I was giving Linux a try when I concluded the I'm addicted to MS. I had so many problems with Linux and not being able to trouble shoot them on my own really bothered me, so back to XP it is. I still might try linux again in the future though.
I'm addicted to Microsoft.
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if you're not willing to spend time learning a new OS, then dont fool yourself. linux IS different, you cant expect it to work how you want or how you expect, these things take time to learn
if you're not willing to spend time learning a new OS, then dont fool yourself. linux IS different, you cant expect it to work how you want or how you expect, these things take time to learn
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You can't expect to use a completley different piece of software without putting some effort forward, unless of course you totally believe all the marketing.
But if you're willing to pay for MS' software time after time, more power to you (or actually from you in this case)
But if you're willing to pay for MS' software time after time, more power to you (or actually from you in this case)
I agree with Elledan about Linux being addictive. If you enjoy computers, which you obviously do from being here and having that killer machine, I think you would enjoy the ability to see under the hood and change things that Linux gives.
It took getting an old machine given to me to get me started. It is much easier that way so you can surf for help and info with the Windows machine, and not have to worry about messing anything up or rebooting all the time.
It does help immensely to have some unix experience or knowledge. I can see how it could be frustrating if you don't. Although they do seem to be making great strides in packaging, GUIs, and removing some of the arcaneness.
It took getting an old machine given to me to get me started. It is much easier that way so you can surf for help and info with the Windows machine, and not have to worry about messing anything up or rebooting all the time.
It does help immensely to have some unix experience or knowledge. I can see how it could be frustrating if you don't. Although they do seem to be making great strides in packaging, GUIs, and removing some of the arcaneness.
Why is that people bash Linux after only using it for a few days. To tell you the truth when I first learned how
to use DOS is took me more then a few days to learn. When I learned Windows 3.xx-W2K it took me more then
just a weekend to learn the in's and outs of these OS's. You can't learn anything in this world that is worth learning
in short amount of time folks. Why are there some many people in this world who expect everything to be handed
to them.
to use DOS is took me more then a few days to learn. When I learned Windows 3.xx-W2K it took me more then
just a weekend to learn the in's and outs of these OS's. You can't learn anything in this world that is worth learning
in short amount of time folks. Why are there some many people in this world who expect everything to be handed
to them.
The thing about learning linux (any distro), is that you CANNOT think Windows....It is NOT windows and will never be. You have to go at it with an open mind and start from scratch. If you have a second (or in my case, removable) hard drives, then you can plunk away at your own pace. Or even follow along with a book and learn as you go. I to have been flustered with linux, but keep finding myself going right back at it. I think once I get the general idea, I should be off and running. I have had to learn MacOS, OS/2 Warp and Windows. You don't get them figured out in a day...If you get flustered, stop, step away, and do something else for a bit. Then come back when you are ready. Up to you though. Good luck
There's nothing (besides the KDE/GNOME developers) that prevents Linux from having the same type of GUI configuration/tools as Winblows.
I think Corel was one of the first to give this idea a try; I'm not sure what they're doing, but I believe Redmond Linux has the same type of goals. Build end-user apps that more closely resemble users expectations of Winblows or Mac.
Remember, W9x and NT/2K/XP are entirely different operating system kernels; however some of the layers on top are reasonably similar (ignoring the fact that the UI is always in evolution/development).
Since Linux is currently more successful in the server space, work on making the GUI desktop environment more like Winblows is not necessary the primary goal of Linux OS (which really is a whole population of separate hackers and projects anyway).
A lot of it boils down to fundamental hacking and money. Hackers are not UI/usability experts and many cannot approach their work in that way. You could argue that it takes corporate dollars to fund usability research (Mickeysoft has poored billions into this in the past decade).
Note I'm not saying this work isn't being done; from what I've read, KDE 3.0 is very intent on usability improvements.
An example of the state of affairs is when Sun Micro ran a pretty limited usability study on GNOME, and there really were a lot of areas that needed formal study and design, rather than just a hacker's implementation. Note I'm not at all dismissing hackers' work; they just need some guidance on how to improve designs.
I think Corel was one of the first to give this idea a try; I'm not sure what they're doing, but I believe Redmond Linux has the same type of goals. Build end-user apps that more closely resemble users expectations of Winblows or Mac.
