I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I'm starting to like Star Trek

[hdeck]

oh, I'm sorry.

 

[Wuffsunie]

Originally posted by: LocutusX
I guess this is the only thing socialist governments are good for; funding sci-fi shows!

And BTW I think the ratings for B5 (S02+) exceeded any of DS9/VOY/ENT ...

Well, I just spent the last little while digging around the net trying to pull up the Neilsen ratings for B5, and came up with nothing. If you can actually find the damned things, I would love to see them as it'd definetly settle arguments quicker. However, I did find a few of note:
Trek
Crusade
X-Files

Anyway, carry on.

-- Jack

 

[olds]

I remember watching it in the sixties. My younger brothers used to hate it but they had to watch it because I was bigger. I still like it and TNG.

 

[LocutusX]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I remember watching it in the sixties. My younger brothers used to hate it but they had to watch it because I was bigger. I still like it and TNG.

Most of us B5 fans like TOS and TNG as well... it's just the crapulent post-TNG shows that we hate, along with mostly everyone else.

 

[LocutusX]

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Well, I just spent the last little while digging around the net trying to pull up the Neilsen ratings for B5, and came up with nothing. If you can actually find the damned things, I would love to see them as it'd definetly settle arguments quicker. However, I did find a few of note:
Trek
Crusade
X-Files

Anyway, carry on.

-- Jack

I think someone posted them to the old usenet group for B5. Try checking that one. Maybe jms himself or one of the other producers.

 

[Mallow]

I have the number of a support group for you

 

[vegetation]

Yeah, I do agree that Enterprise is going down. Frankly, I blame the writing. The setting is quite neat, and the potential for doing stuff that'd tie in with the original series was high, as was exploring the origins of the federation. Alas, they couldn't seem to break the mold set by TNG and its kind, so we saw a LOT of the same stuff over and over.

Is this really fair after only two seasons? You can't pay me to watch season one or two episodes of TNG, they were a lot more awful than Enterprise.

 

[magomago]

I like the really old ones with "captian kirk"


I get a kick every time they use a phone that is small and fits into the hands is completely WIRED!

To think of such advacned technology that they have in the future


Anything beyond those suck tho...

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

I grew up on TNG and later on DS9. Star Trek rocks. I didn't see voyager much, but what I did see, I didn't like that much. I'd watch Enterprise but no time...

Wesley Crusher is a dork.

I think TNG reflects what socialism would *ideally* achieve. Unfortunately, nature, and thus humans, are far too flawed to pull off such perfection.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

I grew up on TNG and later on DS9. Star Trek rocks. I didn't see voyager much, but what I did see, I didn't like that much. I'd watch Enterprise but no time...

Wesley Crusher is a dork.

I think TNG reflects what socialism would *ideally* achieve. Unfortunately, nature, and thus humans, are far too flawed to pull off such perfection.

 

[Chaotic42]

Alright, BBWF. Calm down.

 

[ethebubbeth]

I love Next Generation, and i liked DS9 once it followed a serialized plot, but i didn't like the other series quite so much. I'm more of a bab5 fanatic myself.

 

[LocutusX]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

I think TNG reflects what socialism would *ideally* achieve. Unfortunately, nature, and thus humans, are far too flawed to pull off such perfection.

I disagree... about the ideal socialism part. One of the themes that VERY FEW adventurous Trek episodes covered (usually the DS9 ones; that was the last one really "in" Federation society) emphasized the fact that a lot of the ordinary citizens didn't have the freedom to do what they want, there wasn't true freedom of speech, and more importantly, that in Starfleet privacy didn't exist; even if you weren't a Starfleet member and just a Federation citizen.

Definitely in DS9, even before the war started, they established lots of little clues to prove that Starfleet was in fact an overarching military organization that - in the wrong hands - could easily be a totalitarian regime. And in one episode, I think called "Home Front" or something, showed how easy it was for Starfleet to take over, etc.

So definitely I think I'll pass on a Star Trek future, thanks. Also I could do without the constant demonization of capitalism in DS9. A big story hole was how they never explained how the Federation economy worked. They also never quite explained the motivation for "starfleet engineering" to come up with new and improved ship designs and technology. There is no evidence to support the assertion that in the absense of commercial competition, people will have the motivation to be as creative and ingenious as the designers and engineers in starfleet. And these guys weren't being paid either!

