I'm sick and tired of seeing Che Guevara t-shirts...

[SpanishFry]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: JS80
This country was built and is where it is today because of capitalism. If you believe in communism, no political activism will change the structure of the US economy. Hence, if you don't support capitalism GET THE FVCK OUT.

:thumbsup:

Proletariat, Che was all about "the people" right? Looks like "the people" have spoken.

I don't think 4 members of a forum constitute the 'people'.

And its pretty rude to tell someone to get the fvck out of a forum just because they like someone you don't.

I don't think it's based on this one thread. Your kind thrive in P&N, this world is not for you.

What world is that? The 'you-either-agree-with-me-or-get-the-fvck-out-world?'

I don't think thats what this forum is so why don't you get the fvck out?

Aww....no, I was speaking about ATOT in general. I could be more specific with non-trolls.

By the way, that's one huge hypocritical swing in a single post. :thumbsup:

When have I trolled in this thread genius?

You want a ? Don't choke now.

Come on douche, work with me a little here. If you look a little ways up, you will see: I don't think it's based on this one thread.

OK douche kindly point me to a thread where I have trolled.

Wtf? you couldn't come up with your own name to call me? YOU DOUCHE. ME ______ .

and as for your request: Text

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: JS80
This country was built and is where it is today because of capitalism. If you believe in communism, no political activism will change the structure of the US economy. Hence, if you don't support capitalism GET THE FVCK OUT.

:thumbsup:

Proletariat, Che was all about "the people" right? Looks like "the people" have spoken.

I don't think 4 members of a forum constitute the 'people'.

And its pretty rude to tell someone to get the fvck out of a forum just because they like someone you don't.

I don't think it's based on this one thread. Your kind thrive in P&N, this world is not for you.

What world is that? The 'you-either-agree-with-me-or-get-the-fvck-out-world?'

I don't think thats what this forum is so why don't you get the fvck out?

Aww....no, I was speaking about ATOT in general. I could be more specific with non-trolls.

By the way, that's one huge hypocritical swing in a single post. :thumbsup:

When have I trolled in this thread genius?

You want a ? Don't choke now.

Come on douche, work with me a little here. If you look a little ways up, you will see: I don't think it's based on this one thread.

OK douche kindly point me to a thread where I have trolled.

Wtf? you couldn't come up with your own name to call me? YOU DOUCHE. ME ______ .

and as for your request: Text

When did I troll in that thread? All I said was thats the south for ya, I never took anything away from his individual accomplishment. You guys have resorted to name-calling in this thread and thats more trollish than anything I siad.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
WTF guys? He was a commie, he was not cool, *YOU* are not cool by wearing a red t-shirt with his pic, and communism is evil, k???

I think that many of the older generation would be completely disgusted if they knew that the enemy that they fought in WW II and Korea and Vietnam was being propagated in such a mindless way.

:roll:

There's nothing wrong with communism in theory. It just hasn't worked in practice and it probably never will.

Of course there's something wrong with communism. It says everyone makes the same amount. I'd be pretty pissed off if someone took half my income and gave it to the janitor.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Not that I give a ****** about Che Guevara or this thread in general but I'd like to call attention to the hilarity that is this statement.

Considering one of the founding principles of Objectivism or whatever she cleverly titled her hacked together philosophy on the backs of others' work is:

"Objectivism rejects any form of altruism."

How does that work?

I'll go ahead and defin Altruism for those less vocab savvy:

al·tru·ism Audio pronunciation of "altruism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ltr-zm)
n.

1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness.

Carry on.

Oppression is forcing people to do things they don't want to do.

I don't want anything I worked for to go to someone who didn't earn it.

Forced altrusim is oppression.

The opposite of oppresion is freedom. Rand's philosophy was summed up in Atlas Shrugged with the declaration: "I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

In The Fountainhead, "I wished to come here and say that I am a man who does not exist for others."

Those two statements mean absolute freedom.

 

[SpanishFry]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: JS80
This country was built and is where it is today because of capitalism. If you believe in communism, no political activism will change the structure of the US economy. Hence, if you don't support capitalism GET THE FVCK OUT.

:thumbsup:

Proletariat, Che was all about "the people" right? Looks like "the people" have spoken.

