.

 

[prism]

The phrase "there's no replacement for displacement" is true. Yes, a blown 4-banger can put out as much hp as a V8, but you're joking yourself if you think it'll ever last as long.

BTW, I must admit that Celica posted on here earlier is pretty cool looking 😛

And whoever says that muscle cars can't handle as well as new imports needs look no further than Steve McQueen doing his own driving in Bullitt. You just need to be more than a toothpick-armed johnny ricer of today to handle a car without power steering in that manner.

And for all your guys' info I drive a 96 Accord, because today's American cars can't touch it for reliability 😛

 

[StageLeft]

Different priorities. A $30k domestic will out drag an import - well actually that's not true, since I can't think of a domestic for the same price as an evo that will do 0-60 in 4.9, but let's forget that - but the import will out handle it.

And sure a viper/vette will take on most imports, but then there aren't many imports in the same price range aimed at the same market.

Let's not forget that the fastest street-legal factory cars in the world have been imports for years. Mclaren F1, Ferrari, and upcoming the Carrera GT, Bugatti EB 16/4, etc.

And whoever says that muscle cars can't handle as well as new imports needs look no further than Steve McQueen doing his own driving in Bullitt.

Ah, that's a movie. There isn't a single domestic I'm aware of except maybe the ford gt, which can take out an evo on a fairly tight track.

 

[prism]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Different priorities. A $30k domestic will out drag an import - well actually that's not true, since I can't think of a domestic for the same price as an evo that will do 0-60 in 4.9, but let's forget that - but the import will out handle it.

And sure a viper/vette will take on most imports, but then there aren't many imports in the same price range aimed at the same market.

Let's not forget that the fastest street-legal factory cars in the world have been imports for years. Mclaren F1, Ferrari, and upcoming the Carrera GT, Bugatti EB 16/4, etc.

And whoever says that muscle cars can't handle as well as new imports needs look no further than Steve McQueen doing his own driving in Bullitt.

Ah, that's a movie. There isn't a single domestic I'm aware of except maybe the ford gt, which can take out an evo on a fairly tight track.

I can rebuild an early 70s El Camino for less than 15k that could smoke an Evo.

And as I've stated earlier, the imports I was referring to were of Asian descent. And the ones you mentioned are FAR worse on the price/performance ratio than domestic sports/muscle cars.

And yes that's obviously a movie. But back then they didn't have any modern special effects, and as you can tell McQueen really did drive his car that way in there.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Even modern Japanese cars can't compete with American muscle. Show me one Japanese car that can outrun a Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT. 0-60 in 2.43s. RWD. Even your precious Skyline can't touch it. There's no replacement for displacement 😉 .

Then why does it use turbochargers?

 

[Howard]

And since this discussion is about straight-line performance...

http://www.toyota.com/motorsports/drag/teams1.html

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: halik
You can have a nissan 300zx TT or 3000gt vr4 that will outhandle and outrun pretty much anything on the road. Muscle cars are neat, but people dont drive in striaght line in real life...

If you had any sense, youd try comparting the vette and a viper against the best imports...

You live in Ann Arbor and you're telling me "in real life, people don't drive in a straight line"?
Look at all the twisting, turning, windy roads!

Huron River Drive would be suitable for a rally driving, it is a nice, scenic, curvy, windy road...
Believe me, there is a plenty of interesting roads in A^2
Find a Huron River drive on the map, it is curvy enough

 

[Crucial]

Originally posted by: BMdoobieW

...and most drivers in this country are just funny... they go speeding on freeways at 100+mph ... yet put them on a road course and they can't drive for isht.

AMEN

And how many road courses are there that the everyday person can drive on to practice without paying a couple hundred bucks? There sure aren't any around my city. If your driving that way on public roads I sure hope I don't get near you. Twitsy country roads are not a road course.

 

[PMFleXXX]

Originally posted by: Prism


I can rebuild an early 70s El Camino for less than 15k that could smoke an Evo.

And as I've stated earlier, the imports I was referring to were of Asian descent. And the ones you mentioned are FAR worse on the price/performance ratio than domestic sports/muscle cars.

Seriously, are you mental? Can't you see that comparing old used cars to modern new cars is like comparing apples to oranges? Esp. when you try to compare based upon price!! Come on dude, lets be serious.

Comparing heavily modified Lingewhatevers and Hennessey's is also pretty stupid as well... once you give someone $130,000 to soup up your car it ceases to be a Corvette in my mind and is instead a straight-up Lingenfelter, etc... The only real things you can compare are Evos, STis, the Ford SVT line, Dodge SRT line, etc... Those cars were actually produced by their manufacturers, and not some crazy overpriced shops.

and FYI Skoorb, the Dodge SRT-4 (modded Neon) is up there with the Evo and STi (at least in a straight line).

 

[StageLeft]

I can rebuild an early 70s El Camino for less than 15k that could smoke an Evo.

