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I'm heavier than I've ever been before...

TridenT

TridenT

Lifer
I'm sitting at around 135. I was sitting at about 120 a couple to three months ago.

Highest I ever was before that was 127. (For one day a few years ago)

And, it's only because I'm taking a pill that has the side effect of increasing appetite. If I stop taking the pill then I am pretty sure that I will stop eating as much.

Those who don't remember or haven't heard: When I try to overeat/eat-a-lot-more-than-I-need-to-sustain-my-weight... My body tends to say, "Fuck you." and make me very sick. I mean, in the bathroom for 2 hours in agony sick. (It doesn't matter how healthy or balanced the diet is) Right now I'm eating a lot more than normal, which is nice, but it can't last.

So... what do I do? I can't keep taking this pill. It doesn't solve my insomnia. It only puts me to sleep initially and then makes me pretty miserable for about half of the day... I need an appetite stimulant to actually be able to eat more food without getting severely sick. 🙁
 
You can't eat more than you really need.

Eating more than you really need in terms of calories, without doing much else, can make many people sick.

One, you can try getting more probiotics; Myofusion is a protein powder with a probiotic or two - there is also yogurt, and even probiotic pills.
Two, the best way to gain weight and still feel good in life (maybe feel even better? help your other issues - possibly, no guarantees), is to get more exercise. Specifically, stress your muscles a few times a week. You need to break down muscle fibers, and make sure most of your "extra calories" is comprised of more protein than you would generally get/need. That gives your body 1) a use for your extra calories, 2) a way to "burn" those calories in a way that is actually adding mass to your body.

If someone WANTS to get weight, and it's not a temporary thing to meet weight for a certain fight class or anything, than you should ONLY want to be adding muscle and nothing else. Adding fat weight is the last thing anybody should ever want to do, ever. If you are setting yourself up to "gain weight" but aren't stressing your muscles, you are packing on weight that could be comprised mostly of fatty tissue.
Not good for you in any shape or form, so stop.

The added benefit of trying to gain muscle, as long as actually do gain muscle mass, is it can help round out some neurotransmitters and the way your body utilizes energy, not to mention your general metabolic and lipid profiles, if matched to a good nutrition regimen. That process can help bring various mental "disorders" in check, and help you simply "feel good" in a "I feel happy" sort of way. There are many reasons for it, and the boost in confidence about your body in of itself plays a role, but it's also a deep neurological/mental thing that definitely changes.
 
SociallyChallenged said:
Well, let's address this: what kind of food are you eating too much of? That in itself is a pretty big deal.
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This, and how are you eating the food? All at once, in small portions throughout the day...?

Also, if you're really looking to gain weight, as has probably been mentioned to you elsewhere already, physical activity (and weightlifting in particular) is a great appetite stimulant.

As for the sleep, see a sleep specialist if you've tried multiple meds that haven't worked. Odds are there are multiple behavioral issues that, if addressed, could result in a healthier sleep schedule.
 
what pill are you taking?
Also for some people b12 shots work. But its hit or miss. For me it works wonders at increasing my appetite while giving me alot of energy for others it does absolutely nothing. Its an IM shot at 1000mcg every 3 days.
 
Whisper said:
This, and how are you eating the food? All at once, in small portions throughout the day...?

Also, if you're really looking to gain weight, as has probably been mentioned to you elsewhere already, physical activity (and weightlifting in particular) is a great appetite stimulant.

As for the sleep, see a sleep specialist if you've tried multiple meds that haven't worked. Odds are there are multiple behavioral issues that, if addressed, could result in a healthier sleep schedule.
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I worked out for 4 years. I didn't eat much more than without physical activity. I ate the bare minimum to maintain weight. :\ Physical activity isn't a stimulant to my appetite other than to replace the exact amount of energy I've used up. If I tried to eat anymore than the essential, it made me quite ill. It didn't have to be all at once. I'm usually a person who eats things over the span of a day anyway. I don't typically do meals. I'm assuming it was one of the reasons I almost never saw any gains in the amounts that I could lift too.
 
