I'm tired of companies skipping the number 4 in their product successions

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Mill

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Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: virtuamike
Originally posted by: BaboonGuy
you're a fool. it's no different that companies skipping 13 in america

Exactly. And yes, you're being a little racially insensitive calling them "backwards asians" considering Japan has some of the biggest banks in the freakin world. Let's see how far your cultural insensitivity gets you in the world of international finance.

** edit **

That was meant for original poster. Baboons are cool, I like baboons.

WTF, are you mentally retarded? Japan's banking power has been significantly reduced over the past decade, and US banks are King.

That doesn't really change the fact that this thread is still racist now, does it? Ad hominem is a logical fallacy, you know.

How is it racist? Are you saying that people who believe in superstition are not backwards? Would it have been better if he had said "some backwards people(who might possibly be of Asian descent(not that there's anything wrong with that)) are afraid of the number 4? And it is well known that China and India have higher birth rates than the EU or US.
 

JCE10

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: virtuamike
Originally posted by: BaboonGuy
you're a fool. it's no different that companies skipping 13 in america

Exactly. And yes, you're being a little racially insensitive calling them "backwards asians" considering Japan has some of the biggest banks in the freakin world. Let's see how far your cultural insensitivity gets you in the world of international finance.

** edit **

That was meant for original poster. Baboons are cool, I like baboons.

WTF, are you mentally retarded? Japan's banking power has been significantly reduced over the past decade, and US banks are King.

That doesn't really change the fact that this thread is still racist now, does it? Ad hominem is a logical fallacy, you know.

How is it racist? Are you saying that people who believe in superstition are not backwards? Would it have been better if he had said "some backwards people(who might possibly be of Asian descent(not that there's anything wrong with that)) are afraid of the number 4? And it is well known that China and India have higher birth rates than the EU or US.

I think you mean population growth. And China has a one child policy.

 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Glitchny
well winamp isnt number 5 cause they are scared of four, its cause they took the best parts of 3 and 2.. 3+2 = 5

I've got some swamp land to sell you down in Florida as well. That's just what they say in an excuse to cover up their catering to some bizarre superstition
 

Aves

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Glitchny
well winamp isnt number 5 cause they are scared of four, its cause they took the best parts of 3 and 2.. 3+2 = 5

I've got some swamp land to sell you down in Florida as well. That's just what they say in an excuse to cover up their catering to some bizarre superstition

When you get the money for that land come and see me. I have some tin foil hats to sell. Real cheap. :p
 

Nitemare

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An orgasm is also called a little death, does this mean that 3somes and 5somes rock, but don't do 4somes? Superstitions are as retarded as this way of thinking.

Skipping the #4 is a crock, just like skipping #13 is a crock. Hell, 13 is my favorite number, because as many people shun it = more luck for me.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: aves2k
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Glitchny
well winamp isnt number 5 cause they are scared of four, its cause they took the best parts of 3 and 2.. 3+2 = 5

I've got some swamp land to sell you down in Florida as well. That's just what they say in an excuse to cover up their catering to some bizarre superstition

When you get the money for that land come and see me. I have some tin foil hats to sell. Real cheap. :p

I'll take 4 please
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
13 being bad luck is annoying too, but it's a higher number than 4. I mean.. 4! It's a single digit number. Jesus! Cars have 4 wheels!

Why do you suppose all those wacky 3-wheeled oversized tricycles are so popular over there? :p

- M4H

i was trying to come up with a "Asians cant drive" joke based on it



but i cant :/
 

dman

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To get around the asian thing, how about:

v100b(inary)

or Sqrt(16)

or

vIV (roman numerals)

or

NT (uh, er, nevermind).




 

Mill

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Originally posted by: JCE10
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: virtuamike
Originally posted by: BaboonGuy
you're a fool. it's no different that companies skipping 13 in america

Exactly. And yes, you're being a little racially insensitive calling them "backwards asians" considering Japan has some of the biggest banks in the freakin world. Let's see how far your cultural insensitivity gets you in the world of international finance.

** edit **

That was meant for original poster. Baboons are cool, I like baboons.

WTF, are you mentally retarded? Japan's banking power has been significantly reduced over the past decade, and US banks are King.

That doesn't really change the fact that this thread is still racist now, does it? Ad hominem is a logical fallacy, you know.

How is it racist? Are you saying that people who believe in superstition are not backwards? Would it have been better if he had said "some backwards people(who might possibly be of Asian descent(not that there's anything wrong with that)) are afraid of the number 4? And it is well known that China and India have higher birth rates than the EU or US.

