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ImageQuest L90D+ 19" LCD Monitor 8ms DVI $379
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I hooked up my new L90D+ from TigerDirect (Great service - they shipped my replacement out the same day I called and had it in 2 days!) but unfortunately it has 2 lit pixels. I can live with 2 lit pixels if they are out of the way, but one of them is bright green and just slightly above the center of the screen. I see it in everything I do, game, web surf, program, whatever. Should I bother trying to get it replaced again? It is going to end up costing quite a bit for return shipping. I have 2 other L90D+'s and they are great - one from Newegg (perfect) and one from CompUSA (2 very dim lit pixels, only noticible from ~ 6 inches). I still think these are the best monitors for the price.
MadScientist
Platinum Member
I'd ship it back if it the lit pixels are bothersome. I'm surprised Tiger Direct has such a lenient replacement policy on the number of dead/stuck pixels. Newegg's is 8 or more. My L90D+ from CompUSA also has 2 stuck on pixels. Here's Hyundai's current replacement policy:
"Dear sir,
Unfortunately our Pixel policy is 5 or more Dead pixels. Even with today's
LCD technology can not approve 100% LCD perfect LCD panel. Less than 5 Dead
pixels is not a defective one under the hyundai imagequest warranty policy."
Andy Chia/RMA
Hyundai Monitor Service Division
777 Mark St.
Wood Dale IL 60191
Phone 800-568-0060 or 630-595-0123
Fax: 800-784-9422 or 630-595-2345
imported_burningrave101
Senior member
Not in Digital mode they wont. In Analog the L90D+ will do do 75Hz and in digital its 60Hz. There really isn't a noticeable difference between the two though because an LCD doesn't fucntion like a CRT does. The only real difference will be the fact that you'll be capped to 60 fps in games in DVI mode because of v-sync.
What contrast and brightness you guys use for the DVI inputs? I can't seem to find a good one right now, but I'm currently using 25% brightness and 100% contrast. Anything over 35% brightness makes me eyes hurt on white backgrounds like this one. Btw, I tested with the color profile that came with the drivers CD, but apparently it has no effect whatsoever... does anyone know what it supposed to do?
I keep it at the default settings. I think it looks great. Also, I called TigerDirect about my second monitor having 2 lit pixels with the bright green one near the center and they are allowing me to exchange it for yet another one. The guy I spoke with said he could fully understand how a bright green pixel would be very annoying. He even offered to pay for the shipping back to TigerDirect! I know they get alot of dirt around here, but I for one am getting great service from them. It does suck that I have to keep sending these monitors back, but it's not there fault and they are handling the situation better than many places. I will be doing more business with them.
Muse
Lifer
So, if this has 24 bit color, what's the next step up? 32 bit? Is the 24 bit inherent in the Samsung panel or in the electronics?
I want to ask, though. I'm looking at the Planar PX191 right now, had it almost 1.5 years and it's been my everyday monitor the whole time. It's 25 ms response time (they all were back then), far worse than the 8 ms for the Hyundai L90D+, but it's got better rated viewing angles:
Vertical Viewing Angle: 170 degrees
Horizontal Viewing Angle: 170 degrees
However, the truth is that the Planar looks better when I'm looking right at the screen perpendicularly. I don't know what they are talking about with 170 degrees, 135 degrees, etc. Could someone explain?
If I move my head to the side so that the line intersecting my eyeball and the screen comes off of perpendicular by around 25 degrees (my estimate) I start seeing some deterioration. The color starts altering very quickly at this point and the sharpness of text is definitely compromised. Of course, as that angle increases, these effects worsen dramatically. This Planar presumably has much better viewing angles, at least based on those specs. I seem to sit around 24 inches inches from the screen and necessarily some parts of the screen (i.e. the edges) are viewed at angles, not straight on like the center of the screen. That's just the physics of it. I have to think that anybody would notice some problems at the edges. There is no doubt that I'm having that problem right now with my Planar. Wouldn't it be worse with the Hyundai L90D+? Reason I ask is that I'm considering buying this for a dual screen setup.
