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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Wheres the data to back this theory up?

Okay, you got me. Nobody bothers doing studies on something so fvcking obvious.

Sort of like its obvious that state laws not allowing Cousins to marry because of genetic defects appears to be a bit wrong now based on this study?

Yeah the word is black and white...everything is obvious. No grey areas.
 
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Wheres the data to back this theory up?

Okay, you got me. Nobody bothers doing studies on something so fvcking obvious.

Sort of like its obvious that state laws not allowing Cousins to marry because of genetic defects appears to be a bit wrong now based on this study?

Yeah the word is black and white...everything is obvious. No grey areas.

Who said anything about genetic defects? All I said is that cousins are usually born from a family member and an unrelated person.
 
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Wheres the data to back this theory up?

Okay, you got me. Nobody bothers doing studies on something so fvcking obvious.

Sort of like its obvious that state laws not allowing Cousins to marry because of genetic defects appears to be a bit wrong now based on this study?

Yeah the word is black and white...everything is obvious. No grey areas.
What state has a law not allowing cousins to marry?😕 Link?

 
Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Wheres the data to back this theory up?

Okay, you got me. Nobody bothers doing studies on something so fvcking obvious.

Sort of like its obvious that state laws not allowing Cousins to marry because of genetic defects appears to be a bit wrong now based on this study?

Yeah the word is black and white...everything is obvious. No grey areas.
What state has a law not allowing cousins to marry?😕 Link?

Every state today has a statute defining eligibility for marriage, and each and every one prohibits marriages between parents and children, sisters and brothers, uncles and nieces, and aunts and nephews. Some prohibit all ancestor/descendant marriages, regardless of degree. Four states extend the prohibition to marriages between parents and their adopted children.

Twenty-four states prohibit marriages between first cousins, and another seven permit them only under special circumstances. Utah, for example, permits first cousins to marry only provided both spouses are over age 65, or at least 55 with evidence of sterility. North Carolina permits first cousins to marry unless they are "double first cousins" (cousins through more than one line). Maine permits first cousins to marry only upon presentation of a certificate of genetic counseling. The remaining nineteen states and the District of Columbia permit first-cousin marriages without restriction.

Link that Pepsei provided
 
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Wheres the data to back this theory up?

Okay, you got me. Nobody bothers doing studies on something so fvcking obvious.

Sort of like its obvious that state laws not allowing Cousins to marry because of genetic defects appears to be a bit wrong now based on this study?

Yeah the word is black and white...everything is obvious. No grey areas.

Who said anything about genetic defects? All I said is that cousins are usually born from a family member and an unrelated person.

Ok my example went over your head apparently. My point was...without a study, thinking something that MIGHT be true..and what IS true..are two different things. It's a MYTH that cousins have webfeet babies. Now reports show that there is only a 2% difference between normal unrelated couples. See my point? You can THINK something is one way...but without proof you really have no idea what the truth is.
 
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Ok my example went over your head apparently. My point was...without a study, thinking something that MIGHT be true..and what IS true..are two different things. It's a MYTH that cousins have webfeet babies. Now reports show that there is only a 2% difference between normal unrelated couples. See my point? You can THINK something is one way...but without proof you really have no idea what the truth is.

I don't really care about the 2% number. I have no idea whether there are genetic defects between relative or not. I've never done any research on it. But it is fallacious--assuming the one argument is that procreation between relatives leads to problems because of genetic similarity--to equate a child born from siblings to a child born from cousins, because of genetic differences between a sibling and a cousin.
 
Some have suggested that the incest taboo is a social mechanism to reduce the chances of congenital birth-defects that can result from inbreeding. Scientists have generally rejected this as an explanation for the incest taboo for two reasons. First, in many societies partners with whom marriage is forbidden and partners with whom marriage is preferred are equally related in genetic terms; the inbreeding argument would not explain the incest taboo in these societies. Second, the inbreeding argument oversimplifies the consequences of inbreeding in a population. Inbreeding leads to an increase in homozygocity, that is, the same allele at the same locus on both members of a chromosome pair. This occurs because close relatives are more likely to share more alleles than nonrelated individuals. If an individual has an allele linked to a congenital birth defect, it is likely that close relatives also have this allele; a homozygote would express the congenital birth defect. If an individual does not have such an allele, a homozygote would be healthy. Thus, the frequency of a defect-carrying gene in a population may go up, or down, when inbreeding occurs.

from here
 
Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Wheres the data to back this theory up?

You're making it sound like he's stating some radical theory. A cousin will have the same grandparents (on one side) as you, but they will also have genes from a completely unrelated person (your aunt/uncle's spouse). A sibling, on the other hand, has the same mother as you, and the same father as you. A much higher percentage of genes will be common.
 
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Ok my example went over your head apparently. My point was...without a study, thinking something that MIGHT be true..and what IS true..are two different things. It's a MYTH that cousins have webfeet babies. Now reports show that there is only a 2% difference between normal unrelated couples. See my point? You can THINK something is one way...but without proof you really have no idea what the truth is.