I don't think 4 members of a forum constitute the 'people'.

And its pretty rude to tell someone to get the fvck out of a forum just because they like someone you don't.

I don't think it's based on this one thread. Your kind thrive in P&N, this world is not for you.

What world is that? The 'you-either-agree-with-me-or-get-the-fvck-out-world?'

I don't think thats what this forum is so why don't you get the fvck out?

Aww....no, I was speaking about ATOT in general. I could be more specific with non-trolls.

By the way, that's one huge hypocritical swing in a single post. :thumbsup:

When have I trolled in this thread genius?

You want a ? Don't choke now.

Come on douche, work with me a little here. If you look a little ways up, you will see: I don't think it's based on this one thread.

OK douche kindly point me to a thread where I have trolled.

Wtf? you couldn't come up with your own name to call me? YOU DOUCHE. ME ______ .

and as for your request: Text

When did I troll in that thread? All I said was thats the south for ya, I never took anything away from his individual accomplishment. You guys have resorted to name-calling in this thread and thats more trollish than anything I siad.

You made several ignorant comments about the South without a single response, everyone ignored you for a while and you still continued on. Your first reply was enough, but that's what a troll does. Keep feeding the flames until someone says something.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Not that I give a ****** about Che Guevara or this thread in general but I'd like to call attention to the hilarity that is this statement.

Considering one of the founding principles of Objectivism or whatever she cleverly titled her hacked together philosophy on the backs of others' work is:

"Objectivism rejects any form of altruism."

How does that work?

I'll go ahead and defin Altruism for those less vocab savvy:

al·tru·ism Audio pronunciation of "altruism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ltr-zm)
n.

1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness.

Carry on.

Oppression is forcing people to do things they don't want to do.

I don't want anything I worked for to go to someone who didn't earn it.

Forced altrusim is oppression.

The opposite of oppresion is freedom. Rand's philosophy was summed up in Atlas Shrugged with the declaration: "I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

In The Fountainhead, "I wished to come here and say that I am a man who does not exist for others."

Those two statements mean absolute freedom.

haha nice pwnzor

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: JS80
This country was built and is where it is today because of capitalism. If you believe in communism, no political activism will change the structure of the US economy. Hence, if you don't support capitalism GET THE FVCK OUT.

:thumbsup:

Proletariat, Che was all about "the people" right? Looks like "the people" have spoken.

I don't think 4 members of a forum constitute the 'people'.

And its pretty rude to tell someone to get the fvck out of a forum just because they like someone you don't.

I don't think it's based on this one thread. Your kind thrive in P&N, this world is not for you.

What world is that? The 'you-either-agree-with-me-or-get-the-fvck-out-world?'

I don't think thats what this forum is so why don't you get the fvck out?

Aww....no, I was speaking about ATOT in general. I could be more specific with non-trolls.

By the way, that's one huge hypocritical swing in a single post. :thumbsup:

When have I trolled in this thread genius?

You want a ? Don't choke now.

Come on douche, work with me a little here. If you look a little ways up, you will see: I don't think it's based on this one thread.

OK douche kindly point me to a thread where I have trolled.

Wtf? you couldn't come up with your own name to call me? YOU DOUCHE. ME ______ .

and as for your request: Text

When did I troll in that thread? All I said was thats the south for ya, I never took anything away from his individual accomplishment. You guys have resorted to name-calling in this thread and thats more trollish than anything I siad.

You made several ignorant comments about the South without a single response, everyone ignored you for a while and you still continued on. Your first reply was enough, but that's what a troll does. Keep feeding the flames until someone says something.

Yea and calling people a douche isn't :roll: Anyways I apologized afterwards so whatev.

 

[Proletariat]

DP

 

[SpanishFry]

Originally posted by: Proletariat


Yea and calling people a douche isn't :roll: Anyways I apologized afterwards so whatev.

At least I had my target pinpointed and had some reason for what I said.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat


Yea and calling people a douche isn't :roll: Anyways I apologized afterwards so whatev.

At least I had my target pinpointed and had some reason for what I said.

You're reason? You don't like someone I like.

AMAZING reason.

