I'm all for gun control but this is a bit too much

[sourceninja]

Unfortunately, the Taliban aren't winning, either. They had to move to the borders while drug lords have taken over. Meanwhile, millions of civilians have died, many of them children, and usually involving disease and hunger.

Also, given what the military has been doing outside the U.S., it is likely that soldiers will follow orders if only to ensure the safety of their loved ones (only) and to ensure continued military operations (which means securing supply areas and even confiscating goods from civilians to support the "war" against "the enemy").

With that, plus the fact that towns and cities have only a few days' worth of food, fuel, medicine, and even ammo, that most civilians are heavily dependent on manufactured goods (including guns and ammo) and are likely not resilient (e.g., they are not familiar with planting their own food, preparing medicine, living in difficult conditions, etc.), that narcissism, consumerism, and self-entitlement prevail, and so on, it's very likely that rather than join forces civilians will turn on each other.

So what your saying is just suck it up and except the government no matter how bad it gets (assuming it ever gets bad)?

Sometimes the point of resisting is to resist. Maybe you can't win, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Maybe your deaths can inspire military revolt? Most of our military technology will be useless in Chicago. Can you imagine how the populace would react if we had drone strikes and bombings in a major US city? We had 3000 people killed in a few buildings on 911 and gave away all of our rights, went to war, and basically decided that everyone on the planet is a terrorist.

You need tools to resist, a gun is that tool, even if it's just for hunting and living off grid and raiding small bases in the midwest to get the tools you need to fight the big fight.

The real truth is that guns or no guns, we are too fat and happy to even attempt a revolt. Even with all the bullshit that happens in our government my life is way too cushy to even think about it.

 

[Iron Woode]

Nope. It's their greatest defense, actually.

Oh, wait. Poutine. INVADE!!!

and Montreal Smoked Meat:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal-style_smoked_meat

 

[Anubis]

214 FPS is really low

most paintball guns run at 280 or so

 

[Blanky]

Air guns now considered fire arms in Canada. Better put them away, you'll shoot your eye out kid. Guessing this probably applies to paint ball guns too.

http://www.guns.com/2014/11/14/canada-court-rules-air-guns-now-classified-as-firearms/

The funny thing is your air guns are already depowered. I bought a cheap one this summer and it's rated at 750 fps, but in the manual says 490 IIRC for Canada. Apparently your air guns already have a FPS limit? How many people are being killed in Canada by air guns? You can get ones down here that take out medium size game (deer, pigs), but no rash of air rifle assaults!

 

[smackababy]

You're delusional if you think they can't do that now.

They couldn't. The vast majority of military members aren't going to invade their hometown and mow down people they grew up with. While there would be some that would follow orders to do that, most wouldn't.

 

[QuantumPion]

Government can do that and there is NOTHING we can do about it.

See the video I posted earlier.

Back in 1800s, I would agree with you. But today, we are talking bunch of guns vs tanks, nuclear weapons, drones, missles etc

People have 0 chance against the government.

Besides, your lovely government can strip you of all your rights TODAY and there is nothing you can do about it. All they have to do is label you a terrorist.

Wait...the fact that government can take away our rights at any time and is willing to use tanks and nuclear weapons against its own citizens are reasons why people should NOT be able to have guns? I'm confused.

 

[Blanky]

Government can do that and there is NOTHING we can do about it.

See the video I posted earlier.

Back in 1800s, I would agree with you. But today, we are talking bunch of guns vs tanks, nuclear weapons, drones, missles etc

People have 0 chance against the government.

Besides, your lovely government can strip you of all your rights TODAY and there is nothing you can do about it. All they have to do is label you a terrorist.

People say this often with such confidence except it's completely wrong. Pretty much any uprising in history begins with a poorer armed populace rising up against a better armed government. In time they gain control of the government's military assets to use against it, and also gain defections from the government (since it is made up of that country's citizens). This has happened many times recently in the middle east.

Your argument only makes sense when a foreign power is involved, because only then do you actually have tanks, drones, jets against the populace (assuming it has no army, or no decent one).

If all US citizens decided to overthrow the US gov and the US gov had 100% loyalty from its military members it would fall in no time at all. How can it even exist, how can it supply its military machine without a supporting populace? How long do jets work for when parts can't be replaced because defense contractors don't support them?

 

[Ruptga]

It never ceases to amaze me how many people talk about civil war in the US like it's actually going to happen. The south will not rise again, and the government has far more profitable things to attend to than the direct enslavement of its citizens. Get a life, these martyr/jihad fantasies are not healthy.

 

[smackababy]

People say this often with such confidence except it's completely wrong. Pretty much any uprising in history begins with a poorer armed populace rising up against a better armed government. In time they gain control of the government's military assets to use against it, and also gain defections from the government (since it is made up of that country's citizens). This has happened many times recently in the middle east.

Your argument only makes sense when a foreign power is involved, because only then do you actually have tanks, drones, jets against the populace (assuming it has no army, or no decent one).

