I'm taking a stand!

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

a little? ahahahahaha. when smoking was allowed in bars it was like a smokestack in there. smoking and drinking goes hand in hand for close to all smokers. i do not miss the day i was hung over before hang over time because i was breathing in toxic chemicals all night in a bar.

So please explain to me why this is not an issue in huge cities like Miami where you got plenty of smokey bars/clubs and you also have a ton of places just like them where smoking is not permitted? What is so bad about having a little something for everyone?

why not have a tractor trailer exhaust bar? back the trucks up and let the carbon monoxide flow in. a little something for everyone especially those that want to off themselves quicker.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...9/AR2007012901158.html

"Adding confusion, people with lung cancer or cardiovascular disease are prone to amplify their recall of secondhand smoke exposure. Others will fib about being nonsmokers and will contaminate the results. More than two dozen causes of lung cancer are reported in the professional literature, and over 200 for cardiovascular diseases; their likely intrusions have never been credibly measured and controlled in secondhand smoke studies. Thus, the claimed risks are doubly deceptive because of interferences that could not be calculated and corrected."

I haven't seen a convincing study that shows second hand smoke as "That bad for you".

I can't imagine it even compares to any of you who live in a massive city, with all the cars that go by each and every day.

Smoking is ones choice, and if the bars want to allow it, they should be able to.

When did people become so quick to give up freedom of choice in this country?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

That makes entirely too much sense, thus the reason we must legislate it!

Tell that to the employees.

And OP - you're only taking half a stand. You should report them.

The employees choose to work in a smoking environment.

I also don't buy that they are going to get horrible death causing problems from a little bit of second hand smoke here and there in a bar.

Do a little research on second-hand smoke please.

 

[buck]

Have CasioTech write a letter for you....

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

a little? ahahahahaha. when smoking was allowed in bars it was like a smokestack in there. smoking and drinking goes hand in hand for close to all smokers. i do not miss the day i was hung over before hang over time because i was breathing in toxic chemicals all night in a bar.

So please explain to me why this is not an issue in huge cities like Miami where you got plenty of smokey bars/clubs and you also have a ton of places just like them where smoking is not permitted? What is so bad about having a little something for everyone?

why not have a tractor trailer exhaust bar? back the trucks up and let the carbon monoxide flow in. a little something for everyone especially those that want to off themselves quicker.

When did people become so quick to give up freedom of choice in this country?

See this is the slippery slope. Why can't I be given the freedom to go to any bar/restaurant I want and not be exposed to smoke? Why are "smoker's rights" to smoke wherever they want more important?

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

That makes entirely too much sense, thus the reason we must legislate it!

Tell that to the employees.

And OP - you're only taking half a stand. You should report them.

The employees choose to work in a smoking environment.

I also don't buy that they are going to get horrible death causing problems from a little bit of second hand smoke here and there in a bar.

Do a little research on second-hand smoke please.

Yeah..use a dose of salt, some common sense and read the studies thoroughly. There is very little evidence of damage from second-hand smoke, the indicators are flawed, and they don't factor in enough of the slant towards cardiovascular diseases that is present today (and growing with other epidemics such as obesity, and sedentary lifestyles).

I know a lot of people who grew up in the era where people smoked all over, and if they didn't smoke, they didn't develop smoking related issues.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

a little? ahahahahaha. when smoking was allowed in bars it was like a smokestack in there. smoking and drinking goes hand in hand for close to all smokers. i do not miss the day i was hung over before hang over time because i was breathing in toxic chemicals all night in a bar.

So please explain to me why this is not an issue in huge cities like Miami where you got plenty of smokey bars/clubs and you also have a ton of places just like them where smoking is not permitted? What is so bad about having a little something for everyone?

why not have a tractor trailer exhaust bar? back the trucks up and let the carbon monoxide flow in. a little something for everyone especially those that want to off themselves quicker.

When did people become so quick to give up freedom of choice in this country?

See this is the slippery slope. Why can't I be given the freedom to go to any bar/restaurant I want and not be exposed to smoke? Why are "smoker's rights" to smoke wherever they want more important?

In that case it wouldn't be about YOUR rights, it would be about the OWNER's rights. See what I'm saying?