I think you mean population growth. And China has a one child policy.

You're wrong on both accounts.
 

C'DaleRider

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On Oct. 12, 1999, the United Nations announced that global population had reached the 6 billion mark, just 12 years after passing 5 billion. When will the world?s population reach 7 billion? According to the United Nations Population Division?s most recent projections, it could happen as early as 2011 or as late as 2015. The outcome depends greatly on birth rate trends in China and India, which are currently home to nearly 38 percent of the world?s population. China?s birth rate has been low for many years, with no apparent prospect of rising. In India, however, the birth rate?s decline has ended, at least for now, as higher fertility and slower decline in India?s populous northern states have begun to have a noticeable effect on national trends. But population trends remain difficult to predict, so it is impossible to say exactly when the world?s population will reach 7 billion.


Despite rising concern in the more developed countries over population decline and the consequent aging the population, there is little sign of any recovery in historically low birth rates in Europe and Japan. The impact of low birth rates is most evident in the aging of the population. The UN projection for southern Europe, for example, shows that even if the total fertility rate were to rise from the present level of 1.3 children per woman to 1.7 children per woman by 2040, the region?s population would still decline. At the same the percentage of the population above age 60 would rise from about 22 percent today to an unprecedented percent in 2050.

Currently, world population grows by a little over 79 million per year, roughly comparable to the population of Germany, the Philippines, or Vietnam. Almost 99 percent of natural increase (births minus deaths, disregarding any effects of migration) occurs in the less developed countries. The more developed countries as a group account for a mere 1.4 percent of natural increase, although there is wide regional variation: Europe?s population experiences a natural decrease of about 1.0 million per year, but the remaining countries and regions (Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and North America) have a natural increase of about 2.1 million.

Less developed countries, home to 81 percent of the world?s population, have 90 percent of the world?s births per year. But rates of infant mortality are significantly higher in those nations: Nearly 99 percent of infant deaths worldwide occur in less developed countries.

About 6.6 million people are added to the world?s population each month, equivalent to the population of Israel or El Salvador. The increase each week, at 1.5 million, is roughly equivalent to the population of Botswana. The number of people added annually to world population has been declining recently, reaching its most recent peak of about 87 million around 1990. The number added each year has peaked a number of times in the past, and has been strongly affected by changes in China?s birth rate. China and India account for a total of about one-third of births worldwide. Global growth will continue to reflect changes in the birth rates in such large countries. Should birth rates in those countries rise, global growth could reach yet another peak.



2002 World Population Data Sheet, produced by the WHO.

Those that bleat the Chinese, Japanese, and most other Asians are overpopulating should read some facts before showing their complete ignorance....or maybe they just like showing their A$$E$ off like that.
 

PanzerIV

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Originally posted by: aircooled
I'll sleep in the 13th room on the 4th floor in china town with broken mirrors under a ladder......

:Q You're gonna die!!! LOL
 

MAME

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Yeah, 4 is bad.
BTW, my Japanese gf and I started going out on April 4 (4/4 to the stupids).....Holy crap!@
 

C'DaleRider

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: JCE10
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: virtuamike
Originally posted by: BaboonGuy
you're a fool. it's no different that companies skipping 13 in america

Exactly. And yes, you're being a little racially insensitive calling them "backwards asians" considering Japan has some of the biggest banks in the freakin world. Let's see how far your cultural insensitivity gets you in the world of international finance.

** edit **

That was meant for original poster. Baboons are cool, I like baboons.

WTF, are you mentally retarded? Japan's banking power has been significantly reduced over the past decade, and US banks are King.

That doesn't really change the fact that this thread is still racist now, does it? Ad hominem is a logical fallacy, you know.

How is it racist? Are you saying that people who believe in superstition are not backwards? Would it have been better if he had said "some backwards people(who might possibly be of Asian descent(not that there's anything wrong with that)) are afraid of the number 4? And it is well known that China and India have higher birth rates than the EU or US.

I think you mean population growth. And China has a one child policy.

You're wrong on both accounts.

(BBC.......2000)
China is redoubling controversial efforts to control its population by limiting couples to one child.

The one-child policy was introduced to ensure that China, which has historically been prone to floods and famine, could feed all its people.

Government officials said the policy was a great success, preventing at least 250 million births since 1980.

An editorial in the Communist Party newspaper, The People's Daily, said: "We cannot just be content with the current success, we must make population control a permanent policy".

China's population is expected to increase from 1.26 billion at the end of last year to 1.6 billion in 2050.

