I'm moving to canada where you can smoke pot and get good cable modem service!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The punishment should fit the crime, asshole, or justice is moot.

Gee, you have such a large and diverse vocabulary, can I be your friend ?

So you guys are telling me that it is OK to steal and nobody should be arrested for it ?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Wirtz even lost his VCR in the deal, and Sylvania Township police debated confiscating his Xbox gaming console, but decided to leave it behind. The officers confiscated his legitimate CD copies of Windows Office and several operating systems, all of his burned CD's, and a security card writing machine instead.



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The cops probably were onto his security card writing operation and the thing with his cable modem was just an opportunity for him to slip up enough for the cops to get a search warrant. I mean 12 plain clothes policeman assigned to nab someone for stealing bandwidth?

The paragraph from the article before the ones Mrburns2007 posted:

One of several defendants we spoke to places his estimated lost income and hardware at over half a million dollars. Brandon Wirtz, who operates more than one business out of his home, was on the verge of releasing a Smartcard based DRM solution for Windows Media Player to several different companies before his life was turned upside-down. Wirtz is a respected young writer, consultant and tech wiz in the industry, and In April will be Awarded a Microsoft MVP award for his involvement in the Windows Media Community.

Yep, real criminal here... hey, and nice to see some people still don't read the article before they make some snappy jerk-off post too...

 

[FrogDog]

Originally posted by: kami

Originally posted by: Kiyup
Canadian women are for the most part hotties.

*nods* my school is full of them. it's overwhelming at times.

Yeah same here...

 

Yep, real criminal here... hey, and nice to see some people still don't read the article before they make some snappy jerk-off post too...

Oooh, you are so witty, can I have some more insults ?

Jee, I guess it's OK to break the law where you live.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Roger

The punishment should fit the crime, asshole, or justice is moot.

Gee, you have such a large and diverse vacabulary, can I be your friend ?

So you guys are telling me that it is OK to steal and nobody should be arrested for it ?

Did I say that? Or do you always twist words?
I said the punishment should fit the crime.
At worst, the person is question stole a couple of thousand in service. Yet, his fines and lost property due to unconstitutional confiscation will exceed hundreds of thousands.
No one is perfect, Roger, not even you. Remember that. Someday you will screw up on a small thing too. How do you wish to be treated when (not if) that happens? Never wish an injustice on someone else that you would not want to happen to yourself in the same position.

 

I did not say that it was not fair, I said that he broke the law, he stole the service so he should be arrested for it, I said nothing else.

You are taking my words out of context.

Oh, by the way, can you call me some other ugly names ?
I really enjoyed that

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: Roger

Yep, real criminal here... hey, and nice to see some people still don't read the article before they make some snappy jerk-off post too...

Oooh, you are so witty, can I have some more insults ?

Jee, I guess it's OK to break the law where you live.

Roger,

I know for a fact that you've sped in your VW bus.

Nearly every one of us has done something legally questionable, but the question we have to ask in such instances is simple: is the justice being served reasonable, considering the crime?

A year in prison and loss of nearly half a million dollars, to you, is justifiable, considering he occasionally used more bandwidth than he was allocated?

I guess McOwen's legal troubles were justified as well, then?

Rob

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: Roger
I did not say that it was not fair, I said that he broke the law, he stole the service so he should be arrested for it, I said nothing else.

You are taking my words out of context.

Oh, by the way, can you call me some other ugly names ?
I really enjoyed that

You implied that it was fair with this comment:

Theft of service, he deserved it, period.

From a strictly legal perspective, you are correct, I suppose; however, many of us rely on other authorities than the law.

Rob

 

I did not say that Rob, i said and I quote, he broke the law by stealing, therefor he should be arrested for it.
I did not say that it was unfair and he lost a boatload of cash.

Please read my words and understand

I just happen to agree that it is unfair to him, but, he still should be arrested for that crime.
If you let this one person go, why not all criminals ?

 

[Maverick]

he did break the law and he should be punished, but what happened was excessive no matter how you look at it.

basically this community spent the same amount of tax dollars on this guy than they would on a drug or small arms bust. Thats ridiculous IMO.

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: Roger
I did not say that Rob, i said and I quote, he broke the law by stealing, therefor he should be arrested for it.
I did not say that it was unfair and he lost a boatload of cash.

Please read my words and understand

You said he deserved it, Roger. Deserve implies something beyond the legal issues; it implies that his punishment is warranted by his actions.

Rob

 

[MinorityReport]

Roger went to Taco bell and refilled his soda when it clearly said " No refills please".

Damm, he had to spend the night in county with all his freinds .... I will not imagine who or what got refilled there.

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: Roger
I did not say that Rob, i said and I quote, he broke the law by stealing, therefor he should be arrested for it.
I did not say that it was unfair and he lost a boatload of cash.

Please read my words and understand

I just happen to agree that it is unfair to him, but, he still should be areested for that crime.
If you let this one person go, why not all criminals ?

I ask again: what was your take on the McOwen issue? I'm honestly not sure, since I don't remember you arguing one way or another.

