Immigration Overeaction and Misperceptions

[Stunt]

Our country imports labour in harvesting season...this is nothing new. Do all the people go back to their respective countries? no. Do they take all their money out of the country? yes.

I advocate aggressive immigration in Canada; we need more people to continue economic growth and prosperity.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot




And income tax is a much larger percentage of a person's tax burden than sales tax, how do illegals pay income tax when they're working under the table?

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Regarding this point, most undocumented laborers are not paid "under the table" per se.

Most often, employers still have to account for their payroll, so the undocumented are given fake Social Security numbers and the employer withholds the legally required Medicare and Social Security taxes.

Since undocumented workers have no way to reclaim these taxes, the result is a windfall for the Social Security Fund.

Since undocumented workers cannot file tax returns, all of their withheld tax payments (which likely would have been refunded) remain in IRS coffers; again, a windfall for the system.

Since undocumented workers won't qualify for Medicare, the result is a windfall for the Medicare system.


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[her209]

Maybe Mexico should start allowing more people in to their country to boost their own economy?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Our country imports labour in harvesting season...this is nothing new. Do all the people go back to their respective countries? no. Do they take all their money out of the country? yes.

I advocate aggressive immigration in Canada; we need more people to continue economic growth and prosperity.

Cheap labor doesn't equate to prosperity for the people whose wages are affected by the cheap, illegal labor, now does it.

It's bad enough that a company can pack up and move if they want, but now they are asking us to allow more workers in the country because it's more profitable and easier for them. If they have a business that can't be moved, or they don't want to move then that's just tough tittie for them. I'm not going to allow myself to be blackmailed that way.

My prosperity shouldn't rest on the sholders of illegal workers. Perhaps management should get off their asses and figure out how to be more efficeint, that is why they make the big bucks. I work hard and if I allow "guest workers", then the next step is indentured servants and after that slave labor. I guess as long as your stocks are doing OK you don't care about anything else.

 

[Jaskalas]

Cheap labor is an evil. That means the worker is getting shafted by wages that don't pay the bills. Then those looking for a job have less high paying jobs to pick from, increasing the poverty rate in a country.

Yay, Wallmart has cheap labor, let's all go work at Wallmart!

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Slew Foot




And income tax is a much larger percentage of a person's tax burden than sales tax, how do illegals pay income tax when they're working under the table?

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Regarding this point, most undocumented laborers are not paid "under the table" per se.

Most often, employers still have to account for their payroll, so the undocumented are given fake Social Security numbers and the employer withholds the legally required Medicare and Social Security taxes.

Since undocumented workers have no way to reclaim these taxes, the result is a windfall for the Social Security Fund.

Since undocumented workers cannot file tax returns, all of their withheld tax payments (which likely would have been refunded) remain in IRS coffers; again, a windfall for the system.

Since undocumented workers won't qualify for Medicare, the result is a windfall for the Medicare system.


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My girlfriend is half hispanic as her mother immigrated illegally from Mexico....her father was in the USNavy at the time........Anyways, her mother had a knee problem and thanks to some "program" the American taxpayers paid for her $70,000 surgery even though she works under the table.......not only does that disgust me- it also shows that you shouldn't post links to every site that supports your argument when common sense shows otherwise........do you really think illegals pay taxes? Would you? They claim 10+ dependents and don't pay a time.....

Social security and medicare? I also pay into those and most likely will get nothing out of it......hell while we're working on fixing the illegal immigrant problem lets drop social security and medicare as well........

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Slew Foot




And income tax is a much larger percentage of a person's tax burden than sales tax, how do illegals pay income tax when they're working under the table?

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Regarding this point, most undocumented laborers are not paid "under the table" per se.

Most often, employers still have to account for their payroll, so the undocumented are given fake Social Security numbers and the employer withholds the legally required Medicare and Social Security taxes.

Since undocumented workers have no way to reclaim these taxes, the result is a windfall for the Social Security Fund.

Since undocumented workers cannot file tax returns, all of their withheld tax payments (which likely would have been refunded) remain in IRS coffers; again, a windfall for the system.

Since undocumented workers won't qualify for Medicare, the result is a windfall for the Medicare system.


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I also love how you point out how these illegal immigrants also break the law by committing identity theft and then go on about how great it is for social security and medicare........If I know someone who commits an identity related crime I'll make sure they get you to testify on their behalf...........what makes you think these immigrants don't get tax refunds thru these false alias's as well?

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: her209
Maybe Mexico should start allowing more people in to their country to boost their own economy?

QFT

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Your forefathers were immigrants, then their relatives imported cheap labour (slaves) for increased productivity. Both Canada and the US do the same with temporary workers. Corporations and your forefathers endorse immigration for domestic labour markets.

The American Dream is no less weak with the growth of population; America will continue to prosper with both legal and illegal immigration. We now live in a multicultural and diverse world where no person should be treated any different than another and no person should have more opportunity than another. The nationalist/patriotic mindset is digusting.