I want to ask, though. I'm looking at the Planar PX191 right now, had it almost 1.5 years and it's been my everyday monitor the whole time. It's 25 ms response time (they all were back then), far worse than the 8 ms for the Hyundai L90D+, but it's got better rated viewing angles:
Vertical Viewing Angle: 170 degrees
Horizontal Viewing Angle: 170 degrees
However, the truth is that the Planar looks better when I'm looking right at the screen perpendicularly. I don't know what they are talking about with 170 degrees, 135 degrees, etc. Could someone explain?
If I move my head to the side so that the line intersecting my eyeball and the screen comes off of perpendicular by around 25 degrees (my estimate) I start seeing some deterioration. The color starts altering very quickly at this point and the sharpness of text is definitely compromised. Of course, as that angle increases, these effects worsen dramatically. This Planar presumably has much better viewing angles, at least based on those specs. I seem to sit around 24 inches inches from the screen and necessarily some parts of the screen (i.e. the edges) are viewed at angles, not straight on like the center of the screen. That's just the physics of it. I have to think that anybody would notice some problems at the edges. There is no doubt that I'm having that problem right now with my Planar. Wouldn't it be worse with the Hyundai L90D+? Reason I ask is that I'm considering buying this for a dual screen setup.
Muse
Lifer
what about this monitor? link you get svideo, and composite inputs! I think more people should know about this monitor... It's a tv and a monitor in one for $392 shipped! Now, how can you beat that people! Could you get a 19" tv, and and a 19" LCD 12ms monitor for $392 shipped anyway else???
Bfonnes
Bfonnes
Muse
Lifer
Looks like a lot of the people who bought it are giving it 5/5 stars. Haven't read their reviews but just looking quickly, I notice it doesn't have height adjustment (based on what I see in the pictures) and the stated spec for contrast ratio is 500:1, inferior to the 700:1 for the Hyundai.
In my case, the composite and S-Video inputs aren't needed because I have these with two of my PC's components: both on my ti4600 video card and on my MyHD 120 HDTV card. Of course, I get a TV signal from the MyHD card. Note: This Sceptre monitor does not have a TV tuner. IOW, it's NOT a TV. To watch TV on it you'll need to feed it a signal from maybe a VCR.
Edit: I just noticed that the warranty isn't as good either: 1 year vs. 3 years on the Hyundai.
Edit 2: Of the 20 or so reviews of it at Newegg, only one person rated it less than 5 stars, a 4. It must be pretty good.
A couple of things:
1) Never rely solely on Newegg's reviews. They censor them in the products favor, especially when it's a hot seller. This has happened several times, most recently with a lousy planar LCD. I left a poor review after returning it (for which I took a double cross-country shipping hit) and this was never published.
2) To answer some questions:
@solarium: color profiles will not change the way the image looks to you. They are meant to match what you see on the screen with, say, the output of a color printer or the color profile of a graphics app.
@MJGunn: The high resolution and detail of most LCDs will make the artifacts inherent in the Divx compression process all the more obvious. Then again, even DVD suffers maximized at 1280x1024. Not a problem if you move a few feet back.
@Muse: The L90D+ is a 6-bit panel. it uses dithering to approximate the 16.7million colors of 24-bit quality. Like 24-bit, 32-bit also has 16.7million colors, the extra bits are implemented in 3D (OpenGL and DirectX) functions.
1) Never rely solely on Newegg's reviews. They censor them in the products favor, especially when it's a hot seller. This has happened several times, most recently with a lousy planar LCD. I left a poor review after returning it (for which I took a double cross-country shipping hit) and this was never published.
2) To answer some questions:
@solarium: color profiles will not change the way the image looks to you. They are meant to match what you see on the screen with, say, the output of a color printer or the color profile of a graphics app.
@MJGunn: The high resolution and detail of most LCDs will make the artifacts inherent in the Divx compression process all the more obvious. Then again, even DVD suffers maximized at 1280x1024. Not a problem if you move a few feet back.