Remember, W9x and NT/2K/XP are entirely different operating system kernels; however some of the layers on top are reasonably similar (ignoring the fact that the UI is always in evolution/development).
Since Linux is currently more successful in the server space, work on making the GUI desktop environment more like Winblows is not necessary the primary goal of Linux OS (which really is a whole population of separate hackers and projects anyway).
A lot of it boils down to fundamental hacking and money. Hackers are not UI/usability experts and many cannot approach their work in that way. You could argue that it takes corporate dollars to fund usability research (Mickeysoft has poored billions into this in the past decade).
Note I'm not saying this work isn't being done; from what I've read, KDE 3.0 is very intent on usability improvements.
An example of the state of affairs is when Sun Micro ran a pretty limited usability study on GNOME, and there really were a lot of areas that needed formal study and design, rather than just a hacker's implementation. Note I'm not at all dismissing hackers' work; they just need some guidance on how to improve designs.
sean2002
about a year or so ago I decided I'd give linux a try after hearing so many good things said about it. I tried to get into it but the culture shock was too much, coupled with my lack of general knowledge about computers. Frankly, it was too much, too early into my PC infatuation!
I went screaming back to windows with my tail between my legs. I sat down and gradually learnt more and more. Then I got frustrated with the lack of hands on config windows supplies and went back to linux. I still have to learn lots of things to accomplish tasks, but I can stand on my own two feet, and I'm not going back!
Just put the time in and you will not regret moving to linux. That is if you want to learn how your PC really works. If you are just mailing/surfing/gaming then it just isn't worth it. For that, MS is the best at what it does. IMHO for all that's said about linux/MS the one thing I can't thank Linus enough for is opening my eyes to the fact that there is another way
about a year or so ago I decided I'd give linux a try after hearing so many good things said about it. I tried to get into it but the culture shock was too much, coupled with my lack of general knowledge about computers. Frankly, it was too much, too early into my PC infatuation!
I went screaming back to windows with my tail between my legs. I sat down and gradually learnt more and more. Then I got frustrated with the lack of hands on config windows supplies and went back to linux. I still have to learn lots of things to accomplish tasks, but I can stand on my own two feet, and I'm not going back!
Just put the time in and you will not regret moving to linux. That is if you want to learn how your PC really works. If you are just mailing/surfing/gaming then it just isn't worth it. For that, MS is the best at what it does. IMHO for all that's said about linux/MS the one thing I can't thank Linus enough for is opening my eyes to the fact that there is another way
<< Why is that people bash Linux after only using it for a few days. >>
As I read his post, he wasn't bashing Linux. He said he wasn't up to it, but that he might try again when he has more knowledge. No need to beat up on the less able among us.
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<< Why is that people bash Linux after only using it for a few days. >>
As I read his post, he wasn't bashing Linux. He said he wasn't up to it, but that he might try again when he has more knowledge. No need to beat up on the less able among us. >>
Okay maybe I should of said "give up on" instead of "bash" but the fact remains that if you want to learn something new you are
going to need to stick with it. Hey I faced that same frustration of being too windowiezd ( <--spelling) when I first started using
Linux but I still stuck with it and banged away and after about 3 months I started understanding why things are the way they are
after trial and error and trial and error.... The point is if you are going to learn you can't do it by quiting and then going back to your
old habits. That's like taking two steps back and one step foward.You won't get anywhere with that type of thinking. He should just
stick to it and try to learn from his own mistakes and procced foward. I think I ended up re-installing Linux within those 3 months at
least 6 six times before I realized what I was doing wrong and what I needed to do right.
P.S. LoL - Am not trying to rag on him but am just not into hearing people quit around me when it comes to anything. Am like one
of those guys you see in one of those war movies who is always pushing his wounded buddy on and telling him to keep going and
yelling at him not to die on him.
my feelings are simple on this matter. I have used Linux, Irix, Win XX, and Mac OS XX. The simple matter is that with my brain works, Windows XP is the most fun and most productive OS that I can possibly use for day-to-day tasks like email, word-processing, file management, FTPing...etc. Now, if I were going to run Pro Engineer, Cosmos, Nastran...etc, I would rather be on a fast unix-type machine. However, nothing beats being in one of these programs and being able to take a break and surf the web or listen to MP3's at the same time. It is for this that I believe the Windows OS's to be the way to go for me. Mac stuff is simply too dumbed down for my brain (no offense). I think this is simply because I was exposed to PC's first. I am sure that if I were saturated in Mac's at school and work then I would...wait, I was saturated in them- and I still have to stick with the wintel solution my 1 cent
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However, nothing beats being in one of these programs and being able to take a break and surf the web or listen to MP3's at the same time. It is for this that I believe the Windows OS's to be the way to go for me.
