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"I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body" crazy or not?

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ok, so what is 'normal'? it is not possible to actually be 'normal' Stuff like this is very confusing, I find it much easier to get answers from the Bible (no, I am not preaching or trying to convert, just telling you my position) While the Bible does not condone some actions, it says we (me) as Chrisitians are to accept them and love them. This has been hard for me at times but I am trying. I still find it kinda wierd though, switching gender is just strange...
 
There have been some hermaphrodites(sp)(born with both male and female genitalia) who were made a particular gender at birth(surgically) who were never able to accept their sex. This even occured without them knowing of their birth condition. So it's quite likely that some who make the claim are not crazy, but it's likely that some are or, more precisely, confused about their sexuality.
 


<< "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body" crazy or not? >>




well... i don't know about you... but I know i'm a lesbian trapped in a mans body.
😉
 


<< spent 2 years in the Philippines and their society fully accepts that situation. The individuals are called "baccala" (sp?) and basically are expected/allowed to live as women; using women's bathrooms, wearing dresses, ect.. Considering the rural areas were extremely protective of their women and the "honor" issue, the baccalas could sleep with other girls and no one even thought something might happen.

It was funny to watch them practicing how to walk, talk, sit, dress, put on make-up, eat, ect.. They would get together and critique each other. Laughed at another Peace Corps Volunteer when he had been dancing and it was only after some of the villagers started laughing, was he told that the girl he had just slow danced with, was a baccala. But his dancing partner was ecstatic that she/he had been able to dance with the white skin 😀 >>

That's really interesting... learn something new every day!

AmusedOne - Right on!



<< There have been some hermaphrodites(sp)(born with both male and female genitalia) who were made a particular gender at birth(surgically) who were never able to accept their sex. This even occured without them knowing of their birth condition. So it's quite likely that some who make the claim are not crazy, but it's likely that some are or, more precisely, confused about their sexuality. >>

Ding ding ding ding ding! Hermaphrodites are proof positive that sexuality can get screwed up just like anything else can.

Spike--at least you're honest. Understandably, when you grow up with a paradigm it can be difficult to see outside of it. That happened for me as well. It's so easy just to pull all your answers from a book, but after a while I found that life frequently didn't "fit" the answers the book was giving, and I began to look at how I was treating people as a result of getting all of my ideas from a book. That's when my paradigm began to shift. The bible was written thousands of years ago by a bunch of different people, and has been edited and translated ad nauseum ever since... needless to say I don't feel it's inerrant. Is there truth contained in it? Definitely (IMHO), but given that I feel it is also flawed, I don't use it anymore to determine (or justify) my ideas about people and things and the world. God gave me reason for that. Good luck to you as you figure things out for yourself.

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I think I agree with AmusedOne on this issue.

Also, gopunk, if a man changes his gender to female, he doesn't just get his junk lopped off (that would be castration), it's actually remodeled and reshaped, and some of it is removed, but not all.

Are people who get plastic surgery also insane? It's not something I'd do, or even endorse, but I won't condemn people who feel it's necessary for them.
 
Wasn't there a statistic that people who have sex change operations end up becoming suicidal or something years down the road, from all the psychological distress?
 


<< Wasn't there a statistic that people who have sex change operations end up becoming suicidal or something years down the road, from all the psychological distress? >>



Of course, this would have nothing to do with people calling them "crazy," "lovely human," "freak" and any other multitude of names... not to mention gay bashings, the denial of opportunities and freedoms, and just over-all scorn from a large portion of the population for no other reason than "they aren't 'normal'."

Naaaw, they must be suicidal just 'cause they're freaks, right?
rolleye.gif
 


<< The best explanation I've read is that homosexual tendencies are a result of rebirth (if you believe in that sort of thing). The switching from male to female bodies, and vice versa, will cause this. >>



Here is my theory (backed up by lots of evidences) -

The majority of homosexual men is due to a deficiency in the pituitary gland. The glad is responsible for producing the necessary hormones to promote the attraction to women - studies have shown that homosexual men have severely underdeveloped pituitary glands.

The majority of homosexual women is due to a pschological trauma that has developed, most likely the result of an abusive father or boyfriend - someone who is fed up with men and feel they can only trust women, therefore a necessary attraction to women develops (to fill the void of intimacy).

The majority of bisexual people is due to the entrapment of "sex" - the need for gratification, this category is parallel to voyeurs.