Females killed

The 'one child' policy stipulates each couple living in the cities should only have one child, unless one or both of the couple are from an ethnic minority or they are both only children.



Baby boom: But many couples get round the laws

In most rural areas, a couple may have a second child after a break of several years.

Critics of the policy maintain it has led in some case to the killing of female infants because of the traditional preference for boys.

The number of men is thought to outnumber women in China by more than 60 million.

Last week it was reported that Chinese police had detained three officials who caused the death of a baby in central China while enforcing the birth control rules.

But it is common to find couples in the countryside, where 80% of the population live, with a large number of children.

Forced abortions

Despite forced abortions and severe financial penalties, many couples still get around the law by sending the pregnant woman to stay with relatives until the baby is born or claiming the newborn baby was adopted or belongs to a friend or relative.

Backed by the punitive sanctions, the 'one child' policy has generally worked in the cities.

The China Youth Daily said the 'one child' had also allowed many children in the countryside to get a better education.

The price of school fees has risen rapidly in the countryside - representing around 27% of the total budget of an average family with just one child, and therefore acts as a strong deterrent to having more children.

BBC....2000





Patrick Goodenough
CNS London Bureau Chief
February 14, 2001
London (CNSNews.com) - Shocking pictures of an apparent victim of China's "one-child policy" - a newborn baby girl lying dead in a gutter, ignored by passers-by - have prompted shock and revulsion in Britain.

The pictures, published in a UK newspaper Wednesday, come at a time British government officials are holding talks in China over human rights issues.

The U.S. administration is also this week expected to decide on whether to support an annual U.N. resolution condemning China's human rights record. Members of the Senate Tuesday introduced a resolution urging President Bush to "take the lead" in an international censure of Beijing.

The photographs were taken by a horrified visitor and smuggled out of China after police questioned her for photographing the dead child, and confiscated films.

The woman said the baby's naked body, spotted lying alongside a road in a small town in Hunan province, was still warm - she had clearly been dumped and had just died.

Many passers-by on their way to work ignored the child, the Mirror quoted her as saying, while some stopped to look, then walked on. Pictures showed life going on as normal, until an elderly man eventually put the tiny body into a box and carried it away.

The woman said she called the police, who took more than three hours to arrive. When they did, they questioned her for an hour, checked her identification papers, and took all her film, except for one she managed to hide.

Sex screening

China's population is expected to increase from 1.26 billion at the end of 1999 to 1.6 billion in 2050.

Under a "one-child policy," introduced in 1979 to help slow down the galloping population growth rate, parents are routinely sterilized, and face large fines if they have more than one child.

The government claims it has successfully prevented 250 million births since it was introduced.

But it has also been estimated that the policy has resulted in there being 60 million more males in China than females. Many parents, aware they will only have one child to look after them in their old age, want that child to be a son, say human rights campaigners.

As a result, parents who can afford it have their child screened in the womb, and then abort girls. Those who give birth to girls may abandon them or leave them to die.

Determination of gender during ultrasound scans has been officially banned for a number of years, but the practice continues. One 1999 report on the International Planned Parenthood Federation website says that between 500,000 and 750,000 unborn Chinese girls are aborted every year after sex screening.

Last August Western newspapers reported a case in which family planning officials had killed an unauthorized baby in front of its parents.

The Huang family already had three children when the mother fell pregnant again, according to the reports. Having botched an attempt to induce an abortion, family-planning officials then ordered the father to kill the newborn baby, which he instead tried to hide away. Eventually they found the baby boy and drowned him in a rice paddy, in front of the parents.

"China's population-control policies allow petty bureaucrats across the country a free hand to ruin people's lives as they extort bribes and gifts and dispense life-or-death decisions," one London newspaper reported at the time.

After a public outcry, authorities reportedly arrested three family planning officials.

According to information provided by the Chinese Embassy in the UK, the government views the policy as benefiting the whole of society. It insists that "forced abortion and sterilization are strictly prohibited by the Chinese laws and offenders will be punished according to law."

A Taiwan newspaper last December quoted the director of China's state family planning commission as admitting that the policy has led to forced abortions, sex-selective abortions, as well as infanticide and the abandonment of newly born baby girls.

But China would go on implementing the policy, he said, while continuing to oppose "coercion" and "induced abortion."

The policy has been relaxed in some areas, and some parents are allowed to have a second child, in return for paying a fee, often more than a year's wages.

