I'm sick of the war in Iraq

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Genx87
What else is there to answer? My answer is pretty straight forward.

I am sorry if you cant figure it out.

How about the questions I asked you above that you are hiding from? :laugh:

So you only want to cut spending if all spending is cut? Isn't this cutting off the nose to spite the face?

If you can't answer, you can't. No need to make excuses and quip about it. 😉

For the third time my original answer is straight forward and shouldnt be hard for people to grasp. It answers your question, and like I am saying for the 2nd time, if you cant understand it that isnt my problem.

Maybe this time it will sink in

Let me opt out of the above and we can talk.

That was an answer to the FIRST QUESTION.

I asked followup questions that you can't answer, probably because they show that your present justification is equivalent to cutting off the nose to spite the face.


"Maybe this time it will sink in"

So you only want to cut spending if all spending is cut? Isn't this cutting off the nose to spite the face?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Genx87
Im sick of SS and the drain on society that it is.
I am sick of medicare and the drain on our economy it is.
I am also sick of the war on crime we have in this country. We spend hundreds of billions each month and all we end up with is murders, drug deals, kidnappings, and the occasional crazed bride running away. Seems like we will never beat it.

I want my money back.

Nice diversion of the OP.

I wonder how long the Iraq war will linger on? To the end of the Bush administration?

It's already been over 2 years since GWB declared "Mission Accomplished". One thing is for sure, the Repugs are going to lose support the longer it continues and the more money they spend.

You would have thought so but 04 elections didnt seem to indicate it.

Even if we stay there for 5 more years at the rate we are burning cash in Iraq compared to Medicare + SS it is like chump change.

Might drop 600 billion in Iraq over 5 years while dropping 4.25 trillion on these social programs.

Let me opt out of the social programs and Ill help pay for Iraq. You can opt out of Iraq and pay for those expensive social programs.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Genx87
Im sick of SS and the drain on society that it is.
I am sick of medicare and the drain on our economy it is.
I am also sick of the war on crime we have in this country. We spend hundreds of billions each month and all we end up with is murders, drug deals, kidnappings, and the occasional crazed bride running away. Seems like we will never beat it.

What do you think of expenditures on Iraq? Do you think people should be able to choose to opt in into paying for Iraq?

Let me opt out of the above and we can talk.

Amen!

Cool. So you and genx87 can fund the war on terror. We can fund the other things you mentioned and see who runs out of money first.

War in Iraq has costed us ~ 250 billion in 28 months.

SS costed us maybe 500 billion??? over the same time period and medicare about 1.2 trillion.

Have fun.

And the Iraq war has killed hundreds of thousands whereas Medicare and SS have helped tens of millions.

My grandfather, a WWII vet, just had heart surgery that he couldn't have afforded without Medicare. F*** you for wanting him to die.

We see here the Republican priorities. Money for death = good. Money to help the citizens of this nation, who have contributed to its greatness = bad.

Ohh emotion in a conversation about money. Nothing but good things happen when those two things are put together.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Genx87
What else is there to answer? My answer is pretty straight forward.

I am sorry if you cant figure it out.

How about the questions I asked you above that you are hiding from? :laugh:

So you only want to cut spending if all spending is cut? Isn't this cutting off the nose to spite the face?

If you can't answer, you can't. No need to make excuses and quip about it. 😉

For the third time my original answer is straight forward and shouldnt be hard for people to grasp. It answers your question, and like I am saying for the 2nd time, if you cant understand it that isnt my problem.

Maybe this time it will sink in

Let me opt out of the above and we can talk.

That was an answer to the FIRST QUESTION.

I asked followup questions that you can't answer, probably because they show that your present justification is equivalent to cutting off the nose to spite the face.


"Maybe this time it will sink in"

So you only want to cut spending if all spending is cut? Isn't this cutting off the nose to spite the face?

You are an amazing specimen

What part of my original answer doesnt answer your question?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Genx87
Im sick of SS and the drain on society that it is.
I am sick of medicare and the drain on our economy it is.
I am also sick of the war on crime we have in this country. We spend hundreds of billions each month and all we end up with is murders, drug deals, kidnappings, and the occasional crazed bride running away. Seems like we will never beat it.

What do you think of expenditures on Iraq? Do you think people should be able to choose to opt in into paying for Iraq?

Let me opt out of the above and we can talk.

Amen!

Cool. So you and genx87 can fund the war on terror. We can fund the other things you mentioned and see who runs out of money first.

War in Iraq has costed us ~ 250 billion in 28 months.

SS costed us maybe 500 billion??? over the same time period and medicare about 1.2 trillion.

