I'm calling it. 58*

[techs]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081118/ap_on_el_se/stevens

ANCHORAGE, Alaska ? Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens dropped further behind Democrat Mark Begich in his re-election bid Tuesday as the convicted felon's 85th birthday became a grueling wait that could determine whether his decades-long hold on power is over.

The longest-serving Republican in the history of the Senate trailed the Anchorage mayor by 2,374 votes out of 290,198 counted as election officials continued tallying absentee and other ballots. Begich had led by about 1,000 votes before Tuesday's count.

Stevens was trailing Begich, with the remaining uncounted votes coming mostly from Anchorage and the surrounding area, where Begich is leading, and from the state's southeastern panhandle, where he was doing even better. Overseas ballots had to be sent in to election officials by Wednesday.

UPDATE: Associate Press calls it for Begich:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/stevens
ANCHORAGE, Alaska ? Sen. Ted Stevens, the longest serving Republican in Senate history, narrowly lost his re-election bid Tuesday, marking the downfall of a Washington political power and Alaska icon who couldn't survive a conviction on federal corruption charges. His defeat to Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich moves Senate Democrats closer to a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority



So now its 58*. In fact, it's beginning to look like Lieberman will no longer be a *.
So its down to Minnesota and Georgia.
Even if Franken pulls out Minnesota, I think Georgia is in the bag for the Republicans.
59. So close, yet so far away.

 

[Lemon law]

Gotta agree with Tech's, I posted the same link on another thread.

What tech's posts are the facts but not the implications. (1) With almost nothing left to recount, that is likely to be what Alaska certifies tomorrow. (2) Since that is over a .5% margin, no freebie recount, and the GOP would have to foot the bill. (3) Will Stevens concede gracefully or be delusional? Hard way or easy way, I doubt the final outcome will change. But if Stevens lets his mouth over ride rationality, he may increase the probability the judge will tell him to bring his toothbrush to his 2/2009 sentencing hearing. And then Stevens may find the world looks different from behind bars.

As it is DeMint and Chambliss have shown Steven's some mercy on his birthday, but if Stevens shows the GOP in a delusional light, it could impact the Georgia run off election on 12/2/2008.

 

[dmcowen674]

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

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The other point may become, if the GOP backs Stevens now, they PROVE they do not deserve any control.

We must go all the way back to watergate to see the similar, when those final watergate tapes were released in 8/1974 and Nixon was proved to be a lying sack of shit with a election looming, it was the GOP that fell all over itself to grease the skids for Nixon.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's not over 'til it's over, particularly in Georgia, so I sent Martin $100. It's the first time I've ever contributed to an out of state non-presidential candidate. I'd encourage like minded people to do what they can, here-

http://www.martinforsenate.com/

I hope he wins, because Chambliss is the kind of politician that gives even republicans a bad name...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-refuses_n_144149.html

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The Presidency, control of the house, and 58 senate votes and you STILL are going to make excuses for the lies of Barack and the democratic party? Wow.. Barack is the Messiah, if he can't fix everything with THOSE odds, he is dumber than George W Bush.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

So I guess then you agree the republicans never had full control while Bush was in office?

edit: here, already answered my question


11/12/2006 10:37 PM

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Bahahahahahaha

never heard you complaining of radical right extremism when your heroes had full control.



The hypocracy is so thick since the election I can smell it.

You were mentioning hypocracy?

McOwned again! :laugh:

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

So I guess then you agree the republicans never had full control while Bush was in office?

edit: here, already answered my question


11/12/2006 10:37 PM

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Bahahahahahaha

never heard you complaining of radical right extremism when your heroes had full control.



The hypocracy is so thick since the election I can smell it.

You were mentioning hypocracy?

McOwned again! :laugh:

Its that new math.. You know, $2 a gallon = $10..

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The Presidency, control of the house, and 58 senate votes and you STILL are going to make excuses for the lies of Barack and the democratic party? Wow.. Barack is the Messiah, if he can't fix everything with THOSE odds, he is dumber than George W Bush.

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Fear no evil has his fear misplaced. It does not matter a damn bit if bad public policy has 51% support or 99% support, it will still fail because its bad public policy. On the other hand, good public policy will also succeed for the same reasons.

But if Fear No Evil is still in denial of why Obama won, he must have a fundamental misunderstanding of good and evil. The GOP blew it, the GOP blew it, the GOP blew it, is why Obama got elected.

Get a clue, results matter.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
The Presidency, control of the house, and 58 senate votes and you STILL are going to make excuses for the lies of Barack and the democratic party? Wow.. Barack is the Messiah, if he can't fix everything with THOSE odds, he is dumber than George W Bush.

True true, it will be interesting to watch the Obama admin fail at trying to reconcile this mess.

 

[Jhhnn]

Gotta love the nay-saying and projecting from the wingnuts. It's over 2 months to the inauguration, and they're already accusing the new admin of failure...

For not fixing what it took 8 years of their leadership to screw up completely, even before the new team is actually in office...

Dems won't present the kind of united front we've seen from repubs recently, anyway. That's because they weren't punched out with a political cookie-cutter weilded by rightwing thinktanks and power brokers... Stand here. Say this about these issues. Use this phraseology. Refer to these authorities. Take the stage with whoever we say. Get your money from these people. Do what you're told and you'll be ridin' the gravy train...

Even the cantankerous and unreliable McCain had to give in to the Dark Side when he went for the big enchilada...

