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HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
someone is going to run the show, it may as well be us.

No, someone does not have to "run the show." Especially when its NEVER worked before and always gets a lot of people killed. You also need to keep in mind that not everyone is going to accept being constantly focked with, brutalized and ordered around like punks. You really need to study a bit of history before you start shooting you mouth off like an idiot, shad.

 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
someone is going to run the show, it may as well be us.

No, someone does not have to "run the show." Especially when its NEVER worked before and always gets a lot of people killed. You also need to keep in mind that not everyone is going to accept being constantly focked with, brutalized and ordered around like punks. You really need to study a bit of history before you start shooting you mouth off like an idiot, shad.

i have some history books(many actually), read the rest of the thread and follow your own advice ;)

 

Martin

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You're all over the place and you idea is pretty f-ing dumb.

There is no choice between a US empire and communism. That's a false dilemma. The best option would be for every country to run its own affairs, rather than have some distant beauracracy with no clue about local customs impose its will. We call that tyranny.
 

sMiLeYz

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It's not a bad idea at all, I'd say...

First France, then Germany, than Iran, North Korea, Pakistan! Actually, whatever order is fine. I say we nuke 'em then sort them out later. We should put the commies, socialists, liberals, the French, homosexuals, muslims and maybe... the mexicans, all in one place. We can keep them away from the rest of us normal god-fearing folks.
The world would be a much better place under an united America flag.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
someone is going to run the show, it may as well be us.

No, someone does not have to "run the show." Especially when its NEVER worked before and always gets a lot of people killed. You also need to keep in mind that not everyone is going to accept being constantly focked with, brutalized and ordered around like punks. You really need to study a bit of history before you start shooting you mouth off like an idiot, shad.

i have some history books(many actually), read the rest of the thread and follow your own advice ;)

Having them and reading them are two different things. The ONLY reason why you're all giggly about the idea of "imperialism" is because you think you're at the top of the heap. If it was YOUR ass, instead of some stupid "darkies" some where you'd be singing a different toon. Probably in the key of high-pitched "whine." I noticed you didn't bother to challenge anything I said either. Frankly that not only makes you silly, but also in complete denial about what you're proposing. Oh, and why do I need to read the whole thread when all I wanted to do was respond to what YOU said? Are you indicating that the topic and your initial post where just another example of lame trolling and should have been ignored?

 

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God help me sMiLeYz, i hope your being sarcastic. On the other hand all the groups you mentioned wouldnt have a vrey hard time kicking the christian conservative america's ass if they did this :) Im sure its fine with the rest of the world if you people go start a conven and live like puritans as long as you dont force it on everyone else.
 

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
i am not trolling.

historically some of the freest societies that promoted(and in fact invented) democracy in the world were "empires" civilization itself and the code of law came from them. if you doubt me read a history book or two...

also the US has actually been an "empire" for well over 150 years.

compare the nations that gave birth to civilization to say...

the union of soviet socialist republics.

germany under hitler, the head of the national socialist german workers party.(aka NAZI party)

the italian social republic under mussolini.

china.

etc...etc.

it seems "imperialism" (as far as the indivdual is concerned) is much better than socialism/communism.

but why let historical fact get in the way of political ideaology?


They can call themselves whatever they want. For someone so well "read" as you procliam you'd know theres no controversy over the status of these terms, there were/are a misnomer of political labels.

Was the German Democratic Republic either democratic or republican? How about the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea? Misnomers again.

As far as Nazis all of Hitler's political beliefs place him on the far right. Again no controversy. For example, most conservatives believe in patriotism and a strong military; carry these beliefs far enough, and you arrive at Hitler's warring nationalism. Embarressing? you bet which is why ditto monkeys lauch such a silly ass arguement.



 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Having them and reading them are two different things. The ONLY reason why you're all giggly about the idea of "imperialism" is because you think you're at the top of the heap. If it was YOUR ass, instead of some stupid "darkies" some where you'd be singing a different toon. Probably in the key of high-pitched "whine." I noticed you didn't bother to challenge anything I said either. Frankly that not only makes you silly, but also in complete denial about what you're proposing. Oh, and why do I need to read the whole thread when all I wanted to do was respond to what YOU said? Are you indicating that the topic and your initial post where just another example of lame trolling and should have been ignored?


actually things i had already posted adressed what you brought up, but since you seem too lazy to read my elucidation in further the thread then i really have no reason to repeat myself, especially since your only response is only an ad hom attack on my person. this is understandable since history backs up my assertion and you probobly do not want to deal with that, plus the fact that the ideaology espoused by the left here (namely socialism/communism) is responsible for the greatest human suffering in the world

at first i was confused with your comment:

"The ONLY reason why you're all giggly about the idea of "imperialism" is because you think you're at the top of the heap. If it was YOUR ass, instead of some stupid "darkies"

then i realized you assumed i was a racist white male because i said imperialism is good. well if you did, you are (half)wrong. i am a cherokee/irish mix, this is one of those small details you missed when you could not be bothered by reading the rest of my posts in this thread...

with that being said, you can do your part to make up for what the "evil white men" did to the cherokee by giving me your car, your house, and your land...call it "repatriation of a displaced minority". just think of the example you would set! if you did this you could actually gripe about israeli's living on "occupied land" and not be a hypocrite!