What's disgusting is people not even personally affected by this mass illegal influx, commenting on what they feel is good for what is not even their Country.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt
You currently are supporting the illegals, the only thing you are missing out on is the income tax you refuse to take from them when you keep them as illegals.

As for the Mexico issue, I think the US could swallow the whole country if it wanted to;

That is one thing I agree on.

Making Mexico the 51st state would instantly eliminate the problem.

The banks would be linked so all that untaxed money going to Mexico stays in the U.S. reserves and instantly add everyone possible to the IRS hit list.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
Your forefathers were immigrants, then their relatives imported cheap labour (slaves) for increased productivity. Both Canada and the US do the same with temporary workers. Corporations and your forefathers endorse immigration for domestic labour markets.

The American Dream is no less weak with the growth of population; America will continue to prosper with both legal and illegal immigration. We now live in a multicultural and diverse world where no person should be treated any different than another and no person should have more opportunity than another. The nationalist/patriotic mindset is digusting.

What's disgusting is people not even personally affected by this mass illegal influx, commenting on what they feel is good for what is not even their Country.

LOL, ain't that the truth, a Canadian lecturing us about the American dream. They just can't pass up a chance to critisize the US, he even had to start his own thread about it. :evil:

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
You currently are supporting the illegals, the only thing you are missing out on is the income tax you refuse to take from them when you keep them as illegals.

As for the Mexico issue, I think the US could swallow the whole country if it wanted to;

That is one thing I agree on.

Making Mexico the 51st state would instantly eliminate the problem.

The banks would be linked so all that untaxed money going to Mexico stays in the U.S. reserves and instantly add everyone possible to the IRS hit list.

Wouldn't there be illegals from central america coming into the newly merged US/Mexico?

Dave not thinking through his ideas again...

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
Your forefathers were immigrants, then their relatives imported cheap labour (slaves) for increased productivity. Both Canada and the US do the same with temporary workers. Corporations and your forefathers endorse immigration for domestic labour markets.

The American Dream is no less weak with the growth of population; America will continue to prosper with both legal and illegal immigration. We now live in a multicultural and diverse world where no person should be treated any different than another and no person should have more opportunity than another. The nationalist/patriotic mindset is digusting.

What's disgusting is people not even personally affected by this mass illegal influx, commenting on what they feel is good for what is not even their Country.

LOL, ain't that the truth, a Canadian lecturing us about the American dream. They just can't pass up a chance to critisize the US, he even had to start his own thread about it. :evil:

So I'm only allowed to comment when we agree on something?
My views are just as valid and worthwhile as yours...just because I live in a different country doesn't mean I can't give a point of view.

Next time you comment on anything other than the US...just remember the dumbass comments you are making here.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
Your forefathers were immigrants, then their relatives imported cheap labour (slaves) for increased productivity. Both Canada and the US do the same with temporary workers. Corporations and your forefathers endorse immigration for domestic labour markets.

The American Dream is no less weak with the growth of population; America will continue to prosper with both legal and illegal immigration. We now live in a multicultural and diverse world where no person should be treated any different than another and no person should have more opportunity than another. The nationalist/patriotic mindset is digusting.

What's disgusting is people not even personally affected by this mass illegal influx, commenting on what they feel is good for what is not even their Country.

LOL, ain't that the truth, a Canadian lecturing us about the American dream. They just can't pass up a chance to critisize the US, he even had to start his own thread about it. :evil:

So I'm only allowed to comment when we agree on something?
My views are just as valid and worthwhile as yours...just because I live in a different country doesn't mean I can't give a point of view.

Next time you comment on anything other than the US...just remember the dumbass comments you are making here.

Hey, who said your views weren't valid?

I'm saying that since this conerns the internal affairs and security of this country, this issue is none of your damn business and you should butt out on this one. You aren't the one paying taxes in this country and our immigration policies don't even affect you, so your opinion on the subject doesn't really matter to me. That's my opinion.

Hey, you don't like MY opinion, too bad. At least it's an opinion on something that affects me personally.

 

[bctbct]

The problem with allowing more in legally...the illegal immigration will not stop. It will just give more illegals a place to stay.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: bctbct
The problem with allowing more in legally...the illegal immigration will not stop. It will just give more illegals a place to stay.

That's why we need a fence and the people we do let in need to be clear to become full fledged US citizens.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bctbct
The problem with allowing more in legally...the illegal immigration will not stop. It will just give more illegals a place to stay.

That's why we need a fence.

Yep, if we can put a man in space...no reason we cant build a fence

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In fact lets award it to company from mexico so we can get it done cheaper

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bctbct
The problem with allowing more in legally...the illegal immigration will not stop. It will just give more illegals a place to stay.

That's why we need a fence.