If I had directed that comment against a single entity or country as a whole I would say you had a point but it wasn't, and beyond that I apologized to the OP and complimented him.

 

[JLGatsby]

nevermind

 

[ngvepforever2]

The Che's cause was noble but he got corrupted along the way. Normally, that's what power does to you...

Regards

ng

 

[SpanishFry]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: Proletariat


Yea and calling people a douche isn't :roll: Anyways I apologized afterwards so whatev.

At least I had my target pinpointed and had some reason for what I said.

You're reason? You don't like someone I like.

AMAZING reason.

If I had directed that comment against a single entity or country as a whole I would say you had a point but it wasn't, and beyond that I apologized to the OP and complimented him.

That's exactly what I would expect a douche to say. 😀

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Not that I give a ****** about Che Guevara or this thread in general but I'd like to call attention to the hilarity that is this statement.

Considering one of the founding principles of Objectivism or whatever she cleverly titled her hacked together philosophy on the backs of others' work is:

"Objectivism rejects any form of altruism."

How does that work?

I'll go ahead and defin Altruism for those less vocab savvy:

al·tru·ism Audio pronunciation of "altruism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ltr-zm)
n.

1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness.

Carry on.

Oppression is forcing people to do things they don't want to do.

I don't want anything I worked for to go to someone who didn't earn it.

Forced altrusim is oppression.

The opposite of oppresion is freedom. Rand's philosophy was summed up in Atlas Shrugged with the declaration: "I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

In The Fountainhead, "I wished to come here and say that I am a man who does not exist for others."

Those two statements mean absolute freedom.

Her so called philosophy if you choose to use such a word so negatively, I prefer cult in this case revolves around narcissistic, step over whoever is in your way, do whatever you want to attitude yet in other places she appeals to logic and reason and doing what is right... Her entire philsophy is more 'subjective' than 'objective' pardon the pun and is a walking contradiction.

It's not even worth getting into a debate over because you're obviously completely biased in the subject, hell you even quoted her novels... so let me leave you with this question:

"There is only one fundamental alternative in the universe: existence or non-existence--and it pertains to a single class of entities: to living organisms. ... But a plant has no choice of action; ... : it acts automatically to further its life, it cannot act for its own destruction. An animal ... . But so long as it lives, ... it is unable to ignore its own good, unable to decide to choose the evil and act as its own destroyer."

You'll recognize these as Ayn Rand's words I'm sure... but in her totalitarian view of the world in the everyone who disagrees with her philosophy must be wrong, how can you explain behavior in creatures like mammals, whose females get pregnant to further their species yet sometimes live in an environment where there is no male to protect them and the female's chance for survival goes down exponentially because of the children...?

What about a male praying mantis who knows full and well that mating with his female will result in death?

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Text
Enjoy

Would someone please order one of those for me? They don't ship to Canada. 🙁

- M4H

Originally posted by: bobbybe01
then you need this shirt!!!!

Got more ? I still have some space in here 😛

 

[JLGatsby]

but in her totalitarian view of the world in the everyone who disagrees with her philosophy must be wrong

If you have a certain opinion, and you don't think those who oppose you are wrong, you don't really hold that opinion, do you? I don't even understand what you're talking about.

How can you have a certain opinion on something and not believe that those who oppose you are wrong?

how can you explain behavior in creatures like mammals, whose females get pregnant to further their species yet sometimes live in an environment where there is no male to protect them and the female's chance for survival goes down exponentially because of the children...?

I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you somehow trying to justify welfare programs?

What about a male praying mantis who knows full and well that mating with his female will result in death?

Don't have a clue as to where you're getting at.

Point is

My life is my life, your life is your life. My problems are my problems and your problems are your problems. We are each our own sovereign individuals. End of story.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I only wear Chuck Norris t-shirts.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

but in her totalitarian view of the world in the everyone who disagrees with her philosophy must be wrong

If you have a certain opinion, and you don't think those who oppose you are wrong, you don't really hold that opinion, do you? I don't even understand what you're talking about.

How can you have a certain opinion on something and not believe that those who oppose you are wrong?

how can you explain behavior in creatures like mammals, whose females get pregnant to further their species yet sometimes live in an environment where there is no male to protect them and the female's chance for survival goes down exponentially because of the children...?

