I'm getting about 200-percent better fuel economy...

[TomKazansky]

by buying a hybrid car, you are supporting the research of hybrid cars.
by buying a normal gasoline car, you are support OPEC

simply as that, both cars will pay themselves out at the 10 year point.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BW86

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: brxndxn
I've been getting better fuel economy (about 26mpg) with my 5.7L V8.. Camaro Z-28 lately..

It's amazing what you can save on a manual by keeping lower rpms and accelerating a little slower.

There is no fvcking way you're getting 26mpg with that beast. I've owned two muscle cars and neither of them got over 20mpg and both were manual transmission cars.

My dad's 89 5.0 mustang gets 24mpg...

I had an '86 and a '94. Neither one ever got 20mpg. Maybe going downhill with a tailwind and the engine off...maybe.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: Random Variable
My previous car (a 2004 Grand Prix GTP) averaged between 17 and 18 mpg. Since I got the Prius 8 days ago (9/10) I've driven just under 200 miles and I am currently averaging 55.2 mpg, about 15 miles per gallon better than I expected.

you expected 40? A civic gets 40.... and thats the non hybrid version

 

[cHeeZeFacTory]

Originally posted by: Legend
I don't think you're really saving money.

If you bought, say, a new Honda Civic for $16k, and invested the difference between the two cars into mutual funds, your investment of the difference would be 3x the original amount over the course of 10 years.

I don't think the mpg difference would ever catch up.

After riding in my friend's Prius, I can't say it's the same as a 16k civic lx. The interior of the prius is pretty nice, with all the cool gizmos and push putton start w/ a Navigation.

All the ppl saying "when will this car pay for itself?" What are you comparing it to? It's not like comparing the civic hybrid and non hybrid, there isn't a non-hybrid prius that cost less.

Also with the calculations of savings, you guys are assuming a constant gas price. Gas is $3 here in so cal, next year maybe 4, then up to who knows what. Maybe factor a 30%-50% increase in gas prices yearly.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: brxndxn
I've been getting better fuel economy (about 26mpg) with my 5.7L V8.. Camaro Z-28 lately..

It's amazing what you can save on a manual by keeping lower rpms and accelerating a little slower.

There is no fvcking way you're getting 26mpg with that beast. I've owned two muscle cars and neither of them got over 20mpg and both were manual transmission cars.

With a 6 speed he sure is. The lighter sleeker corvette 6 speed gets 28/29mpg highway. Hell my old 5.0l mustang with 3.73 gears gets 23mpg highway.

I had a '94 GT with 3.73 gears + 5spd manual. Mileage was the same freeway and city at somewhere around 16-17mpg. I owned that car for 4 years and 60k miles. It was in tip top shape and always well tuned.

Admit it, you don't really know how to calculate mpg do you?

 

[Legend]

All the ppl saying "when will this car pay for itself?" What are you comparing it to? It's not like comparing the civic hybrid and non hybrid, there isn't a non-hybrid prius that cost less.

Is the fuel efficiency not the reason for that car? And the reason for fuel efficiency money? Than anything that's more economical.

Maybe factor a 30%-50% increase in gas prices yearly.

That's insane. After 10 years, 50% more each year would increase the price to insane levels.

 

[Legend]

Specifically, 50% increase per year starting at $3.00/gallon would increase gas prices to $173.00/gallon in 10 years.

 

[Cattlegod]

gay car.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
so lets see.

30 grand for new car, saving $20 per full tank of gas, will cost you 1500 fillups.

assuming so guessing you get 700 miles per tank, that means you must surpass 1050000 miles just to make back your initial investment.

but then id guess you did prolly get 16 grand for trade in, so you only lost 14 grand, or you need to do 700 fill ups, or 490000 miles

note, i think my math, guestimates are WAY the hell off. something isnt right.