Rob

 

I'm sorry you guys took it that way, I meant that he deserved to be arrested.

Well I can see that I am fighting a losing battle, you guys win.
I am not going to sit and argue over why some people should be exempt from the law.
If you guys think it is OK to break the law and get away with it, fine.

End of discussion.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Roger
I did not say that it was not fair, I said that he broke the law, he stole the service so he should be arrested for it, I said nothing else.

You are taking my words out of context.

Oh, by the way, can you call me some other ugly names ?
I really enjoyed that

Heh, I took your words no more out of context that you took mine.
And I enjoyed it too, Roger, else I wouldn't have done it. I work hard on my vocabulary too, so I'm glad to see you liked it.
But I dislike people who think that our justice system is their own personal revenge network. It's not, it's about righting wrongs and making things fair. All criminals should be punished, but not all criminals deserve jail, life in prison, or the chair. Some are good people who made small mistakes. The ability to tell the difference between them and the real criminals is the very essense of justice.

 

Hey Vic, that's what the courts are for.

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: Roger
I'm sorry you guys took it that way, I meant that he deserved to be arrested.

Well I can see that I am fighting a losing battle, you guys win.
I am not going to sit and argue over why some people should be exempt from the law.
If you guys think it is OK to break the law and get away with it, fine.

End of discussion.

Roger,

That's why the legislative system still relies on the decision making process. Unfortunately, this person will likely be charged with everything under the sun (did you note that they estimated over $11,000/person in bandwidth theft? It would be interesting to see how they came across this estimate), and will likely end up in prison for what he did.

If I'm pulled over for 65 in a 45, technically I could be charged with reckless driving, arrested, and arraigned. Is that likely? No, because the cop exercises their judgement; though I may deserve a ticket, a fine, etc., I don't deserve prison time. Even using it as a threat against me is ridiculous.

This country, unfortunately, is doing too little when it comes to these issues; the justice system is becoming more and more of a retributive tool for businesses, and less and less a tool to protect society. You may disagree, and that's fine; however, I resolutely stand that it is beyond fair - it is, in fact, ludicrous that people would even expect such charges to stick. I agree that he should be legally dealt with - he should be fined; he is not exempt from the law - but not in this manner.

Rob

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Yes, he broke the TOS. Revoke his cable privelages and fine him. Is it REALLY necessary to have 12 officers storm in, ransack your home, and walk out with $1,000's worth of equipment that you will probably never see again.

This is almost as rediculous as having your vehicle siezed for buying $30 worth of pot.

it's more ridiculous

 

Rob;
What is it going to take to get you to understand me, I said I agree that the actions taken against him was unfair, I was only stating that he should have been arrested for theft of service.

I meant nothing else, that was it.

Understand ?

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: Roger
Rob;
What is it going to take to get you to understand me, I said I agree that the actions taken against him was unfair, I was only stating that he should have been arrested for theft of service.

I meant nothing else, that was it.

Understand ?

What charges should be arraigned on?

Rob

 

Theft Rob, theft.---Larceny to be exact---
He stole the service from the cable company, that is a criminal offense.
He should have been brought to jail, fingerprinted and let loose on a bond.

In my eyes, there is no difference between what he did and a common shoplifter, they both are thieves.
Just because you cannot physically hold in your hand what he stole does not mean he did not steal it.

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: Roger
Theft Rob, theft.
He stole the service from the cable company, that is a criminal offense.
He should have been brought to jail, fingerprinted and let loose on a bond.

In my eyes, there is no difference between what he did and a common shoplifter, they both are thieves.

Theft isn't such a simple crime. There is a large difference between a shoplifter and a car thief.

Keep in mind, I'm not disagreeing with you; I'm simply interested in what punishment you think fits such a crime.

Were the situation ideal, he would be forced to pay retributions (fair retributions) to the cable company. That's all the punishment that I believe he deserves. And you?

Rob

 

[hungrypete]

hey roger, you might want to waste your tax money on stupid sh!t like this but I don't

the punishment should fit the crime, and it does not do that in this case

Can someone tell me the consequences of stealing cable television? Somehow I don't think they confiscate every TV and VCR in your house.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Entity
Were the situation ideal, he would be forced to pay retributions (fair retributions) to the cable company. That's all the punishment that I believe he deserves. And you?

Make him handle tech support calls for awhile. He'll be begging for jail inside a week.

Originally posted by: hungrypete
Can someone tell me the consequences of stealing cable television? Somehow I don't think they confiscate every TV and VCR in your house.

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? Theft - larceny, depending on how long you steal for - and it's a crime against the FCC, the F stands for Federal. You're going to get shafted - and how!

- M4H

 

Rob;
Are you reading my posts ?

All I am saying is THAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED, THAT IS ALL

I already stated that I thought it was an unfair punishment.

hey roger, you might want to waste your tax money on stupid sh!t like this but I don't

the punishment should fit the crime, and it does not do that in this case

Are you people blind

READ MY PREVIOUS POST