Have fun.

I will, you're allowance will be spent before mine. And echo Dave, I'll continue to support Americans here in the good old USA, whilst the rest of you can continue to support and fund their deaths in Iraq.

How do you figure my allowance will be spent before yours?

Over the same time period you are spending nearly 7 times as much as me.

Good luck

I figure because it is not the total bill that will break you quicker, it is the number of people on your side sharing the costs. Though my costs are greater, true, I have many more people helping to absorb the cost. Agruing the numbers is silly since they are hypothetical. I can make a statement like there are 100 million people on my side willing to continue to support SS and Medicare. I can say that there are only 1 million people like yourself in favor of opting out so they can fund our Imperialism.

My portion of the 1.5 trillion bill is 80,000 while your portion of the 250 billion is 250,000 You go broke quicker. Thx.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Genx87

What part of my original answer doesnt answer your question?

The part where you cut off the nose to spite the face.

What kind of "specimen" can't answer the two following straighfoward questions?

QUESTION 2. So you only want to cut spending if all spending is cut?

QUESTION 3. Isn't this cutting off the nose to spite the face?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

I figure because it is not the total bill that will break you quicker, it is the number of people on your side sharing the costs. Though my costs are greater, true, I have many more people helping to absorb the cost. Agruing the numbers is silly since they are hypothetical. I can make a statement like there are 100 million people on my side willing to continue to support SS and Medicare. I can say that there are only 1 million people like yourself in favor of opting out so they can fund our Imperialism.

My portion of the 1.5 trillion bill is 80,000 while your portion of the 250 billion is 250,000 You go broke quicker. Thx.

Now quit using common sense on the Neocons. 😀

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Genx87
Im sick of SS and the drain on society that it is.
I am sick of medicare and the drain on our economy it is.
I am also sick of the war on crime we have in this country. We spend hundreds of billions each month and all we end up with is murders, drug deals, kidnappings, and the occasional crazed bride running away. Seems like we will never beat it.

What do you think of expenditures on Iraq? Do you think people should be able to choose to opt in into paying for Iraq?

Let me opt out of the above and we can talk.

Amen!

Cool. So you and genx87 can fund the war on terror. We can fund the other things you mentioned and see who runs out of money first.

War in Iraq has costed us ~ 250 billion in 28 months.

SS costed us maybe 500 billion??? over the same time period and medicare about 1.2 trillion.

Have fun.

I will, you're allowance will be spent before mine. And echo Dave, I'll continue to support Americans here in the good old USA, whilst the rest of you can continue to support and fund their deaths in Iraq.

How do you figure my allowance will be spent before yours?

Over the same time period you are spending nearly 7 times as much as me.

Good luck

I figure because it is not the total bill that will break you quicker, it is the number of people on your side sharing the costs. Though my costs are greater, true, I have many more people helping to absorb the cost. Agruing the numbers is silly since they are hypothetical. I can make a statement like there are 100 million people on my side willing to continue to support SS and Medicare. I can say that there are only 1 million people like yourself in favor of opting out so they can fund our Imperialism.

My portion of the 1.5 trillion bill is 80,000 while your portion of the 250 billion is 250,000 You go broke quicker. Thx.

The only numbers we can argue are the ones we know.

You have a higher burden than me, thus you go down faster.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Genx87

What part of my original answer doesnt answer your question?

The part where you cut off the nose to spite the face.

What kind of "specimen" can't answer the two following straighfoward questions?

QUESTION 2. So you only want to cut spending if all spending is cut?

QUESTION 3. Isn't this cutting off the nose to spite the face?

1. Let me opt out of the above and we can talk. -Tell me what you think this means.
2. Rhetorical question not worth answering since the whole basis of the argument is hypothetical.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Genx87
1. Let me opt out of the above and we can talk. -Tell me what you think this means.
2. Rhetorical question not worth answering since the whole basis of the argument is hypothetical.

That sounds like a yes to answer number 1. It sounds like you think cutting spending in one area is only okay if we cut it in other areas. This is a silly view, one that is essentially just punishing your country by promoting unecessary spending. You should look at Iraq spending on its own and not make it conditional on getting your pet projects cut too. If you want your pet issues cut, look at them on their own too.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Genx87
1. Let me opt out of the above and we can talk. -Tell me what you think this means.
2. Rhetorical question not worth answering since the whole basis of the argument is hypothetical.

That sounds like a yes to answer number 1. It sounds like you think cutting spending in one area is only okay if we cut it in other areas. This is a silly view, one that is essentially just punishing your country by promoting unecessary spending. You should look at Iraq spending on its own and not make it conditional on getting your pet projects cut too. If you want your pet issues cut, look at them on their own too.