20 per full tank of gas? 15 gallons? 15 gallons for prius takes you the as far as 45 gallons in the grand prix.... that means you save 30 gallons at $3 a gallon = 90 per fillup

if the difference was 20k car vs 30k car, thats 10k / 90 = 110 fillups, which is about 90k miles or so, which most people do hit eventually

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: Random Variable
The car was $24,000. They gave me $15,000 for the trade-in. There's also that $2000 federal tax deduction. The price of premium unleaded in the Chicago area is about $3.20. Two weeks ago it was around $3.50. There's no good reason why next summer it won't be over $4.00.

Most importantly I got tired of my money being used by governments in the Middle East to fund madrasses around the world that teach the virtue of killing infidels.

24k-15k - 2k*.28 = $8,420.... so you start saving money after like 70k miles.... still not bad


once gas gets to $5 you can laugh at these jerks as they take out a HELOC to pay for their gas

Then again, if you bought a 1994 honda civic that gets 40mpg for $1000, then it would take you a few hundred K miles to get back to even.



I just bought a new hyundai tiburon... $17.000 vs 23420 (if you count your tax saving), so 6420.... but im getting 31 mpg on the highway vs 55... so that 24 mpg extra... 15 gallon tank, 360 miles more each tank.... which is 12 extra gallons for the tiburon



so 12*$3 a gallon = $36 saved per fillup, 6420/36 =178.333 fillups * 15*55 = $150k miles... thats assuming it costs similar to maintain both vehicles.


after $150k miles then I would have started saving.... glad I went with the tibby

 

[montanafan]

Congratulations on the Prius. Nice car, good deal, great mpg. Watch out, here comes Rita, gas prices will be going up again soon.

 

[MrDudeMan]

i love all the retards in this thread bashing the prius and saying he isnt saving money. wtf? he wanted a new car, so he happened to get one that was fuel efficient. he is saving money NOW, not later. he was going to buy a car ANYWAY. gosh i want to reach through the computer and stab some of you ignorant a$$holes in the jugular so you dont contaminate the gene pool with your stupidity.

 

[Legend]

i love all the retards in this thread bashing the prius and saying he isnt saving money. wtf? he wanted a new car, so he happened to get one that was fuel efficient. he is saving money NOW, not later. he was going to buy a car ANYWAY. gosh i want to reach through the computer and stab some of you ignorant a$$holes in the jugular so you dont contaminate the gene pool with your stupidity.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. I could buy a new Honda Civic for $6000 less and save money now. I could invest that money and have $20,000 in 10 years. You're not going to save that much on 15 mpg more efficiency.

You're not saving money now, and not saving money later.

Other than that, you're argument relies on personal attacks. Good job!

 

[atiyeh]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
awesome, i'm sure your car is a complete bore to drive while you're getting that 90 mpg.

That's what I was thinking...sure you are getting 55 mpg but you aren't able to have any fun in that car. You'll kill the poor hamsters if you try to gun it.

 

[atiyeh]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
awesome, i'm sure your car is a complete bore to drive while you're getting that 90 mpg.

You are a sad sad individual if you think driving a "neat" car is worth the costs or is some form of entertainment. If I want a fun ride I'm going to get a classic and drive it on sunday drives (and I'm not even going to do that because cars are a waste of money) not spend a bunch of extra money so I can "look" cool. Transportation is simply a method of getting from one place to another so I can accomplish things like spending my time and money on more important stuff like family and friends and possibly retiring early so that I get to work less years. See to me spending less time working or having more financial independence is much more important that dumping tons of money into some depreciating asset that is simply a means to move from one place to another. An asset you will find as you get older that is easily destroyed, easily stolen, and frankly not that much fun.

So next time you slam on someone for having different priorities than you, consider for a moment that you could be the one that has the screwed up priorities.

Uh oh..I think I spotted an elitist...ready the harpoon gun!

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Legend

i love all the retards in this thread bashing the prius and saying he isnt saving money. wtf? he wanted a new car, so he happened to get one that was fuel efficient. he is saving money NOW, not later. he was going to buy a car ANYWAY. gosh i want to reach through the computer and stab some of you ignorant a$$holes in the jugular so you dont contaminate the gene pool with your stupidity.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. I could buy a new Honda Civic for $6000 less and save money now. I could invest that money and have $20,000 in 10 years. You're not going to save that much on 15 mpg more efficiency.