 

[Pepsei]

i don't think al can pull it out, but georgia is a runoff vote, so maybe obama can go there and help a brother out.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

Are you mentally retarded? All we have heard is how Republicans controlled the entire govt under Bush with less. Fuck, the republicans apparently have even controlled the govt when democrats control the both chambers since 06 according to the local apologists.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
The Presidency, control of the house, and 58 senate votes and you STILL are going to make excuses for the lies of Barack and the democratic party? Wow.. Barack is the Messiah, if he can't fix everything with THOSE odds, he is dumber than George W Bush.

True true, it will be interesting to watch the Obama admin fail at trying to reconcile this mess.

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bozack also misses the Hoover lesson, in the grand scheme of things, Hoover should have been a great President. Supremely more qualified and competent than an long line of republican President's that preceded him. But he was karmic ally destined to be the poor smuck on duty when a decade of poor public policy came to a crashing and inevitable halt. And like a loser in a game of musical chairs, he was odd man out.

But somehow the musical chairs analogy does not fit Hoover, POTUS comes with its own default seat, the problem was, there was nothing in the Hoover bag of tricks to address the problem. At least Hoover got nine months and 9 days before the bottom dropped out, Obama will inherit a basket case disaster from day one.

We better all hope that Obama has the right stuff, or we are all doomed.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The Presidency, control of the house, and 58 senate votes and you STILL are going to make excuses for the lies of Barack and the democratic party? Wow.. Barack is the Messiah, if he can't fix everything with THOSE odds, he is dumber than George W Bush.

Awww, what a cute little freeper.

 

[halik]

Awesome, that crooked bastard had it long coming. He's the paragon of pork barrel in our government.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

Did the GOP ever have 60 seats plus Presidency?

I don?t recall them having that either, yet you still found time to blame them for a control which you now admit is not enough to actually have control.

 

[Lemon law]

While this thread has degenerated into a republirats v. dimocrats throw mud at each other, meanwhile, back at the ranch, and the reason for this thread, that mighty source authority, the AP itself,
has called the Begish v. Stevens contest for Begish. And in the space of six hours after Techs posted the 2374 Begish plurality, its now grown to 3,724 or so. With the only ballots to remaining to be counted being about 2500 overseas ballots, with many of those being military serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. Even if ALL 2500 went Stevens, it would not not enough to erase the Begish lead. And even a 90,10 Stevens split would not be enough to get under the .5% automatic recount threshold.

But only in Alaska in the winter do things move slower than molasses in January, here I thought it was supposed to be basically final today, but now I learn the sec of State of Alasaka will not certify it as final until Dec 1, 2008. And the loser has the option to ask for a recount by posting a mere $15,000 bond.

Begish has now declared victory, and there has been absolutely nothing coming from the Stevens side other than no comment.

The real question is will Stevens do the right thing and concede, or will he make an uphill and likely futile battle of it? And at this point, its more of a GOP embarrassment than it is a democratic worry.

And if Stevens concedes, I would assume it will be later today or tomorrow.

 

[brandonb]

America wins or still loses?

Until food prices go down, wages go up, and unemployment goes down, then I don't see how America wins anything.

What are the democrats doing to fix those problems other than increase the minimum wage? That might make wages go up, but also prices and unemployment. Wheres the answer to that? Democrats? *Crickets*

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The Presidency, control of the house, and 58 senate votes and you STILL are going to make excuses for the lies of Barack and the democratic party?

Wow.. Barack is the Messiah, if he can't fix everything with THOSE odds, he is dumber than George W Bush.[/quote]

Absolutely incredible. They are not even in power yet and claiming lies.

God I hope they lie their asses off so much you and your fellow buddy Republicans can't stand it and leave the country.

Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie

and hopefully rid this country of vermin

 

[Baked]

Does it mean he's going to get his old ass thrown in jail now?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

Did the GOP ever have 60 seats plus Presidency?

I don?t recall them having that either, yet you still found time to blame them for a control which you now admit is not enough to actually have control.

The Republicans had control the last 8 years (give or take), and the Democrats have control now.

Looking at the 60 seat senate limit in historical terms isn't really that useful though, as the senate used to be a very different place than it is now. In the past filibusters were rare, and now they are so common there are even cases of Republicans so reflexively filibustering legislation that they have mistakenly filibustered legislation they actually supported. In addition, the makeup of the average senator was far more moderate.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The Presidency, control of the house, and 58 senate votes and you STILL are going to make excuses for the lies of Barack and the democratic party?

Wow.. Barack is the Messiah, if he can't fix everything with THOSE odds, he is dumber than George W Bush.

Absolutely incredible. They are not even in power yet and claiming lies.

God I hope they lie their asses off so much you and your fellow buddy Republicans can't stand it and leave the country.

Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie

and hopefully rid this country of vermin

yoo hoo, dave?

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Bahahahahahaha

never heard you complaining of radical right extremism when your heroes had full control.



The hypocracy is so thick since the election I can smell it.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

The sad part is the resident Republicans will spew the lie that Democrats have full control.

The Presidency, control of the house, and 58 senate votes and you STILL are going to make excuses for the lies of Barack and the democratic party?

Wow.. Barack is the Messiah, if he can't fix everything with THOSE odds, he is dumber than George W Bush.

Absolutely incredible. They are not even in power yet and claiming lies.

God I hope they lie their asses off so much you and your fellow buddy Republicans can't stand it and leave the country.

Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie Barack and Dems lie lie lie

and hopefully rid this country of vermin

yoo hoo, dave?

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Bahahahahahaha

never heard you complaining of radical right extremism when your heroes had full control.



The hypocracy is so thick since the election I can smell it.

I smell quite a stench coming from your direction.

 

[alchemize]

cliftonite: that was a direct quote from Dave from 2006, not me. Care to clarify?