TridenT said:
Like I said. It doesn't matter what it is. Too much food in general makes me sick.
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Excess of BAD food is likely to make you even more sick. People who have sensitive digestive systems, like you, are typically extra sensitive to highly processed foods like vegetable oils, sugars, processed carbohydrates, foods with a ton of excess ingredients (preservatives, emulsifiers, etc). It does matter. I know you haven't been around ATHF much, but know that this is not ATOT. We're actually here to help, not have every point rebutted without any thought whatsoever. Please consider what we have to say.

The simple solution is this: even if you feel hungry, you need to make sure you don't overeat. The easy way to do this is to 1) track your food intake, 2) eat food that provides a lot of satiety (you can read the fat loss sticky for info on this), and 3) eat lots of low calorie vegetables. It might not solve your hunger problem entirely, but it will likely stall weight gain and make you feel less like crap.
 
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I don't want to stall weight gain... I think you misread this entire topic?

I want to keep gaining weight even after I'm off this pill, but I don't think that's going to happen because of my experiences with eating food. That's the whole point of this thread.
 
TridenT said:
I don't want to stall weight gain... I think you misread this entire topic?

I want to keep gaining weight even after I'm off this pill, but I don't think that's going to happen because of my experiences with eating food. That's the whole point of this thread.
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I don't think you really portrayed the topic in a way that outlined your goal. When someone says "I'm heavier than I've ever been before..." there tends to be a connotation of not wanting to be that way. Either way, let me redirect to address your goal of weight gain.

Are you just trying to gain weight in general? Because if you're not being active at all, it's mostly going to be fat gain, rather than muscle gain. You've been fine until this point - perhaps the pill has gotten you past your previous limitations? If not, it is quite easy to drink many calories. Your body doesn't respond the same and you don't get the same hormonal response. An example of things to drink is milk, mixed smoothies (milk, protein powder, olive oil, peanut butter, eggs, whatever you can think of). I think you had a rebuttal for this in an ATOT topic, but I don't remember what is was (lactose-intolerance?).
 
SociallyChallenged said:
I don't think you really portrayed the topic in a way that outlined your goal. When someone says "I'm heavier than I've ever been before..." there tends to be a connotation of not wanting to be that way. Either way, let me redirect to address your goal of weight gain.

Are you just trying to gain weight in general? Because if you're not being active at all, it's mostly going to be fat gain, rather than muscle gain. You've been fine until this point - perhaps the pill has gotten you past your previous limitations? If not, it is quite easy to drink many calories. Your body doesn't respond the same and you don't get the same hormonal response. An example of things to drink is milk, mixed smoothies (milk, protein powder, olive oil, peanut butter, eggs, whatever you can think of). I think you had a rebuttal for this in an ATOT topic, but I don't remember what is was (lactose-intolerance?).
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I've done exactly what you've mentioned. My body doesn't like it. I don't have lactose-intolerance as far as I know. I've had plenty of milk in my time... Maybe if I am drinking a whole gallon then I have lactose-intolerance? I don't know. But I do know that drinking protein powder+milk is a horrible combination for my stomach in anything beyond 8-12oz. If I drink that then I can't have a bunch of food to go with it either.

Basically, I am different than most people. I don't know if I've met anyone else who has these kinds of symptoms to eating food to gain weight.
 
My dad knew a guy back in college who was "allergic to food", or at least that's how the guy described it to him back in the day. I think he got his nutrition by eating very small portions throughout the day, but it was never pleasant for him. Also, check this out:
http://www.andersoncooper.com/2012/03/22/a-boy-allergic-to-food/

So it could be worse. Anyways, have you tried to eliminate gluten sensitivity? Just wondering, because at least it's relatively simple to determine if you have it. Complicated or less-common problems can be more trouble to diagnose than it's worth if you're biggest problem is gaining weight (and you live a quality life otherwise), but you could try seeing a specialist to try to diagnose it.

