I'm horrible at math. Could some explain Calculus to me?

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Cogman

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If I were to sum up the overall goal of calculus, it is a tool for interpreting the way functions behave. Everything from the derivative to the Discrete Fourier transform have to do with the way functions perform.

Maybe this was just my school book/teacher, but the very first part of calc 1 was the hardest, after that it was down hill.
 

Gibson486

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Really? My calc 1 professor taught the fundamental theorem the first day of class.

fundamental therom of calculus says that an integral and a derivative are inverse operations to each other....

NOt sure why you would teach that on the first day of a calc 1 class....
 

theflyingpig

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fundamental therom of calculus says that an integral and a derivative are inverse operations to each other....

NOt sure why you would teach that on the first day of a calc 1 class....

The only way his story makes sense is if he's lying, which he is. There's no reason to even introduce the fundamental theorem on the first day. Students will have no idea what's going on. Everyone knows this.
 

DrPizza

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Your examples certainly do not match schneiderguy's general form. On one there is a constant as the exponent on your first one it is the variable. On the next you have a constant as the entire function.

Wtf? There is no general form written, only one explicit example after a description in words which both of my counter-examples met. I pointed out those examples, because it's common for people to learn the rule exactly as Schneiderguy stated it, leading to those exact same two errors. In fact, when teaching the power rule, virtually every calculus textbook gives something similar to my second counter-example as a type of "gotcha" question in the problem sets.
 
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FelixDeCat

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Never studied calculus and so far havent needed it. But I think DrP would be a good teacher. ;)
 

jman19

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Wtf? There is no general form written, only one explicit example after a description in words which both of my counter-examples met. I pointed out those examples, because it's common for people to learn the rule exactly as Schneiderguy stated it, leading to those exact same two errors. In fact, when teaching the power rule, virtually every calculus textbook gives something similar to my second counter-example as a type of "gotcha" question in the problem sets.

Pi isn't a variable.
 

jman19

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Calculus is taught in three parts. The first thing they'll try to teach you is limits. The only reason they try to teach you limits is so that they can prove that differentiation (see below) works. This is pretty much pointless. You know about the quadratic formula and completing the square for solving quadratic equations, right? Do you care how they work? Most of the time I just use them. So just remember enough of limits to get you through the tests on them, and forget the rest. :)

Next is differential calculus, which is a method for finding the derivative of a function. (See quote above.) It produces another function whose value is the slope of the original function at any given point. Differential calculus is kind of similar to completing the square, and a lot like baking a cake. Follow the rules and it will turn out fine. :)

Finally (as far as basic calculus goes) comes integral calculus. Integrating a function is the process of finding what function you'd need to take the derivative of to get the function you're working with. If a derivative is baking a cake, an integral is reverse-engineering a cake (figuring out how much of which ingredients went into it.) As you might imagine, this process is difficult, not always possible without dragging a computer into it, and always leaves a margin for error. One or more undefined constants are usually part of the answer; though these constants may become defined when the integral is applied to a word problem.

So to summarize, limits are stupid, derivatives are cool, and integrals are messy. ^_^



This is why I didn't finish my minor in physics. :ninja: (That big S is the symbol for an integral.)

This advice is FAIL unless you just want to learn plug-and-chug calculus. You certainly should understand *why* you can use mathematical tools rather than blindly following established conventions.
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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You don't need to know calculus for pre-calc. That's why it's pre-calc. Calculus (at least, Calculus 1, which is what I've taken) is essentially about deriving functions related to each other from each other (ie, finding position from velocity and acceleration from velocity). Rates of change, really.

fundamental therom of calculus says that an integral and a derivative are inverse operations to each other....

NOt sure why you would teach that on the first day of a calc 1 class....
Teaching kids what an integral and derivative are is easy. Teaching how to calculate them is the hard part. My professor taught us the fundamental theorem at the beginning of the second week after a quick review of functions, I think. It's a pretty simple theorem - it just looks complicated because it's worded to not be misinterpreted.
 
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schneiderguy

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So, according to schneiderguy, f(x)=e^x. So, f'(x)=xe^(x-1)?? FAIL! I don't think the OP should have to pay for errors. Or does schneiderguy mean when the exponent is a real number? f(x)=pi^4
According to schneiderguy, the derivative would be 4pi^3. Wrong again.

I'm sorry for not explicitly stating every single rule about differentiation in my 3 sentence post :eek:
 

IronWing

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