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I'm working with a student who punched his mom in the face...

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I'm a special education major and I'm in the junior practicum program at my University. To complete the program we have to visit 4 sites at our local public and private schools. I'm at my 3rd site and we are working with students who are in grades 6-8. These students are bad. All have emotional and behavioral problems and have tremoundous problems at home and at school. The one student that I'm working with has punched his mother in the face over an argument they had last week. His mom didn't press charges, but he needs to seek anger management classes. We'll anyway... I'm working with this child and he seems pretty responsive to me. Maybe it's because he doesn't have a father in his life? Kinda sad.

But how would you treat this student if he was in your class? Would you monitor his behavior a bit more then the other students in the classroom? Would you consider this student to be a risk, especially since you know that he assaulted his mother.

 
If that kid was near me and I saw him do that to his mother, I'd kick his ass and make sure he had the marks to prove it.
 
If that kid was near me and I saw him do that to his mother, I'd kick his ass and make sure he had the marks to prove it.
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He should definitely not be in any doubt about his actions being wrong, but I'm guessing that "kicking his butt" won't help his mother.

Andy
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
If that kid was near me and I saw him do that to his mother, I'd kick his ass and make sure he had the marks to prove it.
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Violence doesn't solve anything. If you were to do that, the child would just become more violent. It's been proven that children who are subjected to violence become more violent later in life. Why do you think that children who witness the abusive relationship between father and mother usually do the same when they become adults.
 
Originally posted by: woowoo
Whats mom look like?
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Ahh.. I'm sure she doesn't look to good. The child is poor, so I suspect the mom doesn't have any money for cosmetic surgery.



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Originally posted by: tec699
I'm a special education major and I'm in the junior practicum program at my University. To complete the program we have to visit 4 sites at our local public and private schools. I'm at my 3rd site and we are working with students who are in grades 6-8. These students are bad. All have emotional and behavioral problems and have tremoundous problems at home and at school. The one student that I'm working with has punched his mother in the face over an argument they had last week. His mom didn't press charges, but he needs to seek anger management classes. We'll anyway... I'm working with this child and he seems pretty responsive to me. Maybe it's because he doesn't have a father in his life? Kinda sad.

But how would you treat this student if he was in your class? Would you monitor his behavior a bit more then the other students in the classroom? Would you consider this student to be a risk, especially since you know that he assaulted his mother.
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Yup, I would definitely monitor his behavior because of his actions against his mom.
No right minded person would assult their mom unless that mom was a threat to your life or others.

I'm wondering about his dad, what was his dads reaction? That is if his dad lives with him and his mother.
 
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: Zakath15
If that kid was near me and I saw him do that to his mother, I'd kick his ass and make sure he had the marks to prove it.
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Violence doesn't solve anything. If you were to do that, the child would just become more violent. It's been proven that children who are subjected to violence become more violent later in life. Why do you think that children who witness the abusive relationship between father and mother usually do the same when they become adults.
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This kid is between the age of 11 and 14... imo, that's a little old to be that easily influenced by physical discipline, one way or the other. If someone hits a family member what are you going to tell him while/right after he did it? Slap his hand? Odds are this kid is about as tall as his mother, if not taller.

I'll be sure to tell him that what he did was wrong, after I'd knocked his ass across the room.
 
Originally posted by: SlowSS
Originally posted by: tec699
I'm a special education major and I'm in the junior practicum program at my University. To complete the program we have to visit 4 sites at our local public and private schools. I'm at my 3rd site and we are working with students who are in grades 6-8. These students are bad. All have emotional and behavioral problems and have tremoundous problems at home and at school. The one student that I'm working with has punched his mother in the face over an argument they had last week. His mom didn't press charges, but he needs to seek anger management classes. We'll anyway... I'm working with this child and he seems pretty responsive to me. Maybe it's because he doesn't have a father in his life? Kinda sad.

But how would you treat this student if he was in your class? Would you monitor his behavior a bit more then the other students in the classroom? Would you consider this student to be a risk, especially since you know that he assaulted his mother.
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Yup, I would definitely monitor his behavior because of his actions against his mom.
No right minded person would assult their mom unless that mom was a threat to your life or others.

I'm wondering about his dad, what was his dads reaction? That is if his dad lives with him and his mother.
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I agree.
 
what do you expect from "special" ed kids?

I really hate the term special education.

Special: Surpassing what is common or usual; exceptional: a special occasion; a special treat.
 
Originally posted by: tec699
I'm a special education major and I'm in the junior practicum program at my University.
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Shouldn't you already know the answer? Or at least be able to ask someone for advice form the faculty?
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15

This kid is between the age of 11 and 14... imo, that's a little old to be that easily influenced by physical discipline, one way or the other. If someone hits a family member what are you going to tell him while/right after he did it? Slap his hand? Odds are this kid is about as tall as his mother, if not taller.

I'll be sure to tell him that what he did was wrong, after I'd knocked his ass across the room.
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You'd be surprised how much behavior can be changed in that time frame.
 
Originally posted by: tec699
Maybe it's because he doesn't have a father in his life? Kinda sad.

But how would you treat this student if he was in your class? Would you monitor his behavior a bit more then the other students in the classroom? Would you consider this student to be a risk, especially since you know that he assaulted his mother.
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gee you think? naw, all he needs is a village, fathers aren't important

ok, enough sarcasm (for now 😉 )

i really have no idea how to do the kind of work you are talking about, so <insert grain of salt> i would just treat him the same. try to find out if there is some glimmer of interest in the kid for anything useful, be it computers, sports, etc. if you get a kid like that focused on a productive activity they WANT to do, it may take his focus off how bad a life he has/how much he has gotten screwed over by the world etc.

good luck! 🙂
 
There is such thing as respecting your elders. There is absolutely no reason to harm anyone who's not physically hurting you. I would have no problem decking that boy.
 
