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JSt0rm said:
thats capitalism.
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I understand its nice to provide some very concrete lessons on the outcomes of unrestricted capitalism, but lets make those that are responsible pay the price for those lessons, not the innocent bystanders.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Yes & no, it would drive up rent prices and landlords would just cherry pick high credit score low debt renters.
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Basic Income allows a "nest egg" to build up each month from the day of birth. By the time a person is 18, they can single handedly pay cash for a home. Double it with a partner involved and they are set for starting a good life. Rent and Mortgage free. Add on top of that a federal housing program... where in exchange for a portion of the Basic Income, that guaranteed revenue is used to guarantee a "loan" on the home. Rent becomes universally eliminated for the poorer half of the nation. Ownership, guaranteed, becomes a universal standard.
 
Jaskalas said:
Basic Income allows a "nest egg" to build up each month from the day of birth. By the time a person is 18, they can single handedly pay cash for a home. Double it with a partner involved and they are set for starting a good life. Rent and Mortgage free. Add on top of that a federal housing program... where in exchange for a portion of the Basic Income, that guaranteed revenue is used to guarantee a "loan" on the home. Rent becomes universally eliminated for the poorer half of the nation. Ownership, guaranteed, becomes a universal standard.
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Back of the napkin math looks like seventy trillion dollars minimum per generation. That's a lot of trillions.
Honestly, I like the concept, but that's a ginormous heaping double shit pile of cash. Again, if my back of the napkin math is right, that's a stack of dollar bills 4.7 million miles tall (that can't be right, I used seventy trillion times .0043").
 
Jaskalas said:
Basic Income allows a "nest egg" to build up each month from the day of birth. By the time a person is 18, they can single handedly pay cash for a home. Double it with a partner involved and they are set for starting a good life. Rent and Mortgage free. Add on top of that a federal housing program... where in exchange for a portion of the Basic Income, that guaranteed revenue is used to guarantee a "loan" on the home. Rent becomes universally eliminated for the poorer half of the nation. Ownership, guaranteed, becomes a universal standard.
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Value of housing will increase if everyone has lets say $70K to put toward first home. All first homes will cost $70K more. All second homes will cost $70K more because all first homes sell for $70K more....and so on....
 
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mect said:
I understand its nice to provide some very concrete lessons on the outcomes of unrestricted capitalism, but lets make those that are responsible pay the price for those lessons, not the innocent bystanders.
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They voted for starvation.
 
mect said:
I was under the impression children couldn't vote.
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The parents voted to have the children starve. So we let them starve. They will be malnourished and dumb and vote more against their interests and it will become a infinite loop of deevolution.
 
JSt0rm said:
The parents voted to have the children starve. So we let them starve. They will be malnourished and dumb and vote more against their interests and it will become a infinite loop of deevolution.
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And you're a sick bastard if you really believe that.
 
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Paladin3 said:
This is the perfect opportunity for the Democrats to attempt to educate: Trump brought you hunger, higher taxes and seems willing to start a war your sons will have to fight. Maybe you should vote for the party that wants to help your family survive.
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Democrats have been trying some version of that for at least the last 30 years. It does not work.

But gloating, regardless of how justified Dems may feel in doing so, won't help those republican voters who are suffering see the light. I hope Dems want votes and the White House more than they want to say "I told you so." It would be a fucking shame to see Trumps base solidified more than it already is.
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We want to help them, but they refuse to be helped. We are not gloating, we are disappointed. We are disappointed in ourselves for not being able to find a way to communicate with them in a way they can hear. We are disappointed in them for refusing to meet us halfway.

