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z0mb13

Lifer
May 19, 2002
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Originally posted by: BigPoppa
Originally posted by: Hyperion042
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
so lets see.

30 grand for new car, saving $20 per full tank of gas, will cost you 1500 fillups.

assuming so guessing you get 700 miles per tank, that means you must surpass 1050000 miles just to make back your initial investment.

but then id guess you did prolly get 16 grand for trade in, so you only lost 14 grand, or you need to do 700 fill ups, or 490000 miles

note, i think my math, guestimates are WAY the hell off. something isnt right.


Assuming it's averaging 55.5 mpg versus the original's 17.5, assume the price of gas hovers around $2.50, you just linearize it an solve: 2.5*x/55.5 + 30,000 = 2.5*x/17.5 -> x = 306,710.5 miles to pay for itself. Assuming you drop it from 30,000 to 14,000, it solves to x = 143131.6 miles to pay for itself. If the price stays at something more like $3/gallon, you're looking at 255,592.1 miles for $30k or 119,276.3 miles for $14k

So 10 years at average (12k miles/year) driving rate? SWEET!

dont forget the battery replacement cost, which is $$$$$$$ say bye bye to gas savings!!
 

DaWhim

Lifer
Feb 3, 2003
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55.2mpg eh? wait a few months, your car battery will go crap when the temp drop to 32f or lower.
 

tennisflip

Golden Member
Sep 25, 2003
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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: BigPoppa
Originally posted by: Hyperion042
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
so lets see.

30 grand for new car, saving $20 per full tank of gas, will cost you 1500 fillups.

assuming so guessing you get 700 miles per tank, that means you must surpass 1050000 miles just to make back your initial investment.

but then id guess you did prolly get 16 grand for trade in, so you only lost 14 grand, or you need to do 700 fill ups, or 490000 miles

note, i think my math, guestimates are WAY the hell off. something isnt right.


Assuming it's averaging 55.5 mpg versus the original's 17.5, assume the price of gas hovers around $2.50, you just linearize it an solve: 2.5*x/55.5 + 30,000 = 2.5*x/17.5 -> x = 306,710.5 miles to pay for itself. Assuming you drop it from 30,000 to 14,000, it solves to x = 143131.6 miles to pay for itself. If the price stays at something more like $3/gallon, you're looking at 255,592.1 miles for $30k or 119,276.3 miles for $14k

So 10 years at average (12k miles/year) driving rate? SWEET!

dont forget the battery replacement cost, which is $$$$$$$ say bye bye to gas savings!!

The battery should theoretically last the entire life of the car...

"The Prius battery (and the battery-power management system) has been designed to maximize battery life. In part this is done by keeping the battery at an optimum charge level - never fully draining it and never fully recharging it. As a result, the Prius battery leads a pretty easy life. We have lab data showing the equivalent of 180,000 miles with no deterioration and expect it to last the life of the vehicle. We also expect battery technology to continue to improve: the second-generation model battery is 15% smaller, 25% lighter, and has 35% more specific power than the first. This is true of price as well. Between the 2003 and 2004 models, service battery costs came down 36% and we expect them to continue to drop so that by the time replacements may be needed it won't be a much of an issue. Since the car went on sale in 2000, Toyota has not replaced a single battery for wear and tear."

Here's a link to a thread on Prius batteries. One interesting note is that some Prius owners claim their dealers have said that the battery has an 8 year warranty regardless of mileage.
 

Rickten

Golden Member
Apr 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Rickten
I guess you better stop buying any goods that use oil to be produced. Maybe start with food first.

So any reduction isn't worth it if you can't eliminate it all? Or are you just being childish because he hit a nerve with you? It's comendable that he's expressing political views with his wallet in an effective way even if he doesn't or can't eliminate all his use. But you can continue to be childish and insist that if he wants to do something about oil use he has to step into the dark ages rather than taking a step that if everyone else did as well would drop our oil imports to the point that we wouldn't have to buy oil from the ME. It's a simple fact that if average fuel economy in this country was IIRC 30mpg we could eliminate all ME oil imports.


lol, calm down buddy. Do you have a link saying that if everyone drove 30mpg vechiles we would no longer need the middle east for oil. I was under the impression that the major problem was the industrial zone eating up oil like no tomorrow, which is why I made the comment.
 

HomerSapien

Golden Member
Jul 19, 2000
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Congrats on the car...Im looking at getting one in a few years...

Ignore the tards on the forums because you are actually doing something to make a change for the better....

Oh, check out if your state or city will let you drive in the hov lane by yourself now. Some are letting hybrids in those lanes to increase sales.

 

StrangerGuy

Diamond Member
May 9, 2004
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Originally posted by: tennisflip
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: BigPoppa
Originally posted by: Hyperion042
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
so lets see.

30 grand for new car, saving $20 per full tank of gas, will cost you 1500 fillups.

assuming so guessing you get 700 miles per tank, that means you must surpass 1050000 miles just to make back your initial investment.

but then id guess you did prolly get 16 grand for trade in, so you only lost 14 grand, or you need to do 700 fill ups, or 490000 miles

note, i think my math, guestimates are WAY the hell off. something isnt right.