Originally posted by: notfred
what do you expect from "special" ed kids?

I really hate the term special education.

Special: Surpassing what is common or usual; exceptional: a special occasion; a special treat.
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Actually the term is now "teacher of the handicapped."

But what do you mean what do you expect from special ed kids? What is that suspossed to mean? That because they are labled as special ed, that they are going to be trouble?

I only need to remind you of those tragic school events that took place in the 90's. You know.. Columbine and such. Out of all those cases, not one of those students were in special education classes. Most were susposedly bright students who did well in the classroom.

 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: tec699
Maybe it's because he doesn't have a father in his life? Kinda sad.

But how would you treat this student if he was in your class? Would you monitor his behavior a bit more then the other students in the classroom? Would you consider this student to be a risk, especially since you know that he assaulted his mother.
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gee you think? naw, all he needs is a village, fathers aren't important

ok, enough sarcasm (for now 😉 )

i really have no idea how to do the kind of work you are talking about, so <insert grain of salt> i would just treat him the same. try to find out if there is some glimmer of interest in the kid for anything useful, be it computers, sports, etc. if you get a kid like that focused on a productive activity they WANT to do, it may take his focus off how bad a life he has/how much he has gotten screwed over by the world etc.

good luck! 🙂
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Yea.. thats the key. You have to give troubled children some hope and hope for the future. Because if they feel lost and that nothing matters then who knows how they might act later in life. Im my opinion, if a person has nothing to lose they are a very dangerous individual. Both to himself/herself and to society at large. It's kinda scary if you think about all the kids who don't have anything to live for. They need a future, but if we deny them this then our society will pay for it and it's not going to be pretty.



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Originally posted by: tec699
Im my opinion, if a person has nothing to lose they are a very dangerous individual. Both to himself/herself and to society at large.

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ding ding! you must have picked the right career, you have a good grasp on this, IMO 🙂
 
Treat him according to what he does in your class. If he behaves in your class, treat him like any other well-behaved student. People, especially children, will perform to your expectations. If you signal in any way that you consider him to be more violent than other kids, that may become self-fulfilling. Besides, you have no idea of the entirety of his life, or of what goes on at home with your other students. If you treat him a certain way based on what went on when you weren't there, in order to be fair, you have to investigate the home lives of the others and find out what violent tendencies they may have.

That's not practical, or your responsibility. You say he's responsive with you, good. Go with that. Because he fights with his mom, that is no indication that he will fight with you or fellow classmates. Basically, unless he does something at school that gives you concern, don't assume he will.
 
Originally posted by: tec699
They need a future, but if we deny them this then our society will pay for it and it's not going to be pretty.



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this may be a point of divergent opinion

there is a BIG difference between society denying someone an opportunity/future and giving people things on a silver platter

its the old give fish or teach to fish thing

if a person coming from that type of background thinks your above statement means that the govt should send them a check every month and they deserve to win the lottery and become rich/famous without WORKING for what they gain, then they are doomed

this is the sticky part, defining the role of govt and society and private persons/organizations in ensuring people aren't denied opportunities and hope to get to a "better place"
 
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Is this actual Special Ed or is it Resource?
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It's a self contained classroom. These students are seperated from the other "normal" students because they have have serious issues.
 
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: notfred
what do you expect from "special" ed kids?

I really hate the term special education.

Special: Surpassing what is common or usual; exceptional: a special occasion; a special treat.
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Actually the term is now "teacher of the handicapped."
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That's a better term.

But what do you mean what do you expect from special ed kids? What is that suspossed to mean? That because they are labled as special ed, that they are going to be trouble?
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I mean they wouldn't be in special ed if they didn't have mental probelms and/or psychological disorders. They don't put bright, well behaved kids in special ed.

I only need to remind you of those tragic school events that took place in the 90's. You know.. Columbine and such. Out of all those cases, not one of those students were in special education classes. Most were susposedly bright students who did well in the classroom.
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Because a smart kid goes on a killing rampage does not make the kids in special ed any more intelligent or less violent. (I'm not insinutaing that all special ed kids are violent, but as you've shown, at least 1 of them is)
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: tec699
They need a future, but if we deny them this then our society will pay for it and it's not going to be pretty.



🙁
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this may be a point of divergent opinion

there is a BIG difference between society denying someone an opportunity/future and giving people things on a silver platter

its the old give fish or teach to fish thing

if a person coming from that type of background thinks your above statement means that the govt should send them a check every month and they deserve to win the lottery and become rich/famous without WORKING for what they gain, then they are doomed

this is the sticky part, defining the role of govt and society and private persons/organizations in ensuring people aren't denied opportunities and hope to get to a "better place"
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I should have said ignore. If we ignore these students then we may pay for it later when they become adults. Some students need attention that is missing from their homes. How many times do we as a socitey just ignore the pleas of a student that is acting out? Columbine is a good example. No one really gave a rats ass and then BAM! Two students walk into there school and shoot up the place.

Of course I agree that the government shouldn't give people a free ride. But as with your lotttery example, why do you think that the poor play the lottery more then the middle and upper class? It's because they don't have any hope for a better future or they are betting that hope on a lottery ticket. Instead they should go to college or learn a trade. At least that's attainable, but if your betting your future on the lottery then you might as well as just give up.
 
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