Close, I think in this situation if we are going to start asking for money back then I want my SS and Medicare taxes back.

The whole thread is one giant joke and my original response was trying to illustrate that.
But of course once things got going what fun would it be to let it slide? 😉

 

[ECUHITMAN]

If you want to get the amount of money spent in Iraq, you have to:
Calculate money Congress budgets (as stated ~250 Billion) + (the training cost of 1 GI * 1671) + (the training cost of 1 new GI * 1671) + value of lost equipment + replacement equipment

I do believe that number would be higher than 250 Billion, unless dead GIs do not count in your book.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN
If you want to get the amount of money spent in Iraq, you have to:
Calculate money Congress budgets (as stated ~250 Billion) + (the training cost of 1 GI * 1671) + (the training cost of 1 new GI * 1671) + value of lost equipment + replacement equipment

I do believe that number would be higher than 250 Billion, unless dead GIs do not count in your book.

The training really cant be considered since we didnt draft them, train them, and send them over.

They are full time professionals who have had their training done prior to the war starting.
The equipment costs are included with the budget proposals.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Brackis
My money is going into the war in Iraq and I hate it. Look at the death rates and what is being done.
I say they should give us all vouchers, that way I can go start my own war with a higher death toll and make sure my bombs are exploding at a higher level than in the run down Iraqi desert.

But there is Oil there <shrugs>

It is my right to say what the soldiers and contractors I pay for do or do not take advantage of. In my opinion oil is a much worse influence than say.... the vanilla bean plantations of Madagascar.

But I pay for them too. So do most of the people on this forum. What happens when what I think they should do and what you think they should do conflict? That's why we elected public officials to decide for the majority. Maybe you live in Brackis world, party of one. Everybody else lives in the real world.

 

[piasabird]

Well a lot of those GI's would be in the Army anyway and would be conducting training, so deduct that money.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Genx87
Im sick of SS and the drain on society that it is.
I am sick of medicare and the drain on our economy it is.
I am also sick of the war on crime we have in this country. We spend hundreds of billions each month and all we end up with is murders, drug deals, kidnappings, and the occasional crazed bride running away. Seems like we will never beat it.

What do you think of expenditures on Iraq? Do you think people should be able to choose to opt in into paying for Iraq?

Let me opt out of the above and we can talk.

Amen!

Cool. So you and genx87 can fund the war on terror. We can fund the other things you mentioned and see who runs out of money first.

War in Iraq has costed us ~ 250 billion in 28 months.

SS costed us maybe 500 billion??? over the same time period and medicare about 1.2 trillion.

Have fun.

And the Iraq war has killed hundreds of thousands whereas Medicare and SS have helped tens of millions.

My grandfather, a WWII vet, just had heart surgery that he couldn't have afforded without Medicare. F*** you for wanting him to die.

We see here the Republican priorities. Money for death = good. Money to help the citizens of this nation, who have contributed to its greatness = bad.

Ohh emotion in a conversation about money. Nothing but good things happen when those two things are put together.

You can't seperate emotion from anything here - this isn't Star Trek. How high were emotions running when we invaded Iraq? "He's gonna git us with his WMDs!!" was the rallying cry. Its also understandable to be angry when one's money is wasted, especially when zero good has come from it.

BTW, I'm certainly not denying that I made an emotional argument.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Well a lot of those GI's would be in the Army anyway and would be conducting training, so deduct that money.

Then we should add the cost of the lost productivity of all the National gard.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN
If you want to get the amount of money spent in Iraq, you have to:
Calculate money Congress budgets (as stated ~250 Billion) + (the training cost of 1 GI * 1671) + (the training cost of 1 new GI * 1671) + value of lost equipment + replacement equipment

I do believe that number would be higher than 250 Billion, unless dead GIs do not count in your book.

The training really cant be considered since we didnt draft them, train them, and send them over.

They are full time professionals who have had their training done prior to the war starting.
The equipment costs are included with the budget proposals.

I disagree, draft or not. We spent money training these 1671 people and now they are dead. So if you want a true cost of the war in Iraq you have to factor in the human costs.

Either way, we have to replace these 1671 people so the cost of replacing them has to be added to the total cost of the war.

Just because this is someone?s job does not mean it is ok if they die. I understand that no one making these people join but that does not mean their lives and the training costs to get them ready for their job do no count.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Well a lot of those GI's would be in the Army anyway and would be conducting training, so deduct that money.