Assuming it's averaging 55.5 mpg versus the original's 17.5, assume the price of gas hovers around $2.50, you just linearize it an solve: 2.5*x/55.5 + 30,000 = 2.5*x/17.5 -> x = 306,710.5 miles to pay for itself. Assuming you drop it from 30,000 to 14,000, it solves to x = 143131.6 miles to pay for itself. If the price stays at something more like $3/gallon, you're looking at 255,592.1 miles for $30k or 119,276.3 miles for $14k

So 10 years at average (12k miles/year) driving rate? SWEET!

dont forget the battery replacement cost, which is $$$$$$$ say bye bye to gas savings!!

The battery should theoretically last the entire life of the car...

"The Prius battery (and the battery-power management system) has been designed to maximize battery life. In part this is done by keeping the battery at an optimum charge level - never fully draining it and never fully recharging it. As a result, the Prius battery leads a pretty easy life. We have lab data showing the equivalent of 180,000 miles with no deterioration and expect it to last the life of the vehicle. We also expect battery technology to continue to improve: the second-generation model battery is 15% smaller, 25% lighter, and has 35% more specific power than the first. This is true of price as well. Between the 2003 and 2004 models, service battery costs came down 36% and we expect them to continue to drop so that by the time replacements may be needed it won't be a much of an issue. Since the car went on sale in 2000, Toyota has not replaced a single battery for wear and tear."

Here's a link to a thread on Prius batteries.

Can I say "Pwned"?
 

tennisflip

Golden Member
Sep 25, 2003
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Originally posted by: HomerSapien
Congrats on the car...Im looking at getting one in a few years...

Ignore the tards on the forums because you are actually doing something to make a change for the better....

Oh, check out if your state or city will let you drive in the hov lane by yourself now. Some are letting hybrids in those lanes to increase sales.

Ditto. We're looking into getting a 06 Prius or 06 Civic Hybrid. The 06 tax credit will shave nearly 3K off the cost of the vehicle.
 

toant103

Lifer
Jul 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: tennisflip
Originally posted by: HomerSapien
Congrats on the car...Im looking at getting one in a few years...

Ignore the tards on the forums because you are actually doing something to make a change for the better....

Oh, check out if your state or city will let you drive in the hov lane by yourself now. Some are letting hybrids in those lanes to increase sales.

Ditto. We're looking into getting a 06 Prius or 06 Civic Hybrid. The 06 tax credit will shave nearly 3K off the cost of the vehicle.


PLus, you can take a Hybrid and drive it in the HOV lane. A lot of people in northern VA has hybride for this reason. The main HOV highway is HOV3
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
sweet sweet car
and at the gas station u now get the envious/bitter looks lol:)

I don't think I've ever seen a Prius at a gas station. ;)
 

AdamSnow

Diamond Member
Nov 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
awesome, i'm sure your car is a complete bore to drive while you're getting that 90 mpg.

I agree... :)

Foot planted to floor + 15lbs of Turbo boost and I'll be much happier then I ever would be in one of those...

And if you are making so little money that you have to buy a hybrid to be able to afford your friends and family you need to take on a second job... :)

I dont drive my car to "look" cool... I drive it because it's something I'm interested in... Fun, Performance, etc... All worth the money to me...
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: brxndxn
I've been getting better fuel economy (about 26mpg) with my 5.7L V8.. Camaro Z-28 lately..

It's amazing what you can save on a manual by keeping lower rpms and accelerating a little slower.

There is no fvcking way you're getting 26mpg with that beast. I've owned two muscle cars and neither of them got over 20mpg and both were manual transmission cars.
 

rahvin

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Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: Rickten
lol, calm down buddy. Do you have a link saying that if everyone drove 30mpg vechiles we would no longer need the middle east for oil. I was under the impression that the major problem was the industrial zone eating up oil like no tomorrow, which is why I made the comment.

http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/cleancars/cafe/briefing_book.pdf

Consult the source with caution, Sierra club is the first link I could find but they frequently massage numbers to reach their own conclusions. If you do a little quick research on number of miles driven in the US, take the current average CAFE of 22.1mpg and adjust it to 30mpg you will see how many million bpd would be saved and it's damn near equal to the ME imports. Wouldnt' eliminate imports entirely though as we would still need oil from mexico, canada and likely venezuala.
 

BW86

Lifer
Jul 20, 2004
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: brxndxn
I've been getting better fuel economy (about 26mpg) with my 5.7L V8.. Camaro Z-28 lately..

It's amazing what you can save on a manual by keeping lower rpms and accelerating a little slower.

There is no fvcking way you're getting 26mpg with that beast. I've owned two muscle cars and neither of them got over 20mpg and both were manual transmission cars.

My dad's 89 5.0 mustang gets 24mpg...:confused:
 

thedarkwolf

Diamond Member
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: brxndxn
I've been getting better fuel economy (about 26mpg) with my 5.7L V8.. Camaro Z-28 lately..