That's just what I think after observations. I don't have anything against a gay person, just as I don't have anything against an overly obese person - but both in my mind are symptoms of mental or physical unhealth.
 


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<< Wasn't there a statistic that people who have sex change operations end up becoming suicidal or something years down the road, from all the psychological distress? >>



Of course, this would have nothing to do with people calling them "crazy," "lovely human," "freak" and any other multitude of names... not to mention gay bashings, the denial of opportunities and freedoms, and just over-all scorn from a large portion of the population for no other reason than "they aren't 'normal'."

Naaaw, they must be suicidal just 'cause they're freaks, right?
rolleye.gif
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Um... well, if the operation was done right, and the person genuinely looked like the opposite sex... why would they be called names? I remember seeing some type of 20/20 episode about a guy that was turned into a girl, and the person still liked women and was dating one who was supporting his sex change - he was asked if he considered himself a lesbian, and he got all defensive and told them to turn off the cameras and wasn't going to answer.

Apparently the thought of being "gay" turned him off. lol
 


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<< Wasn't there a statistic that people who have sex change operations end up becoming suicidal or something years down the road, from all the psychological distress? >>



Of course, this would have nothing to do with people calling them "crazy," "lovely human," "freak" and any other multitude of names... not to mention gay bashings, the denial of opportunities and freedoms, and just over-all scorn from a large portion of the population for no other reason than "they aren't 'normal'."

Naaaw, they must be suicidal just 'cause they're freaks, right?
rolleye.gif
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Um... well, if the operation was done right, and the person genuinely looked like the opposite sex... why would they be called names? >>



I hate to burst your bubble, but not everyone can have the body and looks they dream of. There are some distinct male features that cannot easily be corrected by surgery or hormone therapy. One being the adam's apple.

And no matter how good they may end up looking, some idiots will never treat them normally once they find out... Like mr. "social norm" up above.
 


<< Here is my theory (backed up by lots of evidences). >>


Lack of evidence?! I didn't see a shred of evidence in your post...

Anyway, as someone else already said, they call it "Gender Dysphoria" it's a "recognized" psychological disorder. I agree with GoPunk that no ethical doctor would perform an operation like this on a whim. To my knowledge, however, no reputable doctor will allow someone to just hop on in and get a lopitophamy (say it out loud 🙂 ) right on the spot. You have to go through a lot of psychological counselling and hormone treatments. No good surgeon would do this without knowing you're fully prepared.

 


<< If they aren't hurting you or anyone else, why do you .... >>



What an interesting set of assumptions is rolled into that statement





<< ....to fullful your hitleresque notions of "social norms." If people aren't hurting you, grow up and leave them the f'ck alone >>



Oh Brumhilda!........ LOL
 
now if that person was to start a relationship with a woman...
technically, it'd be considered a homosexual relationship.

i wonder if the states would allow them to have kids. 🙂

or adopt one.
 
I'm a man who's been trapped inside a woman's body.













Of course, after a few minutes she caught her breath and released me. :Q😛
 
Also, gopunk, if a man changes his gender to female, he doesn't just get his junk lopped off (that would be castration), it's actually remodeled and reshaped, and some of it is removed, but not all.

eh, i don't think that's any better 😛

Are people who get plastic surgery also insane? It's not something I'd do, or even endorse, but I won't condemn people who feel it's necessary for them.

i'm not condemning them, but i think a little nuts as well. or at least low self esteem.


don't get me wrong, i disagree with insidious... people go do whatever they want. i'm just saying i find it weird that this operation isn't viewed as more unethical.
 
I don't really know any transsexuals to verify this, but imagine if you were born in a body that just did not feel right. That would be horrible. I know if I had a penis I would feel really strange about it. It just would not be me. I can't say what I'd do because (fortunately) it is outside my experience. But it would be more than a psychological discomfort.

If a man can have his penis enlarged (as MANY men now do), why shouldn't he be able to remove it? (assuming he REALLY wants it done and is mentally stable).

Human society always likes to call people who are different crazy (or even inhuman). I admit I am still a little weided out by the idea, but that's probably because I have never met (knowlingly) someone who did this.
 
I don't really know any transsexuals to verify this, but imagine if you were born in a body that just did not feel right. That would be horrible. I know if I had a penis I would feel really strange about it. It just would not be me. I can't say what I'd do because (fortunately) it is outside my experience. But it would be more than a psychological discomfort.

i agree, it would be horrible, and i'm sure for some it's a chemical imbalance or something. but just think about what you just said: you don't think your body feels right. i'm sorry, but that sounds crazy. if some guy, said "man, i just don't feel right with my hand... i'm going to have surgery to have it taken off" is that guy not at least a little nuts?