They have the right to run the kind of establishment they want, and cater to the crowds they find in their best interest, do they not?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

a little? ahahahahaha. when smoking was allowed in bars it was like a smokestack in there. smoking and drinking goes hand in hand for close to all smokers. i do not miss the day i was hung over before hang over time because i was breathing in toxic chemicals all night in a bar.

So please explain to me why this is not an issue in huge cities like Miami where you got plenty of smokey bars/clubs and you also have a ton of places just like them where smoking is not permitted? What is so bad about having a little something for everyone?

why not have a tractor trailer exhaust bar? back the trucks up and let the carbon monoxide flow in. a little something for everyone especially those that want to off themselves quicker.

Mosh, you usually are not the type to out in left field like this. Come on now. The bottom line here is that people enjoy smoking and are aware of the negative consequences. Obviously people would not enjoy tractor trailer exhaust so there is your difference right there. People do things all of time which negatively effect their health and the only reason they do that stuff is because they enjoy it. It is one thing to make the choice of whether or not you wish to participate in such a thing. It is completely different when that freedom of choice is taken away from you. The way I see it is that the only true fair and free way to handle the situation is to allow both smokers and non-smokers the opportunities to make their own choices. My proposed solution allows both smokers and non-smokers to enjoy bars in the environment which suits them.

Again, it's all hunky dory until you got people trying to enforce laws that make or restrict you from doing what you enjoy. Think about that.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

When did people become so quick to give up freedom of choice in this country?

See this is the slippery slope. Why can't I be given the freedom to go to any bar/restaurant I want and not be exposed to smoke? Why are "smoker's rights" to smoke wherever they want more important?

You are asking to have your cake and eat it too. What you should be accepting is being able to have just a slice of that cake so that everyone can have their fair share.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

a little? ahahahahaha. when smoking was allowed in bars it was like a smokestack in there. smoking and drinking goes hand in hand for close to all smokers. i do not miss the day i was hung over before hang over time because i was breathing in toxic chemicals all night in a bar.

So please explain to me why this is not an issue in huge cities like Miami where you got plenty of smokey bars/clubs and you also have a ton of places just like them where smoking is not permitted? What is so bad about having a little something for everyone?

why not have a tractor trailer exhaust bar? back the trucks up and let the carbon monoxide flow in. a little something for everyone especially those that want to off themselves quicker.

When did people become so quick to give up freedom of choice in this country?

See this is the slippery slope. Why can't I be given the freedom to go to any bar/restaurant I want and not be exposed to smoke? Why are "smoker's rights" to smoke wherever they want more important?

In that case it wouldn't be about YOUR rights, it would be about the OWNER's rights. See what I'm saying?

They have the right to run the kind of establishment they want, and cater to the crowds they find in their best interest, do they not?

Not if it's against the law and in CA, MA, NYC, etc you do not have the right to smoke in a public establishment.

Anything to discourage smoking is a bonus when tax money has to be used to help pay the medical costs for those that chose to smoke.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

That makes entirely too much sense, thus the reason we must legislate it!

Tell that to the employees.

And OP - you're only taking half a stand. You should report them.

The employees choose to work in a smoking environment.

I also don't buy that they are going to get horrible death causing problems from a little bit of second hand smoke here and there in a bar.

Do a little research on second-hand smoke please.

Yeah..use a dose of salt, some common sense and read the studies thoroughly. There is very little evidence of damage from second-hand smoke, the indicators are flawed, and they don't factor in enough of the slant towards cardiovascular diseases that is present today (and growing with other epidemics such as obesity, and sedentary lifestyles).

I know a lot of people who grew up in the era where people smoked all over, and if they didn't smoke, they didn't develop smoking related issues.

i read your washington post op-ed article.

i have also taken courses on nicotine addiction and am a certified smoking cessation counselor. i'm educated, besides reading articles on the internet, in other words.

second hand smoke is WORSE for the recipient than it is for the smoker. you see the second hand smoke inhaler doesn't have the benefit of a filter like a smoker does.

for every article you can produce that poo poos the dangers of second hand smoke i can find one to counter it. believe what you want, you will anyways.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

When did people become so quick to give up freedom of choice in this country?

See this is the slippery slope. Why can't I be given the freedom to go to any bar/restaurant I want and not be exposed to smoke? Why are "smoker's rights" to smoke wherever they want more important?

