imagine what would happen if division by 0 was possible?

brianmanahan

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if there was a universe where division by 0 was possible, it would be incredible!

i think you could legitimately have ftl travel, and wizards, because energy and mass would not be conserved!

it would be insanely cool
 

IEC

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disappoint

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You know what's really "cool"? The universe you're actually in. Study it sometime between nefs.
 

IronWing

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if there was a universe where division by 0 was possible, it would be incredible!

i think you could legitimately have ftl travel, and wizards, because energy and mass would not be conserved!

it would be insanely cool
It is possible, the result is simply undefined. It's wide open. You can define it any way you choose. Total freedom. So be free, be whatever you are, do whatever you want to do, just so long as you don't hurt anybody, and remember, I am your friend.
 

Ichinisan

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It is possible, the result is simply undefined. It's wide open. You can define it any way you choose. Total freedom. So be free, be whatever you are, do whatever you want to do, just so long as you don't hurt anybody, and remember, I am your friend.

Thanks for this.

I just tried it and got superpowers.
 

Leafy

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You can divide by zero, but unfortunately it isn't very useful.

The rationals (fractions; numbers like [ieq] \frac{a}{b} [/ieq]) are usually defined such that [ieq] b [/ieq] is not zero, so suppose we get rid of this constraint. Then we can define a number [ieq] \phi [/ieq] such that [ieq] \phi = \frac{a}_{0} [/ieq]. Under the usual rules we can know that therefore [ieq] \phi * 0 = a [/ieq], so thus [ieq] 0 = a [/ieq]. Notice that we could have chosen any [ieq] a [/ieq], so allowing division by zero "forces" us to conclude that there is only one number with zero as its denominator, namely the one with zero as the numerator. At this point we start to realize that this number is pretty anomalous, if it's indeed a number at all.

Other rules go out the window as well. We also have a rule for fractions, called an equivalence relation, that tells us when two fractions are equal - namely exactly when [ieq] \frac{a}{b} = \frac{p}{q} [/ieq] is true. This rule is cross-multiplying - we say two fractions are equal if and only f [ieq] aq = bp [/ieq]. Suppose we want to check if some rational [ieq] \theta [/ieq] is equal to [ieq] \phi [/ieq]. If [ieq] \theta = \frac{m}{n} [/ieq] then [ieq] \theta = \phi [/ieq] if and only if [ieq] m * 0 = n * 0 [/ieq]. We didn't specify [ieq] m [/ieq] and [ieq] n [/ieq] - this equation is always true. So [ieq] \phi [/ieq] is equal to every other rational. This exposes the degeneracy of the concept of dividing by zero. You can investigate other properties of this "number", but it quickly becomes apparent that it really doesn't belong.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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You can divide by zero, but unfortunately it isn't very useful.

The rationals (fractions; numbers like [ieq] \frac{a}{b} [/ieq]) are usually defined such that [ieq] b [/ieq] is not zero, so suppose we get rid of this constraint. Then we can define a number [ieq] \phi [/ieq] such that [ieq] \phi = \frac{a}_{0} [/ieq]. Under the usual rules we can know that therefore [ieq] \phi * 0 = a [/ieq], so thus [ieq] 0 = a [/ieq]. Notice that we could have chosen any [ieq] a [/ieq], so allowing division by zero "forces" us to conclude that there is only one number with zero as its denominator, namely the one with zero as the numerator. At this point we start to realize that this number is pretty anomalous, if it's indeed a number at all.

Other rules go out the window as well. We also have a rule for fractions, called an equivalence relation, that tells us when two fractions are equal - namely exactly when [ieq] \frac{a}{b} = \frac{p}{q} [/ieq] is true. This rule is cross-multiplying - we say two fractions are equal if and only f [ieq] aq = bp [/ieq]. Suppose we want to check if some rational [ieq] \theta [/ieq] is equal to [ieq] \phi [/ieq]. If [ieq] \theta = \frac{m}{n} [/ieq] then [ieq] \theta = \phi [/ieq] if and only if [ieq] m * 0 = n * 0 [/ieq]. We didn't specify [ieq] m [/ieq] and [ieq] n [/ieq] - this equation is always true. So [ieq] \phi [/ieq] is equal to every other rational. This exposes the degeneracy of the concept of dividing by zero. You can investigate other properties of this "number", but it quickly becomes apparent that it really doesn't belong.

Now that is cool.
 

ScoobMaster

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As I told my son when he started learning division...
"How do you cut something into ZERO parts?"

His answer:

"Dad, just EAT the whole pizza. - then it is gone - zero parts"

Essentially, isn't dividing by zero by definition COMPLETE destruction (NOTHING left = 0 parts)
 

JoetheLion

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if there was a universe where division by 0 was possible, it would be incredible!

i think you could legitimately have ftl travel, and wizards, because energy and mass would not be conserved!

it would be insanely cool

Some men just want to watch the world burn...
 

Braznor

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Once quantum computers are completely possible, it will be interesting to note the output of a divisor computation involving one qubit of information and another qubit of 'null' information.
 

exdeath

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You already can divide by zero, and you can make the result anything you want in the exception/interrupt handler.

Instead of killing the process you could silently set the result to 42.
 
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JoetheLion

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You already can divide by zero, and you can make the result anything you want in the exception/interrupt handler.

Instead of killing the process you could silently set the result to 42.

But if you put it into an equation where 0 equals 42, that would mean that the life has no meaning. :eek:
 

Eureka

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Whut?

Math is a language. It's an arbitrary way of relating concepts in the real world. There are times where this language fails or our concepts are incomplete. This is why we can do things like divide by 0, but it won't mean anything because while it's provided for in the language, it just has no real world concept.

Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. Just because I can make up a sentence and have it be grammatically correct doesn't mean it means anything. Same thing with dividing by zero.