I don't really care about the 2% number. I have no idea whether there are genetic defects between relative or not. I've never done any research on it. But it is fallacious--assuming the one argument is that procreation between relatives leads to problems because of genetic similarity--to equate a child born from siblings to a child born from cousins, because of genetic differences between a sibling and a cousin.

No, but if you review the data you will see that genetic similarities do not necessarily cause genetic mutations as much as it was once feared. At least you have a building block for data. I admit that the cause is possibly a bit greater between actual sister and brother, but that does not mean its some outrageous percentage. It's still possible to have healthy children between the two. Where you probably get into a greater percentage is if the family continues to be incestuous.

Either way it's sick sick sick. This case it's just an accident.
 
Originally posted by: LikeLinus

No, but if you review the data you will see that genetic similarities do not necessarily cause genetic mutations as much as it was once feared. At least you have a building block for data. I admit that the cause is possibly a bit greater between actual sister and brother, but that does not mean its some outrageous percentage. .

Interesting link

You're right that the percentage is not very high. It does get higher, but it's not as extreme as one would think.
 
BTW, how dumb can this couple be that they never talked about their childhood and realized that their mothers had the same name, their fathers had the same name, they had the same aunts and uncles, they lived in the same town, etc?

Usually when you're talking to someone and they tell you about a person/place that's familiar to you, you go into more detail about it. How couldn't they figure out the most obvious of things?
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
BTW, how dumb can this couple be that they never talked about their childhood and realized that their mothers had the same name, their fathers had the same name, they had the same aunts and uncles, etc?

They were seperated at age 5 and 8. Granted the 8 yr old should know some stuff..but the 5 year old? Most people do not know what they did at 5.
 
Originally posted by: Pepsei
that's alright, in west viginia or (insert an incest famous state of your choice), this doesn't usually happen as a suprise.

The old saying...

Any girl who ain't good enough for her own family ain't good enough for ours either! :Q

😛
 
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Wheres the data to back this theory up?

Okay, you got me. Nobody bothers doing studies on something so fvcking obvious.

Sort of like its obvious that state laws not allowing Cousins to marry because of genetic defects appears to be a bit wrong now based on this study?

Yeah the word is black and white...everything is obvious. No grey areas.
What state has a law not allowing cousins to marry?😕 Link?

Every state today has a statute defining eligibility for marriage, and each and every one prohibits marriages between parents and children, sisters and brothers, uncles and nieces, and aunts and nephews. Some prohibit all ancestor/descendant marriages, regardless of degree. Four states extend the prohibition to marriages between parents and their adopted children.

Twenty-four states prohibit marriages between first cousins, and another seven permit them only under special circumstances. Utah, for example, permits first cousins to marry only provided both spouses are over age 65, or at least 55 with evidence of sterility. North Carolina permits first cousins to marry unless they are "double first cousins" (cousins through more than one line). Maine permits first cousins to marry only upon presentation of a certificate of genetic counseling. The remaining nineteen states and the District of Columbia permit first-cousin marriages without restriction.

Link that Pepsei provided
Heh, NC was the state I was interested in, because I know some 1st cousins who married. I thought about doing it myself once.:Q



 
Originally posted by: Muadib
Heh, NC was the state I was interested in, because I know some 1st cousins who married. I thought about doing it myself once.:Q

I have a huge family and some attractive cousins. 😱
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The couple has four children, aged between 14 years and 14 months. :shocked:

What's so surprising about that? My mom and her oldest sibling are separated by 20 years.
 
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Ok my example went over your head apparently. My point was...without a study, thinking something that MIGHT be true..and what IS true..are two different things. It's a MYTH that cousins have webfeet babies. Now reports show that there is only a 2% difference between normal unrelated couples. See my point? You can THINK something is one way...but without proof you really have no idea what the truth is.

I don't really care about the 2% number. I have no idea whether there are genetic defects between relative or not. I've never done any research on it. But it is fallacious--assuming the one argument is that procreation between relatives leads to problems because of genetic similarity--to equate a child born from siblings to a child born from cousins, because of genetic differences between a sibling and a cousin.

Yes I'm Mr. big shot, I don't care about statistics, just what I think and believe because I'm a geenus.
 
Originally posted by: Koenigsegg
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The couple has four children, aged between 14 years and 14 months. :shocked:

What's so surprising about that? My mom and her oldest sibling are separated by 20 years.

The age difference isn't the suprise, it's the fact that brother and sister have 4 kids together.
 
A single generation of inbreeding isn't a big deal in places like the United States because everybody is so genetically "far" from eachother.

It would take many generations of successive inbreeding to produce genetic defects in todays population.. of course depending on the genetic status of the two you started with.

<-- Not a geneticist, just using some logic
 
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