BTW i just have to ask..are you a member of A.N.S.W.E.R. ? you come off like one...



 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: Zebo

As far as Nazis all of Hitler's political beliefs place him on the far right. Again no controversy. For example, most conservatives believe in patriotism and a strong military; carry these beliefs far enough, and you arrive at Hitler's warring nationalism. Embarressing? you bet which is why ditto monkeys lauch such a silly ass arguement.


does your opinion change the fact hitler was a socialist? no. does it change the fact socialism communism has givin us the most brutal dictators in history, with saddam(head of the iraqi baath socialist party) being the latest example? again, no.

stalin, mao, pol pot, all preached on the evils of "western imperialism" considering how their alternatives worked i say imperialism is a good thing!

 

Napalm

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Its widely acknowledged that Hitler was a right wing extremist. Whats with the historical revisionism?

N

PS. Glad to finally see a neo-con call a spade a spade - its all about US imperialism...
 

Perknose

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does your opinion change the fact hitler was a socialist? no. does it change the fact socialism communism has givin us the most brutal dictators in history, with saddam(head of the iraqi baath socialist party) being the latest example? again, no.
Hitler was a National Socialist in much the same way that George Bush is a compassionate conservative.
rolleye.gif


Hitler used the brown shirts (SA) to go after socialists and communists in the streets -- disrupt their rallies and beat the living sh!t out of them. When he consolidated power and first opened his concentration camps, many of the very first "invited guests" were socialists and communists. Hitler killed every single communist he could get his hands on. Hitler was a facist (state corporatism).
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK


"actually things i had already posted adressed what you brought up, but since you seem too lazy to read my elucidation in further the thread then i really have no reason to repeat myself, especially since your only response is only an ad hom attack on my person. this is understandable since history backs up my assertion and you probobly do not want to deal with that, plus the fact that the ideaology espoused by the left here (namely socialism/communism) is responsible for the greatest human suffering in the world"

You really need to expand your horizons beyond just what YOU think should happen. I have no wish to read through a bunch of lame BS about Hitler's political leanings in order to question your initial premise. Ad hominen? No, not really. What you're sensing is complete contempt for an idea almost as old as mankind: "I'm better than you, therefore I should be able to tell you what to do, whether you want it to happen or not." History backs you up in what way, son? That sincere efforts (lots of treasure and lives wasted because SOME people don't know how to leave others the fock alone?) at imperialism haven't been tried? Sure they have, and to the the lasting regret of history. I couldn't care less about political labels, nor does the modern world it seems. What I DO care about is the fact that MY country is behaving like a strutting, pompous, whining, bully/jackass on the world stage, because it CAN. :) What a joke. The US is responsible for a great deal of suffering as well. But I guess that's okay in your tight-assed little world beause we do it for "the greater good."

As for the rest, geez, you do ramble don't you. :)

I'm off to play some 2k4 ONS now, but I'll be back for more questioning of your thought processes, okay?

 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
You really need to expand your horizons beyond just what YOU think should happen. I have no wish to read through a bunch of lame BS about Hitler's political leanings in order to question your initial premise. Ad hominen? No, not really. What you're sensing is complete contempt for an idea almost as old as mankind: "I'm better than you, therefore I should be able to tell you what to do, whether you want it to happen or not."

so your serial ad hom argument that to date is nothing other than a factless personal attack on someone who disagrees with you politically. i suppose the irony of you telling me what i "need to do" when compared to your sophomoric straw man "I'm better than you, therefore I should be able to tell you what to do..." is lost...do you feel any self contempt as a result? most likely not.


Originally posted by: HardWarrior
History backs you up in what way, son?

by comparing whatever "evil" the US has done to what countries based on other ideaologies have done, the US comes nowhere near the monsterous suffering that mao, hitler, or stalin unleased upon the world in the name of communism. you know this, i know it. the historical validity of this opinion is self evident. if it is not could you actually demonstrate otherwise?

BTW the condescending "son" thing was great! i found the transparency of it's purpose amusing.