Regardless, the types of food and how often you eat it are indeed important whether or not you're trying to gain or lose, and whether or not the problem is caused by specific things or simply an excess quantity of any-and-everything. Can you be more specific about your current diet and your normal (unhelped by the sleeping pill) diet? I.E. "I usually eat every X hours, and my 'meals' are generally this or this or this". Can't be too specific really if you want others to try to help you.
 
TridenT said:
I've done exactly what you've mentioned. My body doesn't like it. I don't have lactose-intolerance as far as I know. I've had plenty of milk in my time... Maybe if I am drinking a whole gallon then I have lactose-intolerance? I don't know. But I do know that drinking protein powder+milk is a horrible combination for my stomach in anything beyond 8-12oz. If I drink that then I can't have a bunch of food to go with it either.

Basically, I am different than most people. I don't know if I've met anyone else who has these kinds of symptoms to eating food to gain weight.
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If mixing protein powder with milk results in nausea, ditch the milk.
I can get away with using milk, and will use it when I want the additional calories and want the casein protein in milk to slow down digestion (when not drinking protein post-workout). But I most frequently use sugar-free almond milk (not so good, imho, on its own, but great for mixing) for my protein shakes, or I simply use water.

Water + protein powder works fairly well. Might not get the creaminess and shake-like flavor, but good mixes work well in water.
My main protein powders at this moment: Gaspari Nutrition Myofusion, Muscle Milk, and Monster Milk. All three work quite well in water.

Make 8oz servings, get back into your muscle-building plans, and drink those a few times every day. Depending on your nutrition already, you should be trying to get, to start with, around 100g of protein, some of it doubling as additional calories compared to your normal daily intake.
You will NOT gain any muscle, and hardly much strength, if you continue to exercise without increasing intake of calories. If you wish to gain muscle optimally, you should be looking to add around 300-500 calories a day, mostly in protein.
One pound of mass is approximately 3500 calories, iirc, so if you aren't doing anything to force your body to utilize those extra calories (be it as a source of energy for cardio, or as nutrients to repair damaged tissues/muscle), DO NOT increase caloric intake. If you aren't doing anything, extra calories, of just about any type, will be stored as fat. You can't magically gain muscle-based weight just by increasing caloric intake, and unless you want to gain fat-based weight (which is ridiculous to the extreme), you should strive to minimize extra intake - and your body is telling you that.

That Myofusion protein powder includes a probiotic, and that might be beneficial to helping your body digest extra calories throughout the day. Your gut flora could be having problems with the higher-than-normal caloric intake, so look into probiotics in general. That, and there are digestion-improving supplements, typically geared toward this type of situation: making it easier to eat more than you need when both exercising and trying to gain muscle mass.


In short:

If your goal is to gain weight, I must assume you wish to gain muscle mass. To do so, you must commit to a regular weight-lifting type regimen (three times a week, at minimum, with a focused plan - otherwise, it's a waste of time), and you must, on a daily basis, increase protein consumption.

Even if you only stress your muscles three times a week, every day you should be consuming more protein (among other things, like more unsaturated fats, some complex carbs, etc).

Scour the pages at menshealth.com and mensfitness.com for some good starting points and strategies.
 
destrekor said:
If mixing protein powder with milk results in nausea, ditch the milk.
I can get away with using milk, and will use it when I want the additional calories and want the casein protein in milk to slow down digestion (when not drinking protein post-workout). But I most frequently use sugar-free almond milk (not so good, imho, on its own, but great for mixing) for my protein shakes, or I simply use water.

Water + protein powder works fairly well. Might not get the creaminess and shake-like flavor, but good mixes work well in water.
My main protein powders at this moment: Gaspari Nutrition Myofusion, Muscle Milk, and Monster Milk. All three work quite well in water.