Yep, if we can put a man in space...no reason we cant build a fence

edit

In fact lets award it to company from mexico so we can get it done cheaper

I'm an asshat about this issue because I think we have already bent over backwards trying to be fair. I'm to the point that I think we should start arresting some of the illegals and use them to build the fence. They like to work cheap, let's accomodate them one more time.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bctbct
The problem with allowing more in legally...the illegal immigration will not stop. It will just give more illegals a place to stay.

That's why we need a fence.

Yep, if we can put a man in space...no reason we cant build a fence

edit

In fact lets award it to company from mexico so we can get it done cheaper

I'm an asshat about this issue because I think we have already bent over backwards trying to be fair. I'm to the point that I think we should start arresting some of the illegals and use them to build the fence. They like to work cheap, let's accomodate them one more time.

You think illegals can just be found and arrested?
a) that costs even more money
b) many remain undetected
c) the only thing you lose by not recognizing them is income tax
d) you are already paying for them

Your point of view is completely impractical.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
You currently are supporting the illegals, the only thing you are missing out on is the income tax you refuse to take from them when you keep them as illegals.

As for the Mexico issue, I think the US could swallow the whole country if it wanted to;

That is one thing I agree on.

Making Mexico the 51st state would instantly eliminate the problem.

The banks would be linked so all that untaxed money going to Mexico stays in the U.S. reserves and instantly add everyone possible to the IRS hit list.

Wouldn't there be illegals from central america coming into the newly merged US/Mexico?

Dave not thinking through his ideas again...

Wrong again. Shakes head, I'm not surprised.

It's a lot shorter of a distance to put up a wall across the Central America Penisula

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bctbct
The problem with allowing more in legally...the illegal immigration will not stop. It will just give more illegals a place to stay.

That's why we need a fence.

Yep, if we can put a man in space...no reason we cant build a fence

edit

In fact lets award it to company from mexico so we can get it done cheaper

I'm an asshat about this issue because I think we have already bent over backwards trying to be fair. I'm to the point that I think we should start arresting some of the illegals and use them to build the fence. They like to work cheap, let's accomodate them one more time.

You think illegals can just be found and arrested?
a) that costs even more money
b) many remain undetected
c) the only thing you lose by not recognizing them is income tax
d) you are already paying for them

Your point of view is completely impractical.

Express your dissatisfaction at the voting booth then, I plan to express mine there.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
You currently are supporting the illegals, the only thing you are missing out on is the income tax you refuse to take from them when you keep them as illegals.

As for the Mexico issue, I think the US could swallow the whole country if it wanted to;

That is one thing I agree on.

Making Mexico the 51st state would instantly eliminate the problem.

The banks would be linked so all that untaxed money going to Mexico stays in the U.S. reserves and instantly add everyone possible to the IRS hit list.

Wouldn't there be illegals from central america coming into the newly merged US/Mexico?

Dave not thinking through his ideas again...

Wrong again. Shakes head, I'm not surprised.

It's a lot shorter of a distance to put up a wall across the Central America Penisula

It's also a shorter distance for Cubans.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt
So I'm only allowed to comment when we agree on something?

My views are just as valid and worthwhile as yours...just because I live in a different country doesn't mean I can't give a point of view.

Next time you comment on anything other than the US...just remember the dumbass comments you are making here.

No they are not valid at all.

Do you pay taxes here in the U.S.? To support the illegals?

Has your town in Canada been completely overrun with a foreign language that you can't even tell your in Canada anymore?

If the answers to these questions is NO, you have NO right to a "valid" opinion.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bctbct
The problem with allowing more in legally...the illegal immigration will not stop. It will just give more illegals a place to stay.

That's why we need a fence.

Yep, if we can put a man in space...no reason we cant build a fence

edit

In fact lets award it to company from mexico so we can get it done cheaper

I'm an asshat about this issue because I think we have already bent over backwards trying to be fair. I'm to the point that I think we should start arresting some of the illegals and use them to build the fence. They like to work cheap, let's accomodate them one more time.

You think illegals can just be found and arrested?
a) that costs even more money
b) many remain undetected
c) the only thing you lose by not recognizing them is income tax
d) you are already paying for them

Your point of view is completely impractical.

Express your dissatisfaction at the voting booth then, I plan to express mine there.

And which party expresses your views?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
So I'm only allowed to comment when we agree on something?

My views are just as valid and worthwhile as yours...just because I live in a different country doesn't mean I can't give a point of view.

Next time you comment on anything other than the US...just remember the dumbass comments you are making here.

No they are not valid at all.

Do you pay taxes here in the U.S.? To support the illegals?

Has your town in Canada been completely overrun with a foreign language that you can't even tell your in Canada anymore?

If the answers to these questions is NO, you have NO right to a "valid" opinion.

Stunt's smarter then us, just ask him. He even has a link in his sig to piece of paper that proves it.