Basically, the Federation universe is/was Roddenberry's wet dream of a utopian communist society. Since he was anti-capitalist and pro-hot-Chicks, it reflected those themes as well.

Humans being too flawed to become Roddenberry's society? Nah. We're not flawed enough to fall for it.

 

[J Heartless Slick]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
For some reason.

I never could stomach it really before, but I'm been watching it lately (The Next Generation) and I'm starting to like it. I could do without the Wesley Crusher character. He's too saccharine.

Anyway, it seems like the positive socialist future of the world, if you can use positive and socialist in the same sentence.

Should I seek therapy?

I would not worry about it too much until you start feeling the need to learn Klingon or dress up as Spock's dad before you go to bed

 

[vegetation]

So definitely I think I'll pass on a Star Trek future, thanks. Also I could do without the constant demonization of capitalism in DS9. A big story hole was how they never explained how the Federation economy worked. They also never quite explained the motivation for "starfleet engineering" to come up with new and improved ship designs and technology. There is no evidence to support the assertion that in the absense of commercial competition, people will have the motivation to be as creative and ingenious as the designers and engineers in starfleet. And these guys weren't being paid either!

Yea, the whole idea of the Federation economy was pretty wacked under Roddenberry's vision. I mean, I can understand why a select few would go into starfleet to venture the stars with no pay, but what would the billions of other Earthlings, who are not smart enough to pass the entrance exams, do?. Hell, even Picard and Wesley Crusher failed their exam the first time in. Just what do "ordinary" people with an IQ of 100 do in the 24th century? We'll never know I suppose, as hell would break loose if they tried to squash Roddenberry on this..

 

[psianime]

I stopped watching it for a while because they started to show rerun after rerun on TNN. I think I'll go download some eps on newsgroups :beer:

 

[LocutusX]

Originally posted by: vegetation

So definitely I think I'll pass on a Star Trek future, thanks. Also I could do without the constant demonization of capitalism in DS9. A big story hole was how they never explained how the Federation economy worked. They also never quite explained the motivation for "starfleet engineering" to come up with new and improved ship designs and technology. There is no evidence to support the assertion that in the absense of commercial competition, people will have the motivation to be as creative and ingenious as the designers and engineers in starfleet. And these guys weren't being paid either!

Yea, the whole idea of the Federation economy was pretty wacked under Roddenberry's vision. I mean, I can understand why a select few would go into starfleet to venture the stars with no pay, but what would the billions of other Earthlings, who are not smart enough to pass the entrance exams, do?. Hell, even Picard and Wesley Crusher failed their exam the first time in. Just what do "ordinary" people with an IQ of 100 do in the 24th century? We'll never know I suppose, as hell would break loose if they tried to squash Roddenberry on this..

One thing's for certain there's no way in hell we'll have a future like that... my guess is that competition between Earth nations will exist right up till the point there's no choice but to form a "united" space front... or we encounter hostile aliens with higher technology - that'd probably unite the whole world REAL FAST.

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: vegetation

So definitely I think I'll pass on a Star Trek future, thanks. Also I could do without the constant demonization of capitalism in DS9. A big story hole was how they never explained how the Federation economy worked. They also never quite explained the motivation for "starfleet engineering" to come up with new and improved ship designs and technology. There is no evidence to support the assertion that in the absense of commercial competition, people will have the motivation to be as creative and ingenious as the designers and engineers in starfleet. And these guys weren't being paid either!

Yea, the whole idea of the Federation economy was pretty wacked under Roddenberry's vision. I mean, I can understand why a select few would go into starfleet to venture the stars with no pay, but what would the billions of other Earthlings, who are not smart enough to pass the entrance exams, do?. Hell, even Picard and Wesley Crusher failed their exam the first time in. Just what do "ordinary" people with an IQ of 100 do in the 24th century? We'll never know I suppose, as hell would break loose if they tried to squash Roddenberry on this..

i think ordinary citizens just sit at home and do whatever they want to. at least that's what i get out of the episodes. food/clothing/other stuff isn't a problem because of the replicators...

economically there really isn't much to trade around because of the replicators.

all progress would rely on whether or not there are enough people driven by a higher sense of purpose. i mean think about, if you don't have to worry about working for a living, wouldn't you want to better yourself and your civilization? i mean sure there some people who say no but i'm also sure there are people who will say yes eg the kind of people who want to be scientists or volunteer to be in the military..