I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you somehow trying to justify welfare programs?

What about a male praying mantis who knows full and well that mating with his female will result in death?

Don't have a clue as to where you're getting at.

Point is

My life is my life, your life is your life. My problems are my problems and your problems are your problems. We are each our own sovereign individuals. End of story.

I think the answer "we're not fvcking insects" would have sufficed.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I only wear Chuck Norris t-shirts.

:thumbsup:

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I only wear Chuck Norris t-shirts.

:thumbsup:

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
WTF guys? He was a commie, he was not cool, *YOU* are not cool by wearing a red t-shirt with his pic, and communism is evil, k???

I think that many of the older generation would be completely disgusted if they knew that the enemy that they fought in WW II and Korea and Vietnam was being propagated in such a mindless way.

:roll:

There's nothing wrong with communism in theory. It just hasn't worked in practice and it probably never will.

LadyBuggy,

There *is* something fundamentally wrong with the communist theory. Any system of government that tries to create equality where it ought not exist is wrong. The fact of the matter is that many people deserve more or less than others.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Thats why they came here 🙂

So when are you moving to Cuba?

Er Never I like it plenty fine here 🙂

Like I said before I like Buddha and Jesus, should I move to India or Israel just because of that?

don't compare your commie che loving to worship of budda or jesus. unless you want to say its irrational😛 but maybe thats your thing, you have to be irrational to worship the war criminal that is che and the horrible reprecussions of his actions that lead to great suffering. you have to turn a blind eye ot the horror to continue your twisted worship of a man that deserves none. its an irrational following. now if you admired hitler for his charisma but realized he was a monster, that would a objective look at a man, but che worship is just religious nonsense perpetrating myths and certainly no one would wear a freakin tshirt with hitlers face on it. now if america was completely opposed to jesus and budda and you lived here just to enjoy the benifits, yes you would be a hipocrite. if your ideological stance meant anything in the real world you would go where your values are in practice.

He never ruled over anything. His ideas have obviously been kept alive tho. Just look at the elections in Latin America.

yes..the monster is kept alive. you think thats a good thing? the quet authoritarianism of chavez and such? where oil wealth is used to hold onto power like it is in the middle east? where he's made a mockery of democracy by destroying all checks and balances to game the system? if bush wiped out the senate, vastly increased the size of the supreme court so he could fill it with stooges, lowered the 2/3rd vote to plain majority for passing bills so he could slip anything by and fiddled with election laws to make sure his people had unfair advantage you'd probably shoot yourself. and thats just a few of the things he's done. he's learned a lot of things from che indeed😛 and no, the poor really haven't benifitied no matter what he says or does by any measurable standard. foregin policy magazine has a good feature on his new style of authoritarianism. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/
Che Guevara: The Killing Machine | www.vcrisis.com
http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200507081316
The <i>Real</i> Che Guevara
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/24/212049.shtml
The Cult of Che - Don't applaud The Motorcycle Diaries. By Paul Berman
http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/

 

[Agnostos Insania]

From what I've read of Che he was against consumerism and would probably be against idol worship (I haven't read too much about him).
Che T-shirts at Hot Topic (inflated price too) as the "in" thing for 20-something suburban white Americans is exactly what Che had in mind.

 

[Aquila76]

Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
From what I've read of Che he was against consumerism and would probably be against idol worship (I haven't read too much about him).
Che T-shirts at Hot Topic (inflated price too) as the "in" thing for 20-something suburban white Americans is exactly what Che had in mind.

I think this proves why capitalism is a better theory than communism. I prefer libertarianism myself, tho.

 

[J Heartless Slick]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
WTF guys? He was a commie, he was not cool, *YOU* are not cool by wearing a red t-shirt with his pic, and communism is evil, k???

I think that many of the older generation would be completely disgusted if they knew that the enemy that they fought in WW II and Korea and Vietnam was being propagated in such a mindless way.


:roll:

Just in case no one has pointed this out....

The US fought:
the Germans, Italians, and Japanese in WWII
The Koreans and Chinese during the Korean "conflict".
The Vietnese and Chinese(?) during the Vietnam War.

Of course this thread could be a joke and you know better.