Originally posted by: HardWarrior
That sincere efforts (lots of treasure and lives wasted because SOME people don't know how to leave others the fock alone?) at imperialism haven't been tried? Sure they have, and to the the lasting regret of history. I couldn't care less about political labels, nor does the modern world it seems. What I DO care about is the fact that MY country is behaving like a strutting, pompous, whining, bully/jackass on the world stage, because it CAN. :) What a joke. The US is responsible for a great deal of suffering as well. But I guess that's okay in your tight-assed little world beause we do it for "the greater good."

that is true, the aggressive imperialism of european socialism/communism has caused the greatest amount of suffering in the history of the world by far, with over tens of millions dead. the impotent "label" argument is invalid for obvious reasons. as far as hating what your country is doing...if you can think of a better nation, i suggest you move there, you would probobly be happier. if not then all i can say is get over it ASAP, all that stress will take years off your life span!

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
As for the rest, geez, you do ramble don't you. :)

I'm off to play some 2k4 ONS now, but I'll be back for more questioning of your thought processes, okay?

question away! if it makes you feel better about yourself in some way, i can tolerate it since i am all for people feeling better about themselves, although your starting to get a little boring.

goodnight :D
 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: Napalm
Shadow:

Its widely acknowledged that Hitler was a right wing extremist. Whats with the historical revisionism?


no revisionism..on my part at least. the very word nazi is a contraction of national socialist this is fact, not opinion.



 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: Perknose
does your opinion change the fact hitler was a socialist? no. does it change the fact socialism communism has givin us the most brutal dictators in history, with saddam(head of the iraqi baath socialist party) being the latest example? again, no.
Hitler was a National Socialist in much the same way that George Bush is a compassionate conservative.
rolleye.gif


Hitler used the brown shirts (SA) to go after socialists and communists in the streets -- disrupt their rallies and beat the living sh!t out of them. When he consolidated power and first opened his concentration camps, many of the very first "invited guests" were socialists and communists. Hitler killed every single communist he could get his hands on. Hitler was a facist (state corporatism).


hitler used his stormtroopers to go after ANY rival to his rise to power, most dictators do whatever their ideaology. actually socialism and communism are all about state corporatism(the nationalization of industry, banking and credit institutions) this is where they all fail, once the state has total power, those in governemnt have total power, and they want to keep it. latest example:

the baath socialist party in iraq under sadam hussein.

fascism:
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

communism:
1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the U.S.S.R. b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably

socialism:
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


in theory all 3 ideaologies have much in common and their differences...but in application they all end up the same:

1. a government with total power

2. a dictator or oligarchy in control of said government.

3. the disdain of the individual.

i have to leave for my trip, in the meantime let hardwarrior entertain you with his vivid imagination :) and i leave you with this thought.

the only reason you have any rights collectively as citizens is your rights as individuals, a group made up of individuals with no freedoms still have no freedom collectively.










 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

no revisionism..on my part at least. the very word nazi is a contraction of national socialist this is fact, not opinion.


they called themselves socialists, but they were clearly fascists.


oh and ya it would be nice if the world was run by the ideals U.S. constitution, but we have enough in our own country because of leaders who do not respect it. we obviously need to get things right at home before trying to push our system off on others.
 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
they called themselves socialists but they were clearly fascists.

when the government owns controls everything, is there any real difference?


no. there is not. at least not in teh real world where some theories may sound good but never work.

 

kylebisme

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ya there is a huge difference, and "when the government owns controls everything" is not a fitting description for either.
 

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
they called themselves socialists but they were clearly fascists.

when the government owns controls everything, is there any real difference?


no. there is not. at least not in teh real world where some theories may sound good but never work.

The government didn't own/control everything, Industry was all Privately owned.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
No I think hes right! An empire would return america to it's former glory. Think about it! Like Iraq, we can spread peace democracy and american values everywhere through warfare. It's worked for the Romans and the Brits... why not us?

spread "peace" Good one.

spread "American values" even better.

Britteny Spear's crappy music and Janet's boobs for everyone !
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: Napalm
Shadow:

Its widely acknowledged that Hitler was a right wing extremist. Whats with the historical revisionism?


no revisionism..on my part at least. the very word nazi is a contraction of national socialist this is fact, not opinion.



So is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea aka North Korea.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
they called themselves socialists but they were clearly fascists.

when the government owns controls everything, is there any real difference?


no. there is not. at least not in teh real world where some theories may sound good but never work.

Nazi's never owned Volkswagon, Porsche or BMW during WW2. Of course they got first crack at contracts like Haliburton because their owners were part of or friendly to the party in charge.
 

kylebisme

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exactly, as the man who coined the term fascism once said:

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.


and that is exactly where our republic has been heading.