If a man can have his penis enlarged (as MANY men now do), why shouldn't he be able to remove it? (assuming he REALLY wants it done and is mentally stable).

he should be allowed, of course. and btw, i view penis enlargement as a little weird as well... unless you have an abnormally small one.

Human society always likes to call people who are different crazy (or even inhuman). I admit I am still a little weided out by the idea, but that's probably because I have never met (knowlingly) someone who did this.

i'm not going to call them inhuman, but i think a lot of them are crazy. it may not be pc, but if you want to change genders, i think you're a little nuts.
 


<< I don't really know any transsexuals to verify this, but imagine if you were born in a body that just did not feel right. That would be horrible. I know if I had a penis I would feel really strange about it. It just would not be me. I can't say what I'd do because (fortunately) it is outside my experience. But it would be more than a psychological discomfort.

i agree, it would be horrible, and i'm sure for some it's a chemical imbalance or something. but just think about what you just said: you don't think your body feels right. i'm sorry, but that sounds crazy. if some guy, said "man, i just don't feel right with my hand... i'm going to have surgery to have it taken off" is that guy not at least a little nuts?. >>



I think it's more than not feeling ok. From what I have read/heard, it is a deep feeling of pain and anxiety. Not like, "Oh I want a bigger dick" or "my hand does not feel right", but something more profound and pervading. It is not about physical form so much as identity. What about the amphibians that change genders? Are they freaks? Sure, frogs are different, but not that different.
 


<< Also, gopunk, if a man changes his gender to female, he doesn't just get his junk lopped off (that would be castration), it's actually remodeled and reshaped, and some of it is removed, but not all.

eh, i don't think that's any better 😛 >>



Well, that way you're not giving up the ability to experience sexual pleasure. I'd rather be a lesbian than a castrated male.



<< Are people who get plastic surgery also insane? It's not something I'd do, or even endorse, but I won't condemn people who feel it's necessary for them.

i'm not condemning them, but i think a little nuts as well. or at least low self esteem. >>



Well at least you view them somewhat similarly.
I would say that sex change operations are arguably better than plastic surgery in most cases (unless the person receiving plastic surgery has been seriously mutilated by some accident).
For the most part, plastic surgery is done out of vanity.
For the most part, sex change operations are an attempt to make your external body/gender agree with your internal body image/gender, done to help improve your emotional well being.

Maybe the people getting these operations are somewhat disturbed, but maybe you would be too if you'd been given the wrong gender. Who knows?

p.s. I guess some ppl don't like what I have to say about this, my rating's going down. oh well 😛
 
I think it's more than not feeling ok. From what I have read/heard, it is a deep feeling of pain and anxiety. Not like, "Oh I want a bigger dick" or "my hand does not feel right", but something more profound and pervading. It is not about physical form so much as identity.

yes, that's exactly what i'm talking about, i think that's crazy... i mean how much crazier can you get than "i have a really deep and profound sense that my body does not fit *me*"?

What about the amphibians that change genders? Are they freaks? Sure, frogs are different, but not that different.

if you want to extend it into other animals, i don't think that all animals were meant to act similarly. for example, if i saw a guy licking his nuts and peeing on a hydrant, i'd think he was crazy too. or drunk.
 
Well, that way you're not giving up the ability to experience sexual pleasure. I'd rather be a lesbian than a castrated male.

i'm going to agree with you on that... mm... lipstick lesbians...

Well at least you view them somewhat similarly.
I would say that sex change operations are arguably better than plastic surgery in most cases (unless the person receiving plastic surgery has been seriously mutilated by some accident).
For the most part, plastic surgery is done out of vanity.
For the most part, sex change operations are an attempt to make your external body/gender agree with your internal body image/gender, done to help improve your emotional well being.

well i can't really say which one is *better*... though i do think they're different. i think sex change means there is something wrong, either chemically or emotionally, with the person... for plastic surgery, i think it's mostly emotional... like low self esteem and stuff.

Maybe the people getting these operations are somewhat disturbed, but maybe you would be too if you'd been given the wrong gender. Who knows?

probably... well... i dunno. i'm lazy enough that i might just leave it alone and be celibate or something. oh wait...
 
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