I'm taking a $5000/yr. paycut

[dartworth]

There's no use in debating an issue with people who have no idea of what they are talking about...

 

[Squisher]

*UPDATE* just got back from a 5 hour union meeting :roll: the concessions passed. I am slowly voting myself into the poor house.

Buddy can you spare a dime?

 

[Gulzakar]

Plumbing isn't easy...

I mean, the guy probably works hard, probably knows what he's doing, and does it regardless. He deals with things that most people wouldn't want to do. He probably earns that 70k a year doing a lot of hard work. Why punish the guy the guy for working hard?

The problem with this generation is that they equate a college degree as the end all.

"I have a college degree, pay me to sit on my @ss". The hard work ethic has not been bestowed on generation Y. I won't say I have my reservations about unions, but don't disrespect a guy that probably works his @ss off. Him making 70k a year is probably a lot more intensive then the average office worker.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Spoken like a complete tool. While the UAW certainly doesn't help things, they are not the "complete" cause of the downfall the Big 3. A big part of that was poor management and inferior products for years.

No one with a right mind will say union, UAW to be exact, is the absolute cause for the automotive industry decline.

How about shoddy workmanship, poor quality/reliability problems, poor work ethics, entitlement metality, shall I go on? Yes, the big 3 are getting better on quality/reliability and variety of products but are they up to par with Honda/Toyota and the imports? Just look at the last few years' profits and market shares of GM/Ford/Chrysler and Honda/Toyota/Nissan and other imports. Then you have your answer.

<<<----- worked along side with UAW at GM for almost 10 years so I think I know a few things about UAW and union.

all products of union mentality. just watch Gung Ho starring Michael Keaton and you will see how unions ruin business.

Are you comparing a COMEDY movie to real life?

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: waggy

*SNIP*

and this is why i disklike unions.

You have a person who has little education. Who is makeing a lot of money ONLY because of the union. without it he would not be able to have a good paying job. That says a lOT about your father and the union.

Whoa there, he said his dad is a plumber. Where do you get "little education" out of that?

Next time you have a foot of sewage in your basement or no way to flush your toilet see how much good calling a Rhodes Scholar will do for you.

maybe because i read the thread. you should also.

his said his dad makes $70k a year and left school at 16.

and since then he has received hundreds if not thousands of hours in Apprenticeship training. He is a SKILLED worker, educated by his on the job training.

I am a college-educated construction manager. I see all facets every day. I see college-educated people who get a degree and assume they know how to do something, but have no idea in reality. I see union tradesmen AND open-shop tradesmen. I actuality, there are lazy people on both sides of the fence, and high-motivated and hard-working people on both sides.

Those that come here and bash unions either have no experience with them and are just on the bandwagon, or have experience in some of the bad unions out there. There are bad unions, just as there are bad companies and bad people. Being Union does not drive one or the other.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

Someone who left high school at 16 to work as a plumber probably should not be making 70k, I think you demonstrated the problem with unions perfectly.

yip. way over paid.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

Someone who left high school at 16 to work as a plumber probably should not be making 70k, I think you demonstrated the problem with unions perfectly.

yip. way over paid.

Based on what I read on these broads, everyone pretty much said working experience is king, while education is overrated. Now a non-tech guy came in with a tons of hand on experience and you guys said he should not get paid that much. pffs...

 

[randay]

I don't see how 70k is overpaid for a plumber. Its definitely high though. I think this is just envy.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: chambersc
There's no use debating an issue with people who aren't capable of separating their emotions with an issue.

So basically what you're saying is that you're done "debating" an issue that you don't really understand?

Are you going to attempt to respond to my post about the fair market fee schedule of plumbers (or most any other skilled trade out there)?
I think that I'm right about you never hiring a skilled tradesmen in your entire life, except mabey a mechanic. Actually I think throughout this thread my points are validated and you're just being a pompous fool who jumps on the union/tradesman hating bandwagon.

From what I remember you're a college kid, still in undergrad, with plans on going to law school. So it's safe to assume that you've never owned a home, never paid rent and most likely live in a dorm? You're barely out of diapers, yet you're the one who has all the answers about what workers should get paid. Have you actually joined the workforce long enough to comment?

I find it amusing that you're looking down and spitting on unions and workers, while taking the steps to be a lawyer. A LAWYER! Lawyers are one of the lowest lifeforms on earth. Vastly overpaid for the work they do, yet, egos of unmeasurable proportions. So you're one of the mindless minions who goes to school and gets a desktop, entitled to the world because you went to school! You're sure to fit in perfectly. Pound for pound a plumber is worth more than a lawyer.

So friend, keep on acting the part of the elitest college kid, it's sure to get you plenty of brownie points with thoes downtrodden workers who make your world go 'round.
Or mabey you should get into politics and get some legislation going to further destroy the american middle class. So you can buy a house and expect top notch workmanship for $10/hour. Hopefully someday you crawl down from your ivory tower and realize how much of a wannabe you are.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

Someone who left high school at 16 to work as a plumber probably should not be making 70k, I think you demonstrated the problem with unions perfectly.

Why, non-union plumbers make $70K/yr?

Shouldn't union plumbers make the same?

Yes they should make the same, not twice as much. If the median salary is $34k in a given area, there's an economic reason for such a wage.

MOSTLY, it's supply and demand. No one wants to fix their own dammed plumbing or toilets, so the plumbers can charge whatever they want. Same with most of the trades. How many people are qualified to build a house, or set machinery to the tolerances they require, operate heavy equipment and build roads, bridges, etc. to prints? Not many. What most of you union haters forget, is that us tradesmen did our time in our "colleges", called apprenticeships, and work far harder than you ever will in an office. PLUS, we work in all kinds of weather, in difficult or hazardous environments, (ever have to fix a broken toilet that people have used after it broke?)
I dropped out of high school at 16 also, served 4 for the Corps, then got out, and did a 6000 hour apprenticeship. Before I got hurt, (another hazard of the job, dangerous working conditions) I pulled down anywhere between $75K and $90K/year. Not bad for a high school drop out...
People think union's time is over...If people were smart, everyone would rush to join whatever union they could...Having one unified voice when negotiating a raise is FAR better than everyone having to kiss up for their annual raise. NO, not everyone NEEDS a union, and in some jobs, it might not even make sense, but MOST jobs...
"We work best, when we say UNION YES!"

thanks for admitting you prey upon people when they are in serious trouble.

"So, you got poop in your house because of a busted toilet? Well, that will be $1000 for the labor and $20 for the part."

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: brandonbull


thanks for admitting you prey upon people when they are in serious trouble.

"So, you got poop in your house because of a busted toilet? Well, that will be $1000 for the labor and $20 for the part."

Most companies I del with have a charge out rate between $65 - 75 /hour...

I just have my truck in for some work and they charge around $85/hour...

What does a lawyer charge an hour...I'm not sure but I'm sure it is the same or higher...

Services cost money, just a fact of life...

 

[topslop1]

Quit and find another job. This IS America.