It's amazing what you can save on a manual by keeping lower rpms and accelerating a little slower.

There is no fvcking way you're getting 26mpg with that beast. I've owned two muscle cars and neither of them got over 20mpg and both were manual transmission cars.

With a 6 speed he sure is. The lighter sleeker corvette 6 speed gets 28/29mpg highway. Hell my old 5.0l mustang with 3.73 gears gets 23mpg highway.
 

Minjin

Platinum Member
Jan 18, 2003
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8 Days...200 miles, that means OP drives ~8900 miles a year.

GTP @ 18mpg yearly gas costs: $988.89 ($2.00), $1236.11 ($2.50), $1483.33 ($3.00), $1730.56 ($3.50)
Prius @55mpg yearly gas costs: $323.64 ($2.00), $404.55 ($2.50), $485.45 ($3.00), $566.36 ($3.50)

Total yearly costs consist of five factors: gas, maintenance, depreciation, insurance, and opportunity costs

Gas costs are above. Maintenance, insurance, and depreciation costs are an unknown. Yes, I know that the Prius is exibiting a very healthy resale value right now but I think thats a temporary trend. Maintenance costs are probably in the Prius's favor but both will be negligible while still in warranty. Insurance is an unknown (since the OP hasn't told us). As for opportunity costs, you have to consider what the extra dough ($9000) could be making (investment wise) or doing. A fraction (~$1000) could have been spent on a moped that would get over double the Prius gas mileage.

Gas prices will fall quite a bit yet after this speculation bubble bursts.

Mark
 

Eeezee

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Jul 23, 2005
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Most people who $hit all over someone buying a fuel-efficient car usually don't know what they're talking about. Need proof of that? Take a look at most of the people on the first two pages of the thread. "Har har har your battery is going to die and you will lose so much money for a new one!" That's just an example

Also, to those who think that gas prices are going to drop, we've been told that before. Most western nations pay considerably more for gas than our very modest rates. Why do you think so many European cars are significantly more fuel efficient on the average? Moms over there aren't buying SUVs.

Does anyone remember the gas shortage in the 70s when everyone stopped buying 12-cylinder gas-hogs? That was a good idea, right? Gas prices shot up, so people started buying more fuel-efficient cars. Has the average level of intelligence really fallen so much that people STILL insist on buying SUVs for their suburban wives and muscle cars?
 

TNM93

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Aug 13, 2005
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Originally posted by: Eeezee

Also, to those who think that gas prices are going to drop, we've been told that before.

Gas prices have gone down 16 cents in the last 2 weeks where I live. Was 2.99 two weeks ago and now it's 2.83.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: Minjin
8 Days...200 miles, that means OP drives ~8900 miles a year.

GTP @ 18mpg yearly gas costs: $988.89 ($2.00), $1236.11 ($2.50), $1483.33 ($3.00), $1730.56 ($3.50)
Prius @55mpg yearly gas costs: $323.64 ($2.00), $404.55 ($2.50), $485.45 ($3.00), $566.36 ($3.50)

Total yearly costs consist of five factors: gas, maintenance, depreciation, insurance, and opportunity costs

Gas costs are above. Maintenance, insurance, and depreciation costs are an unknown. Yes, I know that the Prius is exibiting a very healthy resale value right now but I think thats a temporary trend. Maintenance costs are probably in the Prius's favor but both will be negligible while still in warranty. Insurance is an unknown (since the OP hasn't told us). As for opportunity costs, you have to consider what the extra dough ($9000) could be making (investment wise) or doing. A fraction (~$1000) could have been spent on a moped that would get over double the Prius gas mileage.

Gas prices will fall quite a bit yet after this speculation bubble bursts.

Mark


how so? at the rate china and india are growing supply is gonna get even more scarce.

and u gotta remember people are going to buy another car anyways someday. its not as if its the choice between buying a prius and buying nothing. and the other choice wouldn't pay for itself either...

 

MikeMike

Lifer
Feb 6, 2000
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: brxndxn
I've been getting better fuel economy (about 26mpg) with my 5.7L V8.. Camaro Z-28 lately..

It's amazing what you can save on a manual by keeping lower rpms and accelerating a little slower.

There is no fvcking way you're getting 26mpg with that beast. I've owned two muscle cars and neither of them got over 20mpg and both were manual transmission cars.

bwahahaha.

6 spd 'maro is rated at 26mpg.

 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: ysperalda
Originally posted by: Eeezee

Also, to those who think that gas prices are going to drop, we've been told that before.

Gas prices have gone down 16 cents in the last 2 weeks where I live. Was 2.99 two weeks ago and now it's 2.83.

you remember gas prices just from a few years ago? overall it goes up and up and up
 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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There is a group of folks that mod their Prius's on Yahoo.

I want to see some threads about modding your Prius.

Hell, I'll send you $100 if you window your hood;)
 

Analog

Lifer
Jan 7, 2002
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What about the greater cost of repairs and breakdowns for an untested technology? Cost of battery replacement?
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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Great, you own a Prius. Now you have to own it for over 5 years to offset the extra costs and save $500.