I'm getting sick and tired of people who can't deal if they aren't in front of a keyboard

kranky

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This is getting worse all the time. I'm ready to send them all home.

We have four new interns at work, all of whom are very bright college juniors in either Engineering or Comp Sci. It's been about 6 weeks, and that's more than long enough to get over any initial nervousness. Not a one of them can carry on a conversation, write a document, or work with any of the others.

Intern A talks in a whisper when she's not mumbling and you can't understand half of what she says. Intern B cannot write a whole paragraph without an incomplete sentence and excels at producing incoherent documentation. Intern C asked me if they could have an IM program to "help productivity" when all of them sit together and I am literally 10 feet away. Intern D is so overly sensitive he just about cries if every aspect of his work isn't praised as Nobel Prize material. I have a feeling that in his entire life, no one ever criticized him for anything.

When we meet to discuss as a group the work plan for the week, it's like a lecture. They sit and stare and don't seem to know how to actually participate in a discussion. I asked them to develop a software utility, outlined the requirements, and asked them to divide up the tasks within their group and two days later one of them asked if he could just do it all himself because it "would be easier for (him) than to have to explain to the others what to do."

Every one of these students has a 3.8 or better average at tough schools.

So I told them we won't be using an IM program, we'll actually talk face to face with each other since we're all sitting together, that each of them will have to participate in the weekly planning meeting, and we'll rotate the team leader position twice a month. I won't be surprised if they start having panic attacks.

This is a problem that is steadily getting worse. Please learn how to communicate with others face to face, write in plain English, and work with other people. Unless you're going to run your own one-person company, you are going to need to do those things to have any success.

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jlee

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Goes to show that a high GPA doesn't mean too much in the working world..

Do you think they'll 'snap out of it' eventually?
 

SacrosanctFiend

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I love working in an environment with one computer that no one knows how to use. Makes for a faster, more enjoyable workday.
 

Darien

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How did they get a position as an intern? No interview process to weed out these suckers?
 

Orsorum

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:) I'm proficient at all three skills you described - and it surprised me so much to have those praised and to be told to play them up during interviews - as though it's something unique. Sadly, from what I've heard from my classmates and from recruiters decent people skills are becoming a scarce commodity, mostly because of the increased reliance on instant messenging and lack of emphasis on independent writing and evaluation.
 

Zenmervolt

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Wow. Just wow. I don't know how I'd function without our low-wall cubicles where I can just shout to whomever I need to talk with.

ZV
 

Sluggo

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I know it wont be long before bars have IM between tables so that people can just hook up that way instead of actually talking.



:) Follow me to my house (I'm driving the red honda, with jedi sticker) I have home network there, we can cyber. I dont allow girls into my room, they might put a finger on my moniter God I hate that :p. C Ya there sweet ums.
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kranky

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Do you think they'll 'snap out of it' eventually?
From my experience in recent years, some will and some won't. There will be some who convince themselves that all this "talking" is something peculiar to our company and don't think they need to change.
How did they get a position as an intern? No interview process to weed out these suckers?
Unfortunately, I wasn't involved in the interviewing process. On one hand, I'd like to think that those skills were evaluated during the interview. On the other, I shudder to think that these four were the ones who exhibited the BEST people skills.
Sadly, from what I've heard from my classmates and from recruiters decent people skills are becoming a scarce commodity, mostly because of the increased reliance on instant messenging and lack of emphasis on independent writing and evaluation.
No lie. I realize that today's college students grew up with PCs and IM (and probably a lack of actual criticism of their writing skills), but I never imagined they would be so utterly lacking in workplace skills.
 

TLfromAI

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Hey they're interns they're supposed to be creepy and stupid. You have to teach them to shape up and quit being weird.
 

Sluggo

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Originally posted by: TLfromAI
Hey they're interns they're supposed to be creepy and stupid. You have to teach them to shape up and quit being weird.

Translation:

Take them out for happy hour and get them liquored up. If they wont talk then, they are hopeless.

 

kranky

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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: TLfromAI
Hey they're interns they're supposed to be creepy and stupid. You have to teach them to shape up and quit being weird.

Translation:

Take them out for happy hour and get them liquored up. If they wont talk then, they are hopeless.

Ooh, no can do. Too much liability there.

 

Injury

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Ream them. Show them who is boss and MAKE THEM CRY LIKE LITTLE BABIES.

They're interns. They are supposed to screw up and you are supposed to tell them how it is. It's the point in life where they get the preparation for the working world that college can't give them.

In other words, point out to them EXACTLY what you want them to do step by step until they start doing it on their own.
 

FoBoT

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this is why old people are going to actually become more valuable than kids as the workforce shrinks (babyboomers retiring)
 

shopbruin

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Originally posted by: kranky
Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: TLfromAI
Hey they're interns they're supposed to be creepy and stupid. You have to teach them to shape up and quit being weird.

Translation:

Take them out for happy hour and get them liquored up. If they wont talk then, they are hopeless.

Ooh, no can do. Too much liability there.

serious? the best way we get to know each other at work is to go out drinking. just that some of us don't drink (i.e. me) but we still have a ton of fun.
 

Dr. Detroit

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Best students out of college these days are ones who have mediocre grades and have been working hard putting themselves through college.


Those of the returning students who re a few years older and served in the military.



 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: Fmr12B
Best students out of college these days are ones who have mediocre grades and have been working hard putting themselves through college.


Those of the returning students who re a few years older and served in the military.

o_O What an ego boost. Nah, seriously, I used to be really anal about grades - until I started working to pay for tuition and room and board, and until I started doing what I enjoy doing - writing, spending time with friends, listening to music, and reading. I tutor and do community service as an official outlet, but everything else is outside of school.

There's a friend of mine, a very intelligent, bright woman who's had a hell of a time with interviews for the Big 4 acctg firms. She's now like I was in high school - high GPA, all the right experience, a person who's jumped through all the right hoops - but when I've asked her what she enjoys doing, what she does for fun, she has a hard time articulating it to me.

The biggest difference I've noticed in myself since I've come to college, besides my GPA (3.4 now, was a 4.0 in high school), is that I'm finally doing the activities that I want to do. I enjoy my extracurriculars and I enjoy my life, I'm not as concerned now about jumping through the hoops.

I dunno. I guess, there is some truth to the adage, if you do what you love you'll never work a day in your life. I'd say the same goes for everything else in your life - if you do what you enjoy and remain active (so that your activities don't solely consist of sitting around and whacking off or playing video games) you'll do fine.

God, when did ATOT become my blog? :confused:

Cheers!
Nate
 

bootymac

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Yeah, universities are looking for "well-rounded" students now, because they realized 70% of their previous students never knew what a kiss felt like