Make 8oz servings, get back into your muscle-building plans, and drink those a few times every day. Depending on your nutrition already, you should be trying to get, to start with, around 100g of protein, some of it doubling as additional calories compared to your normal daily intake.
You will NOT gain any muscle, and hardly much strength, if you continue to exercise without increasing intake of calories. If you wish to gain muscle optimally, you should be looking to add around 300-500 calories a day, mostly in protein.
One pound of mass is approximately 3500 calories, iirc, so if you aren't doing anything to force your body to utilize those extra calories (be it as a source of energy for cardio, or as nutrients to repair damaged tissues/muscle), DO NOT increase caloric intake. If you aren't doing anything, extra calories, of just about any type, will be stored as fat. You can't magically gain muscle-based weight just by increasing caloric intake, and unless you want to gain fat-based weight (which is ridiculous to the extreme), you should strive to minimize extra intake - and your body is telling you that.

That Myofusion protein powder includes a probiotic, and that might be beneficial to helping your body digest extra calories throughout the day. Your gut flora could be having problems with the higher-than-normal caloric intake, so look into probiotics in general. That, and there are digestion-improving supplements, typically geared toward this type of situation: making it easier to eat more than you need when both exercising and trying to gain muscle mass.


In short:

If your goal is to gain weight, I must assume you wish to gain muscle mass. To do so, you must commit to a regular weight-lifting type regimen (three times a week, at minimum, with a focused plan - otherwise, it's a waste of time), and you must, on a daily basis, increase protein consumption.

Even if you only stress your muscles three times a week, every day you should be consuming more protein (among other things, like more unsaturated fats, some complex carbs, etc).

Scour the pages at menshealth.com and mensfitness.com for some good starting points and strategies.
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Milk + Protein Powder was just an example. I've used water before too, but it has the same effect.
 
TridenT said:
Milk + Protein Powder was just an example. I've used water before too, but it has the same effect.
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You said, "If I drink that then I can't have a bunch of food to go with it either."

That's the idea, at least, for the time being.

You don't eat a protein shake, then proceed to gobble up a few hundred calories of some other type of food. One, if attempting to gain mass, it destroys the intended digestion and metabolism of the protein powder (as it was designed, with some semblance of science behind it, to have different portions get taken up by the body at specific intervals, depending on the actual makeup of the powder).

Take a protein powder, have only that product for the time being, and then maybe 90-120 minutes later, try eating whatever else you want.

For me, it works well, as I eat several times a day. Sometimes 100-200 calories worth of food, sometimes 400-500, or more. A few variable factors come into play, but my metabolism works on an "every few hours, give me food" clock.

Also, did you get an upset stomach after one try, give up? Or, try it again every few weeks and get upset?
You may have to suffer through a little "stomach hardening" as your body adjusts to what you are consuming.
Do this: have one protein shake, every day. If you aren't lifting weights yet, use it as a "snack replacement" (if on an eating pattern like me), if you are lifting weights, then take a one-scoop shake, every day, with it counting as additional calories on top of your other meals.
It may suck at first, but typically, you'll adjust. You could have allergies to other components, so possibly try a few different brands (and/or a few different protein source types - egg-sourced protein powders might be better if you have trouble for some reason. Since you can drink milk, apparently, it shouldn't be a whey or protein-specific issue, but could be individual ingredients. It's always possible, I reckon.

Also, it's entirely possible you are not capable of building much muscle-mass (regardless of work/nutrition) - some people have more of one type of muscle fiber, other people have more of the type (drawing a blank on specifics, don't feel like digging up reference material). In short, some people are more genetically-inclined to build/improve specifically for endurance, others are more inclined to build for strength/sprint (the latter would gain muscle mass far more readily than the former). Just thought I'd throw that out there, so, even if you get accustomed to eating more, and put in quality exercise with a good regimen, you may have a valid reason for having difficulty to put on muscle mass/weight.
 
destrekor said:
You don't eat a protein shake, then proceed to gobble up a few hundred calories of some other type of food. One, if attempting to gain mass, it destroys the intended digestion and metabolism of the protein powder (as it was designed, with some semblance of science behind it, to have different portions get taken up by the body at specific intervals, depending on the actual makeup of the powder).
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broscience
 
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