@Muse: The L90D+ is a 6-bit panel. it uses dithering to approximate the 16.7million colors of 24-bit quality. Like 24-bit, 32-bit also has 16.7million colors, the extra bits are implemented in 3D (OpenGL and DirectX) functions.
Muse
Lifer
If Newegg censors their reviews I'm never going to leave any.
What Planar panel did you have problems with?
If the L90D+ has less than the greatest color fidelity I for one would probably never stand the ghost of a chance of noticing it, inasmuch as I'm partially colorblind. What I'm really concerned about more than anything with this monitor is problems due to viewing angles (I already consider that a problem with my Planar PX191, which is claimed to have 170 degree viewing angles, V and H) and the possibility I'll get one with dead pixels (that I'll notice).
I apologize: to correct, it was a lousy PRINCETON (Synergy) *not* a Planar. I have no experience with Planar panels.
Muse: check the Tom's hardware review on the L90D+ which is very positive on all aspects *but* view angles.
MJGunn: The problem lies in high native resolutions. Remember, DVDs are 720x480. Divx is almost always less.
Muse: check the Tom's hardware review on the L90D+ which is very positive on all aspects *but* view angles.
MJGunn: The problem lies in high native resolutions. Remember, DVDs are 720x480. Divx is almost always less.
Muse
Lifer
Yes, I read that and I think you are probably referring more than anything to this:
"Screening films, on the other hand, was a disappointing experience. There was a little video noise here and there, but the biggest problems were caused by the viewing angles, which were too narrow. If you watch DVDs with friends, the viewers won't all experience the same image quality. While this is generally true of most LCD monitors, the narrow viewing angles are a real drawback on this monitor. A shame."
That would seem to suggest it's more than anything a problem when more than one person is viewing. In fact, that shouldn't happen in my situation. Movies, HDTV (via my MyHD card) I prefer to display with my front projector. I may watch some movies on it, though. I wonder how good it is for single person movie viewing. Maybe it's not really the right LCD for me. I'm not really a gamer, so the response times aren't a biggie for me, although I have some games and will play some. If response times are really a tradeoff with viewing angles, maybe I'd have been better off getting an LCD with lesser response times and greater viewing angles. My most important criteria for an LCD is text sharpness, ergonomics in pretty much everyday computer stuff including graphics sometimes.
I have a sense that it'll be OK. People aren't complaining about the viewing angles particularly, and I can adjust the position of the display to reduce that problem so I figure it's no big problem. I've been thinking about getting a second 19" LCD for a while. The Planar's are still pretty expensive. This Hyundai looks very similar to my Planar, both have adjustable height, and side to side adjustment, up down adjustment, a bezel that looks very very similar all the way around AFAICT. Only the color will differ (basically of the bezel, which is all you will notice), and I figure that's no problem. They should look almost like twins, I figure. 🙂 Edit: Twins of a different color.
rivethead
Platinum Member
osan001
Would you mind PM me with your contact name and info at TigerDirect?
I also ordered this LCD from them and I love it.....except for the one stuck green pixel in the exact center of the monitor.
I know it's only one pixel and if it were any place else, I'd probably ignore it. But it's in the center right at eye level.
I like to see if TigerDirect would consider sending me a new one as well.
TIA
Would you mind PM me with your contact name and info at TigerDirect?
I also ordered this LCD from them and I love it.....except for the one stuck green pixel in the exact center of the monitor.
I know it's only one pixel and if it were any place else, I'd probably ignore it. But it's in the center right at eye level.
I like to see if TigerDirect would consider sending me a new one as well.
TIA
Muse
Lifer
That doesn't surprise me. I figure I'm going to be watching any Divx videos I have (I have a couple or so right now) on my 20" TV via my Philips DVP642 DVD/Divx player, hooked up by way of S-Video. The inadequacies of Divx won't be so apparent that way. Normally, I don't deal with Divx, just DVD's and DTV/HDTV. Some things work better in something like Divx than others, of course.
Is the fact that divx don't look good on this monitor a knock on the monitor or do some monitors do materially better. I guess that's the question here.
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