That's funny, because I have no problems listening to mp3s and browsing the web in Linux, at the same time even! =)
Mac stuff is simply too dumbed down for my brain (no offense).
I think OS X is very close to the happy medium, Mac GUI with BSD underneath, it's very nice indeed. Although I prefer bash to zsh =)
That's funny, because I have no problems listening to mp3s and browsing the web in Linux, at the same time even! =)
Mac stuff is simply too dumbed down for my brain (no offense).
I think OS X is very close to the happy medium, Mac GUI with BSD underneath, it's very nice indeed. Although I prefer bash to zsh =)
<< However, nothing beats being in one of these programs and being able to take a break and surf the web or listen to MP3's at the same time. It is for this that I believe the Windows OS's to be the way to go for me.
That's funny, because I have no problems listening to mp3s and browsing the web in Linux, at the same time even! =)
Mac stuff is simply too dumbed down for my brain (no offense).
I think OS X is very close to the happy medium, Mac GUI with BSD underneath, it's very nice indeed. Although I prefer bash to zsh =) >>
If they can get dselect to work on Mac OS X you can get BASH to work (I personally hate BASH
). Macs arent dumbed down anymore, atleast not to the same degree.
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If they can get dselect to work on Mac OS X you can get BASH to work (I personally hate BASH ). Macs arent dumbed down anymore, atleast not to the same degree.
Yea Debian/OS X would rock =)
And Apple has done a good job of hiding the intricisies (sp?) of unix while still giving close to full functionality from the OS
). Macs arent dumbed down anymore, atleast not to the same degree. Yea Debian/OS X would rock =)
And Apple has done a good job of hiding the intricisies (sp?) of unix while still giving close to full functionality from the OS
<< If they can get dselect to work on Mac OS X you can get BASH to work (I personally hate BASH
). Macs arent dumbed down anymore, atleast not to the same degree. Yea Debian/OS X would rock =)
And Apple has done a good job of hiding the intricisies (sp?) of unix while still giving close to full functionality from the OS >>
dselect has BASH v2.05-3 on my Mac OS X system.
<< my feelings are simple on this matter. I have used Linux, Irix, Win XX, and Mac OS XX. The simple matter is that with my brain works, Windows XP is the most fun and most productive OS that I can possibly use for day-to-day tasks like email, word-processing, file management, FTPing...etc. Now, if I were going to run Pro Engineer, Cosmos, Nastran...etc, I would rather be on a fast unix-type machine. However, nothing beats being in one of these programs and being able to take a break and surf the web or listen to MP3's at the same time. It is for this that I believe the Windows OS's to be the way to go for me. Mac stuff is simply too dumbed down for my brain (no offense). I think this is simply because I was exposed to PC's first. I am sure that if I were saturated in Mac's at school and work then I would...wait, I was saturated in them- and I still have to stick with the wintel solution
my 1 cent >>Really I have no problems doing email, word porccesing, file management, ftping, reading newsgroups, IRC or surfing the net on Linux. I got Evolution for email which is a great email client. Then I got KWord and Abiword for your average word proccesing. Then I got Konquer and Nautilus for file management and for ftping well I have a host of tools from gftp, Kbear, to the plain and tried true Linux CLI which I can bring up via a terminal. Okay now for reading newsgroups I got Pan, Knode and slrn ( slrn is CLI based ) and along with XBitch, and XChat for IRC along with a few other IRC chat programs. Now for browsing the net I have Netscape 6.2.1 Mozilla, Opera, Konquer and my favorite Galeon and last but not least I have XMMS for mp3's and Mplayer, RealPlayer for video's and Ogle for DVD's.
P.S. Oh yeah I almost I also have CodeWeavers QuickTime player and plugin which works beautifully with Mozilla, Netscape 6.x.x and Galeon.
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