Domestics have different priorities. Yes they're better on the straight line, but asian sports cars put more time in to handling. That camino of yours will be in the pylons around a corner if it tries to keep up with a stock evo.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: Prism
And I haven't even brought up the Lingenfelter Corvette....
2.0 0-60
9.0 1/4 mile

About 80 grand

nuff said

i think that is wrong. i think the ligenfelter is quite a bit more than that (well, at least the one with those stats)

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: Prism
And I haven't even brought up the Lingenfelter Corvette....
2.0 0-60
9.0 1/4 mile

About 80 grand

nuff said

i think that is wrong. i think the ligenfelter is quite a bit more than that (well, at least the one with those stats)

Link

Also, I think this is important:

LPE's 2 year / 24,000 mile warranty

Edit: the 0-60 time depends on how good your traction is. I recall reading an article where they had lots of trouble getting it to hook up, they kept smoking the tires.

 

[maziwanka]

this thread has been amusing. i definately favor american muscle over imports (im biased since i own american muscle), but i totally disagree with the OP.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: Actaeon
Oh, I'm a firm believer in American Muscle, I love the Corvettes/Z28s/TransAms. GTO, CTS-V, etc etc... beautiful cars! Gotta love that LS1!

But to say the Skyline, RX7, Supras, 300ZX TT, 3000GT VR4, etc etc and such can never compare, well, you're just being a biased fanboy.

Civics, Corollas, Accords... I'll agree with you there, they'll never catch up with American Muscle... but they wern't supposed to (Despite what the ricers think).

did I just read an unbias point of view? 🙂

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I didn't say it had to be a 4 banger. It can be a Skyline or an NSX, it can be a Lexus SC430 with *gasp* Japanese v8. No japanese car matches American muscle. 4 banger or otherwise.

Japanese cars are great for what they do, get you to work reliably. My Acura hasn't broken down once. Although I got some that stuff they use to glue down the little reflectors on the road on my hood. Looks like it's on their permanently, according to the Acura dealer. I'm supposed to get a new hood from the insurance company. 🙁

And after this car, I'll never own another FWD car again... It's just wierd.

OK Look at the Nissan Titan V8. Class leading torque for full size trucks. More than dodge, ford or chevy.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

I didn't say it had to be a 4 banger. It can be a Skyline or an NSX, it can be a Lexus SC430 with *gasp* Japanese v8. No japanese car matches American muscle. 4 banger or otherwise.

Japanese cars are great for what they do, get you to work reliably. My Acura hasn't broken down once. Although I got some that stuff they use to glue down the little reflectors on the road on my hood. Looks like it's on their permanently, according to the Acura dealer. I'm supposed to get a new hood from the insurance company. 🙁

And after this car, I'll never own another FWD car again... It's just wierd.

OK Look at the Nissan Titan V8. Class leading torque for full size trucks. More than dodge, ford or chevy.

If I'm not mistaken it's also cheaper.

 

[prism]

Originally posted by: Prism
When I say imports I mean those of the Asian variety. Late 60s and early 70s American muscle cars always, no matter what, have more speed for the money. European sports cars are cool, but way too pricey.

If anyone thinks that any Asian import can compete with American muscle cars, I'd like to hear it. And don't even bring up the Skyline, that's the most overpriced thing since gas these days 😛

This thread has gotten way off-hand and people have been bringing up cars of every price range. As you can see by my original post, my point is that American cars have better bang for the buck. I'm not talking about buying a 70s Hemi Cuda for 50+ grand (and that's an eBay price) or anything like that, same as I never mentioned anything about Formula 1 cars, where yes Honda reigns supreme. I admit that I have gotten a little wild with this thread too, and I'm sorry if I caused any harsh feelings.

All I can say is that I'm happier with my El Camino listening to Whitesnake and Guns N' Roses than I would be in an import listening to rap, which is all I hear the local import "team" listening to. 😎

 

[CChaos]

I'll have to agree with the OP on this one. Apples are much better than oranges. It's true!

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Nebor
Even modern Japanese cars can't compete with American muscle. Show me one Japanese car that can outrun a Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT. 0-60 in 2.43s. RWD. Even your precious Skyline can't touch it. There's no replacement for displacement 😉 .

Then why does it use turbochargers?

THose aren't turbos. They're Ram Air. Air just finds it's way in those intakes. They may be helped by the exhuast as well.

 

[Nebor]

Let's not forget that the fastest street-legal factory cars in the world have been imports for years. Mclaren F1, Ferrari, and upcoming the Carrera GT, Bugatti EB 16/4, etc.

Those aren't imports. They're Euros. Rice boys have twisted the word imports into just cars from Asia.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Prism
All I can say is that I'm happier with my El Camino listening to Whitesnake and Guns N' Roses than I would be in an import listening to rap, which is all I hear the local import "team" listening to. 😎

Wear your mullet proudly, Prism!
😀

 

[prism]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Prism
All I can say is that I'm happier with my El Camino listening to Whitesnake and Guns N' Roses than I would be in an import listening to rap, which is all I hear the local import "team" listening to. 😎

Wear your mullet proudly, Prism!
😀

I'm only 20, too young to be burdened with a mullet, but someday...
😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

 

[andylawcc]

funny. your name resemble an entry-level Toyota under GM's name badge.



sorry OS, I know you used to drive one 🙂

 

[Ninjja]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: Prism
And I haven't even brought up the Lingenfelter Corvette....
2.0 0-60
9.0 1/4 mile

About 80 grand

nuff said

i think that is wrong. i think the ligenfelter is quite a bit more than that (well, at least the one with those stats)

I knew you would be posting in this thread. hehe.