i'm thinking of going SMP....but INTEL!

[Barnaby W. Füi]

i know i could get a bp6 combo w/ some 500-ish celeries for around 100 bucks in FS/FT, they seem quite popular there. What about the VP6? It only takes P3's right, not cellies?

How would a dual celery 500/500 compare to a duron 750 (what i'm on now)???

i'm not doing any of this immediately, just looking at my options for the future.

oh and why am i not just getting a tbird/XP or something? well, i'm cheap, i am sick of the chipset BS i have to go through w/ AMD's, and i always hear really nice things about smp.

let the info spew forth!

 

[Diable]

Stick with what you have, dual PPGA Celerons can't touch your Duron.

 

[thomsbrain]

If you are doing something which is SMP-enabled, the 2 500's just might be a little quicker... the program Fair Use comes to mind. But in everyday tasks, and games, etc, the Duron will be faster.

 

[thomsbrain]

<< What about the VP6? It only takes P3's right, not cellies? >>



It will run Celerons, but only 1. Can't do SMP with the Coppermine Celerons.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

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<< What about the VP6? It only takes P3's right, not cellies? >>



It will run Celerons, but only 1. Can't do SMP with the Coppermine Celerons. >>



ah well, thats basically what i meant. no point in getting an smp board to use w/ 1 cpu

and........win2k is smp-compliant, diff apps will run on diff cpu's, and that would make a pretty big difference wouldnt it???

 

[borealiss]

stay with the duron. it's faster in general for day to day activities, unless you're gonna run a database server or something, in which the p3's might be better. i went from a dual celeron to a duron 800, then gave that to my parents and upgraded to a 1.33 ghz tbird. it's much faster. there's no point in investing in a dual celeron/p3 system with the added cost of a new mainboard and processors when you could say drop in a 1ghz + tbird in your current setup for much less and be faster at the same time.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

well the whole thing is, i'd like to ditch AMD for the time beign anyways, and intel stuff tends to be kind of expensive, so i figured a bp6 or a vp6 would be a good choice for a mix of price/performance, also i'd most definitely buy it used in FS/FT so i'd save some money there.

 

[Yoshi64]

My advice for a cheap, fast intel-upgrade is a Celeron-1200 (tualatin-core) and a Abit ST6.
Would cost you slightly over 200$. My 1200 does 1517 Mhz @ 1.5 V. 43 C full load, only with a Taisol CKG Copper HSF. Would probably go higher but I'm happy as it is.
And remember that the new celerons have 256 kb L2-cache (like a P3).

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

interesting suggestion, yoshi, i will definitely keep that in mind.

bump for more opinions

also, anyone know of a microATX i815 board that is a good motherboard? (and made by a decent mobo company like MSI, Asus or Abit, etc.) i was lookin for one and couldnt find one.

 

[oldfart]

A better bet than the C1.2 is the C1.1A and C1.0A that will be out in January. The 1.0A and 1.1A are like the 1.2, a Tualatin 100 MHz FSB 256K cache CPU. The Tually's can make it to 1.5 GHz pretty easily. The lower mulitplier of the 1.0 and 1.1's will make them better overclockers. The 1.0 @ 150 FSB = 1.5 GHz is my choice for the higher bandwidth. The 1.1 @ 136 FSB is good if your ram wont do 150 MHz.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

thx for the info old fart, i'd probably go for the 1.0 if i did get a tualatin at all, the cheaper the better my ram is crap so i wouldnt trust it above 133.

so it'd be a 1.33....not bad compared to my 750 now

what is up with celerons anyways? they have always been great for overclocking, why is that?

 

[oldfart]

I like the 1.0 @ 1.5. A 50% overclock is not bad. The CPU should be around $80. If your ram is crap, go for the 1.1. You will be able to get to ~ 1.5 GHz with the ram you have. It shouldn't cost all that much more than the 1.0.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

bump for more opinions

 

[zephyrprime]

You do realize that SMP is only good for multithreading apps don't you? So it'd only be good for Photoshop or running a server. On other programs, your dual Celeron 500's will run just like a single Celeron 500. A *downgrade* in performance. It won't help with any games you might have.

 

[Colt45]

<< You do realize that SMP is only good for multithreading apps don't you? So it'd only be good for Photoshop or running a server. On other programs, your dual Celeron 500's will run just like a single Celeron 500. A *downgrade* in performance. It won't help with any games you might have. >>



not really.. you can burn a cd and have a pile windows open at the same time and your computer won't grind to a halt..

an OS like win2k, XP pro, and NT spread the apps over the two cpus, so its a hella lot better for multi-tasking

 

[CocaCola5]

1 cpu + multitasking results in crashes and problems ihmo. I have dual celeron 400@475 on my MSI 694D(can take both PPGA and FCPGA) and like it more than my other 1.2 TB.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Huh I dont see how or why running multiple apps would crash you computer, that has nothing to do with # of cpu's are you on crack?