What more can we do? Everything is seems 'solidify' Trumps base. Cults are like that I guess, when your reasoning is faith based counter evidence becomes just a reason to believe even harder. At some point we just have to accept that Trumps base is unassailable and write them off. There is no way to reach them, we are wasting our resources trying.
 
dank69 said:
How do you suggest we fix it? Should we take away their freedom to vote stupidly?
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No, we don't take away their right to vote. We provide for the basic needs of their children, including strong education that is funded at either the state or national level so that kids growing up in these districts have similar resources for education as kids growing up in wealthy school districts. We provide access for opportunity in these areas (and all areas in our country), either through a government job guarantee or universal basic income (or possibly some combination of the two). We invest in the infrastructure of our country so that kids aren't getting lead poisoning whenever they drink from their cities water supply. We provide universal healthcare for these people. Basically, we continue to strive for the betterment of society, even if it includes the stupid people. All of these are popular ideas. We just need to get people out to vote and get the money out of politics so that we don't have people buying off our politicians and injecting huge amounts of money into political debates in order to sway public opinion away from peoples own best interests.
 
mect said:
No, we don't take away their right to vote. We provide for the basic needs of their children, including strong education that is funded at either the state or national level so that kids growing up in these districts have similar resources for education as kids growing up in wealthy school districts. We provide access for opportunity in these areas (and all areas in our country), either through a government job guarantee or universal basic income (or possibly some combination of the two). We invest in the infrastructure of our country so that kids aren't getting lead poisoning whenever they drink from their cities water supply. We provide universal healthcare for these people. Basically, we continue to strive for the betterment of society, even if it includes the stupid people. All of these are popular ideas. We just need to get people out to vote and get the money out of politics so that we don't have people buying off our politicians and injecting huge amounts of money into political debates in order to sway public opinion away from peoples own best interests.
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Those are all great ideas, but all have been or will be blocked by Repubs, and people in these areas keep voting for them.

The question is, why do these people keep voting for the party that will not give them any of what you listed? And how can the Dems convince these people to vote for them?
 
mect said:
No, we don't take away their right to vote. We provide for the basic needs of their children, including strong education that is funded at either the state or national level so that kids growing up in these districts have similar resources for education as kids growing up in wealthy school districts. We provide access for opportunity in these areas (and all areas in our country), either through a government job guarantee or universal basic income (or possibly some combination of the two). We invest in the infrastructure of our country so that kids aren't getting lead poisoning whenever they drink from their cities water supply. We provide universal healthcare for these people. Basically, we continue to strive for the betterment of society, even if it includes the stupid people. All of these are popular ideas. We just need to get people out to vote and get the money out of politics so that we don't have people buying off our politicians and injecting huge amounts of money into political debates in order to sway public opinion away from peoples own best interests.
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Socialist scum ideas right there
 
mect said:
No, we don't take away their right to vote. We provide for the basic needs of their children, including strong education that is funded at either the state or national level so that kids growing up in these districts have similar resources for education as kids growing up in wealthy school districts. We provide access for opportunity in these areas (and all areas in our country), either through a government job guarantee or universal basic income (or possibly some combination of the two). We invest in the infrastructure of our country so that kids aren't getting lead poisoning whenever they drink from their cities water supply. We provide universal healthcare for these people. Basically, we continue to strive for the betterment of society, even if it includes the stupid people. All of these are popular ideas. We just need to get people out to vote and get the money out of politics so that we don't have people buying off our politicians and injecting huge amounts of money into political debates in order to sway public opinion away from peoples own best interests.
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So you want to indoctrinate their poor kids with liberal elitist educations and pay for other people's food stamps with taxes on my food stamps? You should probably just move to Venezuela now since you like socialism so much. The rest of those poor people can just win the lottery like I plan to do next week.
 
K1052 said:
Most will die first before reassessing their choices. I've spent the last year reading stores about farmers who Trump has ruined, some of whom are actively debating literal suicide, but in the next breath defend him. The tribal nature of his appeal is too great.
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Yep! They say shit like "We're hurtin' bad, but I'll probably vote for Trump again."

I say "When your kid finds you hangin' in the barn , hope he just walks away and leaves you there.

Homerboy said:
Stocks are up!
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Great! Cleetus! Fire up the tractor!

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thilanliyan said:
Those are all great ideas, but all have been or will be blocked by Repubs, and people in these areas keep voting for them.

The question is, why do these people keep voting for the party that will not give them any of what you listed? And how can the Dems convince these people to vote for them?
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the moment chuds realize black kids will get the same thing is the moment they vote for their own kids to starve.
 
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