I'm sick of the stupid stimulus...

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umbrella39

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That's my point...construction in MI is always bad, now its getting out of control.

How is creating long term jobs socialist?

I'm not so sure it is the best way to spend money either however some of the roads around here are pure shit but I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. Our roads disintegrate as soon as the concrete hardens apparently.
 

Red Dawn

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I don't know about MI but here in MA after a hard winter the roads are always in need of repair. In fat we could use some of that Stim money to fix up streets what the cities can't afford too.
 

Mani

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The point of stimulus is short-term job creation. If it were long-term, it would simply be a state budget increase.
 

ayabe

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The US has terrible roads compared to much of Europe and money that you may think is being spent needlessly does have a purpose.
 

Modelworks

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I see many people saying that spending money for new roads is a good thing, but you may want to actually look where that money is going. I see it mentioned all the time here in NC that they are spending more money on fixing roads. Sounds great till you see what they are doing. They are not going to the roads that are falling apart and need the most work, they are improving roads that were just re-done 5 years ago and just happen to be in the affluent areas of the city. Here we have a major highway that has thousands of vehicles every day, the road is so bad that weeds are growing in the middle of the road through the cracks. People play dodge the pothole games . So DOT spends money on improving the roads, as soon as that highway gets into the city where the upper class people reside the road is smooth as silk, once it exits that area it is back to potholes.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Construction projects are estimated in how long it will take.

If possible, they DOT wants the work completed by November to avoid weather related issues.

If a project is expected to be completed in 6 months; that means it must be started between March and May for that area.

Much also depends on equipment/manpower availability if transitioining from another project.

Yeah, I understand that, but you'd think they could have used a phased approach and not torn apart two of the three bridges over the interstate that served the track. 400,000 to 500,000 people attend that event every year and they really should have been smarter with how they handled it.
 

CycloWizard

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well, we got a lot of badly needed roads paved around here. Quit your bitching --- I'm kinda happy to drive down a SMOOTH ass road. Damn some people will bitch, scream, cry, kick at anything.
Want better local roads? Pay higher local taxes. It's not a difficult concept.
 

TwinsenTacquito

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well, we got a lot of badly needed roads paved around here. Quit your bitching --- I'm kinda happy to drive down a SMOOTH ass road. Damn some people will bitch, scream, cry, kick at anything.

I'm supposed to be happy that somebody stole my paycheck to pay to tear up a road they just paved so they can pave it again? I sure do love people taking my money just to make my road worse.
 

evident

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The reason these projects exist is to give more opportunity to siphon off stimulus funds into the correct bank accounts. Why would they tear up one road twice in a 6 months just to repave it, and ignore the road a quarter mile away that needs to be paved?


Part of my commute in NJ involves going down a stretch of I295 that' has potholes all over the road, probably the worst road i've driven for the last 3 years. recently there's been construction and i was thinking, oh great! finally they're going to repave the road! WRONG! they are digging up the median and cleaning removing tree branches from the little wooded section between the north and southbound, and they've been doing this for the last 4 weeks. WTF???? all of this while their heavy machinery creates more potholes and they just stop gap fill them in but they just become pot holes again a few days later. im so disgusted with this stupid state.
 

Siddhartha

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100416...5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNpbmFudGktc3RpbXU-

anti-stimulus SC, money is making a difference

By MEG KINNARD, Associated Press Writer Meg Kinnard, Associated Press Writer – Fri Apr 16, 3:29 am ET
AIKEN, S.C. – Most people in South Carolina didn't vote for Barack Obama and didn't want any part of his stimulus cash, and folks in a particularly poor, hard-hit swath near the Georgia line were no exception. Until the money showed up.

About $1.6 billion was used to create 3,100 temporary jobs in a rural corner of the state cleaning up the Savannah River Site, which already employed about 9,000 and churned out radioactive metals for the nation's nuclear arsenal during the Cold War.

"I am convinced it's what kept Aiken's economy stronger than most communities during these poor economic times," said David Jamison, president of the chamber of commerce in that solidly Republican city just north of the nuclear facility. "I think it has worked exactly like the way Washington had in mind. ... I see it every single day."

Indeed, opposition to the president and the stimulus were fierce in traditionally conservative South Carolina, which Republican John McCain carried in the 2008 presidential election. GOP Gov. Mark Sanford led angry residents in the charge to keep stimulus money for education out of the state, saying it would ultimately leave the economy in worse shape when the money dries up next year.