You are asking to have your cake and eat it too. What you should be accepting is being able to have just a slice of that cake so that everyone can have their fair share.

i am asking to have the same freedoms the smokers want. it's not so indifferent.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

Whether it's ridiculous or not, I love Ohio's smoking ban. I haven't noticed a decline in patronage, even though most bar owners thought that people would just go across the river to Kentucky bars just to smoke.

Things were down at first, but as far as I can tell, they've picked right back up and people don't seem to have a problem with going outside to smoke.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Not if it's against the law and in CA, MA, NYC, etc you do not have the right to smoke in a public establishment.

Anything to discourage smoking is a bonus when tax money has to be used to help pay the medical costs for those that chose to smoke.

Don't bring tax money into this argument. You know just as much as I do of the gazillion examples of how tax money "shouldn't" have to be used for this and that thanks to the desires of people that you may not agree with. ATOT has beaten that subject to a pulp and the bottom line is that each individual in this country would prefer taxes to be used in such a way which benefits themselves and people like them. The government's job is to try and use the taxes in the ways which benefit the freedoms over everyone. Now, how well they do that is obviously subject to a ridiculous amount of debate so let's not take that one any further.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

a little? ahahahahaha. when smoking was allowed in bars it was like a smokestack in there. smoking and drinking goes hand in hand for close to all smokers. i do not miss the day i was hung over before hang over time because i was breathing in toxic chemicals all night in a bar.

So please explain to me why this is not an issue in huge cities like Miami where you got plenty of smokey bars/clubs and you also have a ton of places just like them where smoking is not permitted? What is so bad about having a little something for everyone?

why not have a tractor trailer exhaust bar? back the trucks up and let the carbon monoxide flow in. a little something for everyone especially those that want to off themselves quicker.

When did people become so quick to give up freedom of choice in this country?

See this is the slippery slope. Why can't I be given the freedom to go to any bar/restaurant I want and not be exposed to smoke? Why are "smoker's rights" to smoke wherever they want more important?

In that case it wouldn't be about YOUR rights, it would be about the OWNER's rights. See what I'm saying?

They have the right to run the kind of establishment they want, and cater to the crowds they find in their best interest, do they not?

do owner's have the right to run their establishments exactly as they want? wouldn't a roomful of hookers help a business? there are reasons that guidelines are put in place.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

When did people become so quick to give up freedom of choice in this country?

See this is the slippery slope. Why can't I be given the freedom to go to any bar/restaurant I want and not be exposed to smoke? Why are "smoker's rights" to smoke wherever they want more important?

You are asking to have your cake and eat it too. What you should be accepting is being able to have just a slice of that cake so that everyone can have their fair share.

i am asking to have the same freedoms the smokers want. it's not so indifferent.

I want to be able to have SOME establishments such as bars where smoking is available. Not all of them. What is it that you want? It sounds to me like you want all of them to be made just for you and other non-smokers. How is that sharing the pie?

 

[bignateyk]

waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


You think the owner gives a shit that you don't go? He's making more money (alot) by allowing smokers there than he would by enforcing the non-smoking ban. Forcing bar owners to ban smokers is absolutely ridiculous. Around here there is no ban, and there are some bars that choose to ban smoking, and others that don't.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

When did people become so quick to give up freedom of choice in this country?

See this is the slippery slope. Why can't I be given the freedom to go to any bar/restaurant I want and not be exposed to smoke? Why are "smoker's rights" to smoke wherever they want more important?

You are asking to have your cake and eat it too. What you should be accepting is being able to have just a slice of that cake so that everyone can have their fair share.

i am asking to have the same freedoms the smokers want. it's not so indifferent.

I want to be able to have SOME establishments such as bars where smoking is available. Not all of them. What is it that you want?

so open up a bar in your own home.

i've already stated what i want.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

That makes entirely too much sense, thus the reason we must legislate it!

Tell that to the employees.

And OP - you're only taking half a stand. You should report them.

The employees choose to work in a smoking environment.

I also don't buy that they are going to get horrible death causing problems from a little bit of second hand smoke here and there in a bar.

Do a little research on second-hand smoke please.

Yeah..use a dose of salt, some common sense and read the studies thoroughly. There is very little evidence of damage from second-hand smoke, the indicators are flawed, and they don't factor in enough of the slant towards cardiovascular diseases that is present today (and growing with other epidemics such as obesity, and sedentary lifestyles).