You're not saving money now, and not saving money later.

Other than that, you're argument relies on personal attacks. Good job!

he wanted a new car. instead of buying a non-hybrid he bought a hybrid. therefore, he was going to spend money anyway, so your investment bullsh!t doesnt work. he wasnt going to invest it in the first place. he was going to buy a car, which he then did and now has said car. therefore, he is using less gas and is saving money NOW. it makes NO DIFFERENCE what he could have done since he wasnt going to do it anyway. sometimes you make purchases and forfeit the "opportunity" cost. if all you ever did was invest money you would have no fun since everything would be a waste due to "opportunity cost".

there, i put some substance in this post as well as calling you a huge POS douchebag, since you are one. i cant believe i had to explain all of that in order for it to make sense. any idiot monkey with half of a working brain should have been able to understand my post. its not even a hard concept.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: atiyeh

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
awesome, i'm sure your car is a complete bore to drive while you're getting that 90 mpg.

You are a sad sad individual if you think driving a "neat" car is worth the costs or is some form of entertainment. If I want a fun ride I'm going to get a classic and drive it on sunday drives (and I'm not even going to do that because cars are a waste of money) not spend a bunch of extra money so I can "look" cool. Transportation is simply a method of getting from one place to another so I can accomplish things like spending my time and money on more important stuff like family and friends and possibly retiring early so that I get to work less years. See to me spending less time working or having more financial independence is much more important that dumping tons of money into some depreciating asset that is simply a means to move from one place to another. An asset you will find as you get older that is easily destroyed, easily stolen, and frankly not that much fun.

So next time you slam on someone for having different priorities than you, consider for a moment that you could be the one that has the screwed up priorities.

Uh oh..I think I spotted an elitist...ready the harpoon gun!

there is a difference between being an elitist and being correct. you should try to understand the difference, dumba$$.

 

[bonkers325]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Great, you own a Prius. Now you have to own it for over 5 years to offset the extra costs and save $500.

isnt that the general investment perspective of owning a car? to keep it for around 4-5 years and then trade it in for a newer model?

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: Random Variable
My previous car (a 2004 Grand Prix GTP) averaged between 17 and 18 mpg. Since I got the Prius 8 days ago (9/10) I've driven just under 200 miles and I am currently averaging 55.2 mpg, about 15 miles per gallon better than I expected.

YOU ARE A GOD !

 

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Let's assume he can afford say, a BMW but he elected to get a Prius instead. Now how much money did he waste? I'd say he's better off, but I'm no BMW fan either.

You guys and your theory of hybrid financial loss are funny. You're a little fanboy crowd now, you realize that, right?

:thumbsup:

People will do anything to justify their gas-guzzlers. Not that I'm against the production/use of trucks, suvs and performance sports cars... but when you live in the burbs and commute to work in your V8 Sportscar/SUV/Hummer... you need to get a fvcking clue. If you can afford a performance vehicle/tank you can probably afford a little subcompact too.

Personally I drive a dinky little Hyundai Accent... and I love it. Good milage, decent space. I don't drive much since I'm at college and I live practically on campus (15-20min walk to my classes), but it's nice not to have to fill-up when the gas prices are like they are. When I graduate I'll probably trade it in for a nice small-ish pickup with an extended cab for the utility. Sure my car can move my clothes/computer... but you can hardly get a small dresser/desk in there.

Bottom line, if I was filthy rich, I'd probably own a hybrid and a gas guzzler of some variety.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: Random Variable
My previous car (a 2004 Grand Prix GTP) averaged between 17 and 18 mpg. Since I got the Prius 8 days ago (9/10) I've driven just under 200 miles and I am currently averaging 55.2 mpg, about 15 miles per gallon better than I expected.

you expected 40? A civic gets 40.... and thats the non hybrid version

meh, unless you are going downhill in a manual tranny ur never gonna see 40mpg in a civic though. they tend to average 30 in normal driving.


as for comparing with a civic... its not the same...prius has interior room of a camry.