So far, though, that chunk of the $787 billion appears to be doing what the president promised: keep unemployment rates already among the highest in the nation from skyrocketing and give residents some hope that they could fight their way through the worst economic decline since the Great Depression.

The recession has wiped out 8.2 million U.S. jobs, making competition for openings fierce. On average, there are five or six unemployed people competing for each opening, according to government data.

That image is sharp in South Carolina, where unemployment in February was 12.5 percent, the fourth-highest in the country. Near Savannah River, Allendale County had the state's second-highest jobless rate at 22.4 percent. Two other nearby counties, Barnwell and Bamberg, were 19.9 percent and 17.7 percent in February.

The new hires came from a broad area including parts of South Carolina and Georgia, and unemployment rates have continued to creep upward even since the positions were filled. It was unlikely the jobs would strongly impact rates in any single county, but Obama has said the recession would have been worse without the stimulus and jobs like those at Savannah River.

The cost? Around $500,000 per job — but that money covers overhead and other costs at the site.

Thousands of applicants flocked to job fairs and waited hours in the hot sun for a chance to speak with Savannah River recruiters. To one of those new employees, it wasn't just a job opportunity — it was a saving grace.

Bob McClearen worked at Savannah River for 18 years until he was laid off in 1997, working on company presentations and business development. McClearen then struggled for more than a decade to make ends meet, opening a shipping store with his brother-in-law until that business closed last year because of the recession.

Scrambling to pay the mortgage on the shuttered store, McClearen said he jumped at the opportunity to return to Savannah River when a friend still onsite told him about the new jobs. Now, McClearen is a technical editor, helping engineers plan cleanup efforts for the reactors and making sure photographs are taken before and after the work.

"To me, this is home," McClearen said. "Some people are half empty, half full people. I'm just glad to have a glass with something in it."

Megan Elliott had just graduated from college when she learned about the new positions. Now, she sees her job doing communications for Savannah River as a resume-builder. The 26-year-old had sent her resume to companies from New York to California before being hired in June 2009.

"I was just kind of floating from temporary job to temporary job," Elliott said. "As tough as it was for already employed individuals, it was also tough getting your foot in the door as a recent graduate."

McClearen and Elliott might owe their jobs to the stimulus, but several prominent anti-stimulus voices envision a more dire outcome.

U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, who didn't support the stimulus and has called the effort a failure, said he's worried the massive influx of cash won't be properly managed. He also has warned of looming higher taxes that he says could shutter the businesses the package was supposed to help.

"The fact that the stimulus created some economic activity in that area is a good thing," Graham said.

However, he said, "I worry about, has this money been absorbed in a rational process? Is it going to projects that are worthy?"

Dennis Saylor, who chairs local Republican efforts in Aiken County, said he supports any growth at Savannah River but wishes the current expansion were more permanent.

"Aiken County was strongly against President Obama, but we are benefiting from his administration right now through some of the stimulus money," Saylor says. "I just wish it was a better funded source as opposed to newly printed money."

Meanwhile, at Jess Walker's Carolina Bar-B-Que, as many as 800 people line up every day for pulled pork, hash and rice at his family owned restaurant just miles from Savannah River's gates.

Business here has always been brisk since Walker opened in 1969. But Walker said his stream of customers has managed to stay steady even during the darkest of economic times, an even keel he attributes to the employees doing stimulus-funded work at Savannah River.

"Without the plant, we wouldn't be here," he said, as customers began to fill his restaurant. "It's the reason we even exist."
 

Exterous

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I don't know about MI but here in MA after a hard winter the roads are always in need of repair. In fat we could use some of that Stim money to fix up streets what the cities can't afford too.

While the construction is usually prett bad in MI I agree with Rudeguy that this year is particularly bad. Starting next week I will have to take my 4th different route home due to continuing road closures.

And not all of the work is because the road needs fixing. In one case they are re-doing the on/off ramps to get rid of the traffic lights and put in round-abouts. As someone who takes this (or used to anyway) route home every workday during peak hours there was nothing wrong with the current system

It would be far better to clean up some of the Detroit area shit-hole than add a round about to a place that doesn't need it
 

tk149

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If you HAVE to spend the stimulus money, then roadbuilding is a good way to do it. It creates and sustains infrastructure, which in turn, facilitates long-term job creation.

That being said, if they are tearing up perfectly good roads and just rebuilding them without substantially improving them, that's a sinful waste. Is the OP sure that they aren't installing new drainage, widening lanes, etc?