De-sensitized

Britain's largest pro-life organization, Life, said that while the pictures were deeply upsetting, it was grateful to the photographer for getting out images depicting so vividly "the depths that China's so-called family-planning policy has sunk to."

Life spokesperson Nuala Scarisbrick commented on the obvious indifference of passers-by to the abandoned baby.

"Evidently in China they have become as de-sensitized to the horror of culling new-born children as we in the western world have become to destroying pre-born children."

Scarisbrick also used the opportunity to berate the UK government for funding international family-planning agencies that promote abortion. She called on the government to follow Bush's example, and stop using taxpayers' money to support them.

The human rights organization Amnesty International said while it did not have a position of the "one-child policy" itself, it was opposed to the resulting human rights violations.

"We believe the Chinese government should take action to ensure that its family planning officials do not commit human rights violations by making women have abortions, even physically detaining them to have abortions," said Amnesty's Isabel Kelly.

Gary Streeter, international development spokesman for the opposition Conservative Party, said Wednesday it was essential that the UK contributed in no way to "this appalling practice" and lobbied Beijing to ensure that it ends.

In a letter to International Development Secretary Clare Short, Streeter called for an extensive review of all UK-funded Chinese government and non-governmental bodies "to ensure that no British taxpayers' money is directly or indirectly supporting the one-child policy."

A spokesperson for Short said in response to queries that the department "does not fund population control in China or anywhere else."
China's 'One-Child Policy' Results In Forced Abortion, Infanticide


I haven't heard of this Chinese policy being terminated, so if it has, sorry.
 

nan0bug

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Speaking of chinese, I just want to state that 5 stars chinese buffet in lebanon, pennsylvania doesn't know how to make hunan style chicken worth a sh!t. I just bought some and it isnt even spicy AT ALL. I am a little pissed.
 

JCE10

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Originally posted by: nan0bug
Speaking of chinese, I just want to state that 5 stars chinese buffet in lebanon, pennsylvania doesn't know how to make hunan style chicken worth a sh!t. I just bought some and it isnt even spicy AT ALL. I am a little pissed.

Thats American-Chinese food, haha.
 

Mill

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C'DaleRider- What's your point? I never denied they didn't have a one child policy. I said he was wrong on both accounts that their population growth or their one child policy prevents their birth rate from being higher than ours. It is higher than eyes. I've known about China's population control since about 1994 when I read an article in Reader's Digest. You must have misunderstood me.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: JCE10
How is it racist? Are you saying that people who believe in superstition are not backwards? Would it have been better if he had said "some backwards people(who might possibly be of Asian descent(not that there's anything wrong with that)) are afraid of the number 4? And it is well known that China and India have higher birth rates than the EU or US.

I think you mean population growth. And China has a one child policy.

yup, chinese birth rates are actually slightly lower than the US. that is accounted for by differences in what counts as a live birth between the US and the rest of the world. indian birth rates are about 3x US rates.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: JCE10
How is it racist? Are you saying that people who believe in superstition are not backwards? Would it have been better if he had said "some backwards people(who might possibly be of Asian descent(not that there's anything wrong with that)) are afraid of the number 4? And it is well known that China and India have higher birth rates than the EU or US.

I think you mean population growth. And China has a one child policy.

yup, chinese birth rates are actually slightly lower than the US. that is accounted for by differences in what counts as a live birth between the US and the rest of the world. indian birth rates are about 3x US rates.

Yeah you are right about that. China has slipped over the past few years as I was looking back through the CIA World Fact book.
 

dfi

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It is kind of stupid. Especially since "4" and "death" sound similar, but not exactly the same. If I can remember correctly, chinese pronounciation is taught using alphabet-like characters. You put these characters together to form pronounciations. Some words may share pronounciations, and are distinguished by an additional marker that denotes pitch. And thus you have words that sound very similar except for pitch.

Some more chinese words factoid. Around this time of year (new year) you may start seeing some people hanging a chinese character on their doors/walls, etc. Usually the character is translated as "luck", or "good fortune". Well, they usually hang it upside down, since "upside down" in chinese sounds a lot like "arrived". So by hanging the word "good fortune" "upside down", it sounds like "good fortune has arrived".

dfi
 

LongCoolMother

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Originally posted by: screw3d
"Die" and "4" in mandarin are two completely different words, and sorta pronounced differently too. (si(3) for "die" and si(4) for "4").

Like many other grandma's stories, it's just another superstition.

its true. four in chinese is pronounced with a softer accent than the word death. its the same sound, just with a different tone.

i heard some hospitals in asian lands used to skip from floor 3 to 5. lol.