I know a lot of people who grew up in the era where people smoked all over, and if they didn't smoke, they didn't develop smoking related issues.

i read your washington post op-ed article.

i have also taken courses on nicotine addiction and am a certified smoking cessation counselor. i'm educated, besides reading articles on the internet, in other words.

second hand smoke is WORSE for the recipient than it is for the smoker. you see the second hand smoke inhaler doesn't have the benefit of a filter like a smoker does.

for every article you can produce that poo poos the dangers of second hand smoke i can find one to counter it. believe what you want, you will anyways.

Hey there, I'm not biased on the dangers of second hand smoke, I just think it isn't studied to the point that it should be, I agree with others who say they have no real way of measuring it, and that studies seem slanted / don't include all factors.

Even if SHSmoke was 100% as bad for someone as just smoking, I would still support the right for a business owner to run a smoking business, as anyone who applies to work there would be knowledgeable that they would be around smoke.

It's like..working at a coal mine, you're going to be exposed to coal dust and particles.

If you have any studies that provide a good breakdown of all the factors involved, I'd be glad to see it (well..maybe not glad, but I'd look, take it in, and remember it), but I don't want to get into some smoker vs. anti-smoker type argument, I am really just someone who believes in the freedom of choice. That's all, Mosh.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

That makes entirely too much sense, thus the reason we must legislate it!

Tell that to the employees.

And OP - you're only taking half a stand. You should report them.

The employees choose to work in a smoking environment.

I also don't buy that they are going to get horrible death causing problems from a little bit of second hand smoke here and there in a bar.

Do a little research on second-hand smoke please.

Yeah..use a dose of salt, some common sense and read the studies thoroughly. There is very little evidence of damage from second-hand smoke, the indicators are flawed, and they don't factor in enough of the slant towards cardiovascular diseases that is present today (and growing with other epidemics such as obesity, and sedentary lifestyles).

I know a lot of people who grew up in the era where people smoked all over, and if they didn't smoke, they didn't develop smoking related issues.

i read your washington post op-ed article.

i have also taken courses on nicotine addiction and am a certified smoking cessation counselor. i'm educated, besides reading articles on the internet, in other words.

second hand smoke is WORSE for the recipient than it is for the smoker. you see the second hand smoke inhaler doesn't have the benefit of a filter like a smoker does.

for every article you can produce that poo poos the dangers of second hand smoke i can find one to counter it. believe what you want, you will anyways.

Hey there, I'm not biased on the dangers of second hand smoke, I just think it isn't studied to the point that it should be, I agree with others who say they have no real way of measuring it, and that studies seem slanted / don't include all factors.

Even if SHSmoke was 100% as bad for someone as just smoking, I would still support the right for a business owner to run a smoking business, as anyone who applies to work there would be knowledgeable that they would be around smoke.

It's like..working at a coal mine, you're going to be exposed to coal dust and particles.

If you have any studies that provide a good breakdown of all the factors involved, I'd be glad to see it (well..maybe not glad, but I'd look, take it in, and remember it), but I don't want to get into some smoker vs. anti-smoker type argument, I am really just someone who believes in the freedom of choice. That's all, Mosh.

well stated. i don't mean to seem overbearing, i'm just passionate about the subject. (as if you couldn't tell. )

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

a little? ahahahahaha. when smoking was allowed in bars it was like a smokestack in there. smoking and drinking goes hand in hand for close to all smokers. i do not miss the day i was hung over before hang over time because i was breathing in toxic chemicals all night in a bar.

So please explain to me why this is not an issue in huge cities like Miami where you got plenty of smokey bars/clubs and you also have a ton of places just like them where smoking is not permitted? What is so bad about having a little something for everyone?

why not have a tractor trailer exhaust bar? back the trucks up and let the carbon monoxide flow in. a little something for everyone especially those that want to off themselves quicker.

When did people become so quick to give up freedom of choice in this country?

See this is the slippery slope. Why can't I be given the freedom to go to any bar/restaurant I want and not be exposed to smoke? Why are "smoker's rights" to smoke wherever they want more important?

In that case it wouldn't be about YOUR rights, it would be about the OWNER's rights. See what I'm saying?