 

[Vrangel]

This thread is kinda funny. Everybody is talking about Celeron greatness,
yet nobody bothered to mention that Celeron2 cant do SMP...

 

[CocaCola5]

<< Huh I dont see how or why running multiple apps would crash you computer, that has nothing to do with # of cpu's are you on crack? >>





Ever try to do a burn session and then something else on a one cpu system, it just doesn't work too well.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

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<< You do realize that SMP is only good for multithreading apps don't you? So it'd only be good for Photoshop or running a server. On other programs, your dual Celeron 500's will run just like a single Celeron 500. A *downgrade* in performance. It won't help with any games you might have. >>



not really.. you can burn a cd and have a pile windows open at the same time and your computer won't grind to a halt..

an OS like win2k, XP pro, and NT spread the apps over the two cpus, so its a hella lot better for multi-tasking >>



thats what i was saying...of course i have no experience w/ smp but everyone that uses it seems to like it alot.

oh and i dont game so gaming performance is a moot point. however i do use linux and win2k, which both do well w/ smp.

 

[robg1701]

Hrm...do it all the time mate...not denying it aint gonna be better on an smp rig, but my Athlon 500 here dont have much in the way of problems in that dept with my 8x (ie non burnproof) Plextor.

 

[DSTA]

Like oldfart I'm kinda partial WR to the upcoming 0.13 micron "Tualarons". The 1.0A @ 1.5 sure looks promising, especially since the prices for the 1.0A and 1.1A are supposed to be the same as for the current 0.18 parts. I think I'll build a new box for me when they are finally out.

That said, I'm still using dual PII 450s on a Gigabyte 6BXD. A very nice combo in my experience, and I'm certainly not getting rid of it once my Tualaron is here. Battle tank is the best description really: slow on a straight line, but it turns on the spot - and the stabilty is legendary.

To help you decide for or against the BP6 (or SMP in general):

IMO the BP6 is not good with 500 or 400 PPGA celeries. You'll be locked at 66 or 75 MHz FSB with them, which really hurts performance. The 400 might take a 100 MHz FSB with drastic cooling measures and a lucky selection of late week chips, but your current setup would still be far more stable. Running 83 MHz FSB might get you in all kinds of troubles because of the highly overclocked PCI bus.

Best choice of CPUs for the BP6 would be socket 370 PPGA celerons 300A, 333 or 366 that can handle a 100 MHz FSB and clock at 450, 500, 550 MHz respectivly.

So let's say that you can find a real cheap combo of a BP6 and two 333s running at 500. Would you enjoy that more than your current Duron?

Stability would be BX typical as long as you don't use the onboard RAID controller (it plain sucks and is best left totally disabled), so that's a big plus.

Compared to your duron, raw speed would be similar at best in SMP aware apps, and much much slower in anything single threaded. Especially for 3D gaming the BP6 would be a massive step backwards (even with the handfull of SMP aware games).

But there's one biiig advantage of SMP that, depending on what you do with your computer, might be worth those downsides (and that's the reason I'll keep my dual box): your BP6 will be more like two celeron 500 machines in the same box, controlled by one keyboard and one screen, than a 1000 MHz machine.

 

[sitka]

Another way to blanket the smp experience is they will often make WORK a lot more fun.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

yeah i tend to notice when doing intensive things in linux like installing packages and/or compiling stuff, my mp3 playback tends to suffer. i'm also trying to move to linux completely (it'll be awhile, but i use it most of the time already), and i know linux works great w/ smp.

once again, gaming performance is not that big of a deal, and even if overall performance is not as good as my duron, its not a biggie, cus i gotta build my g/f a computer sometime and i can use the duron for that.

i'm not a speed freak, i can handle a small hit

 

[JohnnyPC]

<< Ever try to do a burn session and then something else on a one cpu system, it just doesn't work too well. >>



Well let's see...right now I have 7 IE6s open one of which I'm using to reply to this thread, 2 Agent newsreaders doing some classified downloading business, Money 2K, 2 windows explorers and an Adobe acrobat...

Oh yeah to get to your point I'm burning a 675 meg CD using CDRwin all on my single 500 Mhz P3...sounds like you need a reload or some new hardware...

Cheers!