If all US citizens decided to overthrow the US gov and the US gov had 100% loyalty from its military members it would fall in no time at all. How can it even exist, how can it supply its military machine without a supporting populace? How long do jets work for when parts can't be replaced because defense contractors don't support them?

It isn't even so much for jet parts. The entire support system for the military bases is civilian staffed. Food services, cleaning, etc. They would have to dedicate (and train) soldiers to support that infrastructure and such if the civilians simply refused to show up to work. They are very much reliant on the populous surrounding the bases.

 

[IEC]

It isn't even so much for jet parts. The entire support system for the military bases is civilian staffed. Food services, cleaning, etc. They would have to dedicate (and train) soldiers to support that infrastructure and such if the civilians simply refused to show up to work. They are very much reliant on the populous surrounding the bases.

An army with no logistical support is an ineffective army. When people think of war they think of mass attacks and symmetrical warfare between belligerents.

Unfortunately, most modern conflicts aren't like that and you can bet that if (God forbid) there is ever another "domestic" conflict, it will involve asymmetrical warfare.

 

[Phanuel]

214 FPS is really low

most paintball guns run at 280 or so

Yup, every paintballer in Canada is now liable.

 

[rommelrommel]

The funny thing is your air guns are already depowered. I bought a cheap one this summer and it's rated at 750 fps, but in the manual says 490 IIRC for Canada. Apparently your air guns already have a FPS limit? How many people are being killed in Canada by air guns? You can get ones down here that take out medium size game (deer, pigs), but no rash of air rifle assaults!

Anything over 499 fps is considered a firearm in Canada...as for being killed with an air gun, I imagine it's happened but I've never heard of it happening.

 

[OverVolt]

How could you not see this coming in California. They are functionally retarded at making laws at this point. To the point that whenever I read about California I'm glad I don't live there.

 

[Phanuel]

How could you not see this coming in California. They are functionally retarded at making laws at this point. To the point that whenever I read about California I'm glad I don't live there.

Uh, Canada =/= California

 

[alkemyst]

/because Canada.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Did you even read the first sentence of your quote?

"The Supreme Court of Canada last week decided that air guns will be categorized as firearms in all cases but licensing and registration..."

So no, they don't need to be registered. And no, he can't charge you with possession of an unregistered firearm. The law just requires you to store them properly. It's over the top, but you're making a big deal out of nothing. It's basically just a way to force people to properly store their pellet rifles and such properly, as they should. I'm not a fan of making things like that a legal issue (it should be common sense) but it seems like you're blowing this out of proportion.

It's still very ambiguous, cops can play out the words in law to get the prosecution they want. The fact that a law now says that pellet guns are now fire arms opens up all sorts of new possibilities for stupid prosecutions.

 

[Blanky]

It's still very ambiguous, cops can play out the words in law to get the prosecution they want. The fact that a law now says that pellet guns are now fire arms opens up all sorts of new possibilities for stupid prosecutions.

Not really unique to Canada I'm afraid. Knife laws in some states are so vague and contradictory that being out of compliance can also come down to whether you're unlucky enough to get a prosecutor who wants to make an example out of you. I really believe they are kept this way so that the huge majority of people can carry folding knives, long fixed blades, etc. but that if there is somebody a cop/prosecutor doesn't like they can bust out an antiquated knife offense on them as well.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people talk about civil war in the US like it's actually going to happen. The south will not rise again, and the government has far more profitable things to attend to than the direct enslavement of its citizens. Get a life, these martyr/jihad fantasies are not healthy.

Most people don't think the US will enter a civil war. Nonetheless, things can change very quickly, and plenty of nations have gone through civil wars in recent times. Even among the West it wasn't long ago at all that a charismatic mass murderer took control and ran his country into the ground. People are as stupid as they've ever been and, therefore, easily manipulated.

 

[Ruptga]

Even among the West it wasn't long ago at all that a charismatic mass murderer took control and ran his country into the ground. People are as stupid as they've ever been and, therefore, easily manipulated.

Yeah, the Bush years were rough. Just kidding, don't lock me in P&N :ninja:

I'm all for vigilance, but it needs to be productive. Whipping up Red Scares and stockpiling weapons are not productive vigilant activities, they're equivalents of an autoimmune disorder or a nasty allergic reaction. If the people really cared about tyranny and government overreach the Patriot Act would have been repealed years ago and Snowden's leaks never would have happened because those questionable programs never would have been implemented. Last week's failed bill to halfassedly rein in the NSA wouldn't have existed either, for the same reason.

 

[OverVolt]

Uh, Canada =/= California

Erm yes.. Canada

 

[Red Squirrel]

What's funny is there is a city in California called Ontario. Ontario, Ca could be interpreted as being there by some noob mailman. I wonder how often that happens. I guess as long as there's a postal code it's probably hard for a mistake like that to happen.

 

[Phanuel]

Erm yes.. Canada

Huh? This a ruling for CANADA. What does California have to do with CANADA?