Why? We are looking at the total cost of the war, and the amount it costs to train an individual and have them die, and the cost of training replacements have to be included in the total cost of the war.

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Then we should add the cost of the lost productivity of all the National gard.

I completely forgot about lost productivity because being called to service by the National Guard and the reserves. We would have to add that, because that is a direct result of this war.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Genx87
Im sick of SS and the drain on society that it is.
I am sick of medicare and the drain on our economy it is.
I am also sick of the war on crime we have in this country. We spend hundreds of billions each month and all we end up with is murders, drug deals, kidnappings, and the occasional crazed bride running away. Seems like we will never beat it.

What do you think of expenditures on Iraq? Do you think people should be able to choose to opt in into paying for Iraq?

Let me opt out of the above and we can talk.

Amen!

Cool. So you and genx87 can fund the war on terror. We can fund the other things you mentioned and see who runs out of money first.

War in Iraq has costed us ~ 250 billion in 28 months.

SS costed us maybe 500 billion??? over the same time period and medicare about 1.2 trillion.

Have fun.

And the Iraq war has killed hundreds of thousands whereas Medicare and SS have helped tens of millions.

My grandfather, a WWII vet, just had heart surgery that he couldn't have afforded without Medicare. F*** you for wanting him to die.

We see here the Republican priorities. Money for death = good. Money to help the citizens of this nation, who have contributed to its greatness = bad.

Ohh emotion in a conversation about money. Nothing but good things happen when those two things are put together.

You can't seperate emotion from anything here - this isn't Star Trek. How high were emotions running when we invaded Iraq? "He's gonna git us with his WMDs!!" was the rallying cry. Its also understandable to be angry when one's money is wasted, especially when zero good has come from it.

BTW, I'm certainly not denying that I made an emotional argument.

When you deal with money you need to seperate emotions.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN
If you want to get the amount of money spent in Iraq, you have to:
Calculate money Congress budgets (as stated ~250 Billion) + (the training cost of 1 GI * 1671) + (the training cost of 1 new GI * 1671) + value of lost equipment + replacement equipment

I do believe that number would be higher than 250 Billion, unless dead GIs do not count in your book.

The training really cant be considered since we didnt draft them, train them, and send them over.

They are full time professionals who have had their training done prior to the war starting.
The equipment costs are included with the budget proposals.

I disagree, draft or not. We spent money training these 1671 people and now they are dead. So if you want a true cost of the war in Iraq you have to factor in the human costs.

Either way, we have to replace these 1671 people so the cost of replacing them has to be added to the total cost of the war.

Just because this is someone?s job does not mean it is ok if they die. I understand that no one making these people join but that does not mean their lives and the training costs to get them ready for their job do no count.

They were trained before hand not after the war.
Training costs cant be included.

 

[irwincur]

Poor libs. Lost the election and now crying about it - big surprise. Fvcking sore losers.

Like the people on the right had any choice when Clinton was spending our money to arm North Korea with the technology to destroy the West Coast. This is part of representative government, if you don't like it leave. Go live somewhere where they take all of your money - then you can't complain. Europe would be a good place to start. Then when they go bankrupt and start fighting eachother and you get shot in the face, don't come back crying.

Give me a break. I am sick and tired of the bltching and complaining coming from the left. It isn't even practical, it is just pure childish crap. But, at this point, I really don't expect much more from the left.

 

[Infohawk]

:roll:

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: irwincur
Poor libs. Lost the election and now crying about it - big surprise. Fvcking sore losers.

Like the people on the right had any choice when Clinton was spending our money to arm North Korea with the technology to destroy the West Coast. This is part of representative government, if you don't like it leave. Go live somewhere where they take all of your money - then you can't complain. Europe would be a good place to start. Then when they go bankrupt and start fighting eachother and you get shot in the face, don't come back crying.

Give me a break. I am sick and tired of the bltching and complaining coming from the left. It isn't even practical, it is just pure childish crap. But, at this point, I really don't expect much more from the left.

:roll:

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: irwincur
Poor libs. Lost the election and now crying about it - big surprise. Fvcking sore losers.

Like the people on the right had any choice when Clinton was spending our money to arm North Korea with the technology to destroy the West Coast. This is part of representative government, if you don't like it leave. Go live somewhere where they take all of your money - then you can't complain. Europe would be a good place to start. Then when they go bankrupt and start fighting eachother and you get shot in the face, don't come back crying.

Give me a break. I am sick and tired of the bltching and complaining coming from the left. It isn't even practical, it is just pure childish crap. But, at this point, I really don't expect much more from the left.

This post is as useless as the OP.