Implications : SM 3.0 and 3Dc

[HelliKoid]

let´s see, what is the more future value technology ,i.e more used on games, more important ,
SM 3.0 (+UltraShadow2) or 3Dc ?

which technology would be more important to have now?

i don t care about performance,speed ,talkin about image quality,textr,fx...

which technology has more implications?

3dc:textr compression; what does much-texture-compression mean in terms of image quality?(not perf)

SM 3.0 , not only better shadows but enhances image quality-txtr?(farcry demo)

THANKS !

 

[Keysplayr]

Is this what your going to base a future purchase on? Nobody in here is a fortune teller my friend.
The best thing you can do is the same as any of us can do. Have patience, and wait and see for yourself.
3Dc, SM3.0 means nothing right now. They will soon enough, then we can talk about them.

 

[HelliKoid]

aha k

 

[ryedizzel]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
3Dc, SM3.0 means nothing right now.

actually your wrong. because as of RIGHT NOW SM3.0 is already being utilized in FarCry. so if he wants to know what's important "right now" then its gonna be features on the GeForce cards. if he wants to know about the future (which i dont recall him saying) THEN he would have to wait and be patient.

 

[LTC8K6]

because as of RIGHT NOW SM3.0 is already being utilized in FarCry

I don't think that is entirely correct. Only one or two of the features in SM3.0 are being used in far cry.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ryedizzel

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
3Dc, SM3.0 means nothing right now.

actually your wrong. because as of RIGHT NOW SM3.0 is already being utilized in FarCry. so if he wants to know what's important "right now" then its gonna be features on the GeForce cards. if he wants to know about the future (which i dont recall him saying) THEN he would have to wait and be patient.

Umm, actually I'm not wrong. I have a GT and use the SM3.0 patch and path in FarCry. There are only tiny portions and only on certain areas of maps that use any sort of SM3.0 features. I would hardly call it "utilized".
There are not any games out yet written in native SM3.0.

While SM3.0 and 3Dc both will offer significant benefits later on, they are slim pickins out there right now that use any of that stuff. And if I recall correctly, Crytek recalled the 1.2 SM3.0 patch. So, as of RIGHT NOW, it's a hack. People with ATI cards were installing this patch for FarCry (for whatever reason as they don't support 3.0) and got a ton of problems. So Crytek recalled it. Still waiting for the re-release.
Maybe by Christmas we will see some new games out that fully utilize these features. But like I said, we are not fortune tellers.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

because as of RIGHT NOW SM3.0 is already being utilized in FarCry

I don't think that is entirely correct. Only one or two of the features in SM3.0 are being used in far cry.

Yup.

 

[ryedizzel]

even if it's not being fully utilized, it is still being used somewhat as were the 3DC is not been touched at all.

also remember that the patch not only activated certain visual features, but it also increased performance.

also remember the only reason that patch was pulled back was because of the whinning ATI owners that probably shouldnt have installed it in the first place. (this is coming from someone with an X800 Pro.)

please corrent me if i am wrong, but it worked fine for those with the GeForce cards (and still does).

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: ryedizzel

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
3Dc, SM3.0 means nothing right now.

actually your wrong. because as of RIGHT NOW SM3.0 is already being utilized in FarCry. so if he wants to know what's important "right now" then its gonna be features on the GeForce cards. if he wants to know about the future (which i dont recall him saying) THEN he would have to wait and be patient.

Not officially. The patch was recalled. GeForce users (despite your claim) also had problems with the patch. It shouldnt have been released. Obviously it was screwed up, its been what, 2 months now?

In any event, the X800's get the same boost with the recalled patch, with 2.0b.

The short answer is, we dont know yet. Maybe one, maybe both.

 

[stardust]

I think you guys are picking at technicalities. I believe both keys and rye understand each other's view points..

So far, both SM3 and 3Dc are technologies are made for the same purpose in mind, to serve future games and beyond. I believe both were made to improve performance. Keep in mind SM3 has not demonstrated any significantly better IQ compared to ps2.

So let's just wait and see.

 

[ryedizzel]

Originally posted by: stardust
I think you guys are picking at technicalities. I believe both keys and rye understand each other's view points..

So far, both SM3 and 3Dc are technologies are made for the same purpose in mind, to serve future games and beyond. I believe both were made to improve performance. Keep in mind SM3 has not demonstrated any significantly better IQ compared to ps2.

So let's just wait and see.

dammit stardust, why do you have to go and make sense? now its gonna make it tougher for me to sell my X800 Pro on EBAY and buy a 6800GT.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ryedizzel
even if it's not being fully utilized, it is still being used somewhat as were the 3DC is not been touched at all.

also remember that the patch not only activated certain visual features, but it also increased performance.

also remember the only reason that patch was pulled back was because of the whinning ATI owners that probably shouldnt have installed it in the first place. (this is coming from someone with an X800 Pro.)

please corrent me if i am wrong, but it worked fine for those with the GeForce cards (and still does).

3Dc is being used in the Serious Sam games. That's all I know for now. Granted it's not a new game, but it's being minimally used.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: stardust
I think you guys are picking at technicalities. I believe both keys and rye understand each other's view points..

So far, both SM3 and 3Dc are technologies are made for the same purpose in mind, to serve future games and beyond. I believe both were made to improve performance. Keep in mind SM3 has not demonstrated any significantly better IQ compared to ps2.

So let's just wait and see.

Can't argue with that..

:beer:

 

[BFG10K]

I don't think either tech will have a large impact this generation but next generation both vendors should have it.

 

[imported_alp]

Of course ati owners installed 1.2 patch. It probably also came with a load of balance changes, you know, for playing the game