 

[flexy]

you live in the burbs and commute to work in your V8 Sportscar/SUV/Hummer... you need to get a fvcking clue.

SUVs are the cars driven by the husbands of the soccer moms with the minivans

SUVs and minivans are TEH uncool

(Funny - i ASSUME that SUV drivers see themselves as "cool"

 

[Legend]

he wanted a new car. instead of buying a non-hybrid he bought a hybrid. therefore, he was going to spend money anyway, so your investment bullsh!t doesnt work.

Again, you're not making any sense.

He could have spent less money on a non-hybrid. He still would have purchased a car.

If I'm going to "spend money anyway" why not 30k? 50k? 100k on a car? When does it stop? That's slippery slope.

he wasnt going to invest it in the first place. he was going to buy a car, which he then did and now has said car.

That's not the point.

The entire point for buying a fuel efficient car like that is to save money. He didn't save money by spending $6k more money on 10-15 mpg.

therefore, he is using less gas and is saving money NOW. it makes NO DIFFERENCE what he could have done since he wasnt going to do it anyway. sometimes you make purchases and forfeit the "opportunity" cost.

What? You're babbling.

If he bought something like a civic, he'd have $6000 in his wallet, NOW. He wouldn't need to go to the pump several years to get that money, he would have it NOW.

Wasn't going to do it anyway? That's begging the question. The entire argument here is that he could have saved money by still buying a car, but a different one. The entire purpose in buying a Prius is to save money. Therefore it makes more sense to buy another car.

Furthermore, more money could be accumulated by investing.

Doesn't matter that he didn't do it or some other logical fallacy you could come up with. It's all about the optimal financial solution, since that's the premise to his purchase.

if all you ever did was invest money you would have no fun since everything would be a waste due to "opportunity cost".

Slippery slope. Where did I say invest everything all the time?

And how the hell is that even relevant? The entire idea here is to save money.

Again he could have gotten a Civic, which has more space and horsepower than a Prius. And for less money. More fun and less spent.

there, i put some substance in this post as well as calling you a huge POS douchebag, since you are one. i cant believe i had to explain all of that in order for it to make sense. any idiot monkey with half of a working brain should have been able to understand my post. its not even a hard concept.

You just can't come up with a concise argument. Keep calling names as if it somehow cleans up your sloppy points.

 

[Legend]

Oh and I'm not trying to say the OP made a bad purchase. It's a good car, just not what I would have done.

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
awesome, i'm sure your car is a complete bore to drive while you're getting that 90 mpg.

You are a sad sad individual if you think driving a "neat" car is worth the costs or is some form of entertainment. If I want a fun ride I'm going to get a classic and drive it on sunday drives (and I'm not even going to do that because cars are a waste of money) not spend a bunch of extra money so I can "look" cool. Transportation is simply a method of getting from one place to another so I can accomplish things like spending my time and money on more important stuff like family and friends and possibly retiring early so that I get to work less years. See to me spending less time working or having more financial independence is much more important that dumping tons of money into some depreciating asset that is simply a means to move from one place to another. An asset you will find as you get older that is easily destroyed, easily stolen, and frankly not that much fun.

So next time you slam on someone for having different priorities than you, consider for a moment that you could be the one that has the screwed up priorities.

Maybe you and your mundane driving preferences should understand that to some people a vehicle is MORE than just transportation; it is something that is exciting, invigorating, and just plain fun. You may think cars are a waste of money, but a lot of people don't and I'd be willing to bet there are plenty of people in this world who think the stuff you like is a waste of money.

So next time you slam on someone for having different priorities than you, consider for a moment that you could be the one that has the screwed up priorities.

:roll:

You people can't allow the thought in both of your minds that you are both right. Some people consider cars a form of art/entertainment and others consider it/them just a method of transportation. There's no reason that one has to invalidate the other.