They have the right to run the kind of establishment they want, and cater to the crowds they find in their best interest, do they not?

do owner's have the right to run their establishments exactly as they want? wouldn't a roomful of hookers help a business? there are reasons that guidelines are put in place.

Hookers? That's a bit of an extreme example don't you think?

But if you want to roll with that, it does help business in Nevada.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Xavier434

I want to be able to have SOME establishments such as bars where smoking is available. Not all of them. What is it that you want?

so open up a bar in your own home.

i've already stated what i want.

That doesn't make any more sense than smokers telling all smokers to stay at home if they want to drink in a smoke free environment. I just don't get it Mosh. How do you not understand that what you are asking for isn't selfish? Why should non-smokers get the whole pie and smokers be left with crumbs?

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

That makes entirely too much sense, thus the reason we must legislate it!

Tell that to the employees.

And OP - you're only taking half a stand. You should report them.

The employees choose to work in a smoking environment.

I also don't buy that they are going to get horrible death causing problems from a little bit of second hand smoke here and there in a bar.

Do a little research on second-hand smoke please.

Yeah..use a dose of salt, some common sense and read the studies thoroughly. There is very little evidence of damage from second-hand smoke, the indicators are flawed, and they don't factor in enough of the slant towards cardiovascular diseases that is present today (and growing with other epidemics such as obesity, and sedentary lifestyles).

I know a lot of people who grew up in the era where people smoked all over, and if they didn't smoke, they didn't develop smoking related issues.

i read your washington post op-ed article.

i have also taken courses on nicotine addiction and am a certified smoking cessation counselor. i'm educated, besides reading articles on the internet, in other words.

second hand smoke is WORSE for the recipient than it is for the smoker. you see the second hand smoke inhaler doesn't have the benefit of a filter like a smoker does.

for every article you can produce that poo poos the dangers of second hand smoke i can find one to counter it. believe what you want, you will anyways.

Hey there, I'm not biased on the dangers of second hand smoke, I just think it isn't studied to the point that it should be, I agree with others who say they have no real way of measuring it, and that studies seem slanted / don't include all factors.

Even if SHSmoke was 100% as bad for someone as just smoking, I would still support the right for a business owner to run a smoking business, as anyone who applies to work there would be knowledgeable that they would be around smoke.

It's like..working at a coal mine, you're going to be exposed to coal dust and particles.

If you have any studies that provide a good breakdown of all the factors involved, I'd be glad to see it (well..maybe not glad, but I'd look, take it in, and remember it), but I don't want to get into some smoker vs. anti-smoker type argument, I am really just someone who believes in the freedom of choice. That's all, Mosh.

well stated. i don't mean to seem overbearing, i'm just passionate about the subject. (as if you couldn't tell. )

Well, I'm glad we can agree to disagree.

I always get in arguments in threads relating to freedoms. I'm just a very "do as you please" type person.

But I really like discussing issues, and mean no harm. =)

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Not if it's against the law and in CA, MA, NYC, etc you do not have the right to smoke in a public establishment.

Anything to discourage smoking is a bonus when tax money has to be used to help pay the medical costs for those that chose to smoke.

Don't bring tax money into this argument. You know just as much as I do of the gazillion examples of how tax money "shouldn't" have to be used for this and that thanks to the desires of people that you may not agree with. ATOT has beaten that subject to a pulp and the bottom line is that each individual in this country would prefer taxes to be used in such a way which benefits themselves and people like them. The government's job is to try and use the taxes in the ways which benefit the freedoms over everyone. Now, how well they do that is obviously subject to a ridiculous amount of debate so let's not take that one any further.

Why? You bring up rights? Same thing. If tax payers don't want something, they go to their legislators who then make laws like banning smoking in public establishments (ie bars). If you don't like it then change the law or move to a state/city that matches your freedoms.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
well stated. i don't mean to seem overbearing, i'm just passionate about the subject. (as if you couldn't tell. )

It's ok to be passionate. Just understand that it is too much passion and faith in certain beliefs which have led to a great many decisions in the past which very much restrict the freedoms of others. That goes way beyond our country. A perfect example is the UK. They weren't always as bad as they are right now. They started small and gradually got worse and worse and worse.

 

[n7]

When smoking was banned in all public establishments here, it was awesome.

Going to clubs, bars, restaurants, everywhere...so much better.