Illinois Death Row is now EMPTY!

[MainFramed]

Originally posted by: EbonyExperience
awesome

now the state of illinois won't get to murder innocent people

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Crimson
This thread really makes me lose faith in the ATOT community,

how tragic.

Whats more tragic is you can't come up with an argument against what I said.

We in Canada have fewer murders in a year than you have in DC, and we haven't had a death penalty in forty years. We also go easier on those convicted for any crime in general, and have a much, much lower crime rate than does the US. Draconian punishment offers little deterrent.

Gee, and your country has a population of about 1/10th of the United States.. Thats a GREAT example! Some of our cities are 1/3 the population of your entire country.. Obviously there are going to be more issues given that type of situation.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Phuz

Originally posted by: Crimson
This thread really makes me lose faith in the ATOT community, I didn't know there were so many people who are so far left that they think murders should be let off death row. Of course, you are the same leftist wackos that think we should build less prisons too.. That makes sense..

As far as you people saying you would rather be killed than have a life in prison.. yeah.. RIGHT.. thats just a BS way you libs try to justify getting rid of the death penalty, and its a complete lie. If death is so easy, why do they appeal the sentence 57 times? How many people who get life in prison appeal their sentence as many times as people on death row do? You're argument is complete crap.. When's the last time you saw someone who admitted guilt to murder ask for the death penalty instead of life in prison? Your argument is so fake its laughable.. Death is much worse than life in prison, and there is no evidence that ANYONE can use to point to anything other than that. Anyone who says Death is better is NOT on death row.

Oh brother. You're just brilliant.

What kind of a future does someone sentenced to life have after they get out, if they live through it?
Do you understand what happens to people when they become institutionalized?
Anyone coming out after life in prison will have fun getting a job, they'll also have fun being rejected (to say the least) by society.

You really think someone would rather live in a concrete cube, getting ordered around by guards, with the only avaiable company being other "lifers"?

I would rather die.

If you think that they'd rather spend 40 years in prison, than a bullet in the head, you're WRONG.

Again, you complete IGNORE my argument.. YOU are not on Death Row.. therefor, what you THINK you would do and what you WOULD do if you were there are completely different things. If the majority of people truly thought like you, again, why don't people who get life in prison without possibility of parole EVER ask for the death penalty? Please, answer the question instead of ignoring it. You thoughts on what you would do don't mean a thing, what actually HAPPENS is what matters.

 

[Phuz]

Crimson

The only thing obvious about this discussion is that you're a hypocrite. Wheres my response?

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I say kill them! Not for a deterrent but for revenge and to save money

Who's nutty in this thread --->point thumbs at self<---

THIS GUY!!!

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Phuz
Crimson

The only thing obvious about this discussion is that you're a hypocrite. Wheres my response?

There's more obvious things about Crimson than just that.

He was probably the only one watching The Fugitive saying, I hope they catch that bastard wife-killer, Harrison Ford!

 

[dabuddha]

jeez
definitely has to be one of the dumbest things i've seen as of late.
god help us all if this trend continues

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: Walleye
This is one of the stupidest things to ever happen in judicial court cases.

okay, i promised last time was the last time i would ever do this.

I want to limit the appeals process to 2 appeals, and a time limit of 30 years to enact them. the long time limit is to wait for irrefutable proof of your innocence to show up. the limit on appeals is to make sure that they cant just tie up the court system just to keep themselves in judicial limbo. After the unsuccessful completion of their second appeal, then they will have to finish their sentence at the earliest possible oppertunity. Also, they have the oppertunity to forgoe their appeals process and just get it over with.

I also propose that we use hard labor prisons. do away with these lazy inmates. take away internet access, and stop giving them variety in meals. they should be forced to eat some stew, at every meal, every day.

Life in our prisons is far too easy. Some of those convicts live better in cushier surroundings than i do.



So, in short, cut down the cost of executions, cut down the length of the appeals process, cut down the number of appeals, cut down the nice surroundings ngiven to them, and we have a far more efficient system. meaning, cut down on the # of people on death row. if people know trhat if trhey go on death row to actually die, than maybe less people will do crimes to go onto death row. if not, then at least those on death row wont go back onto the streets, and fall back in to their former activities.

The reason prisoners have things like TV, good food, humane treatment etc. is not solely for thier comfort. It is to make them easier to control and give the staff of the institution leverage. Would you really want to work in a prison where the inmates really had nothing to lose, where they were always seething with resentment. We would have riots all the time, and it certainly wouldn't help rehabilitate them at all.

 

[Wheezer]

now the state of illinois won't get to murder innocent people

to all you people out there that feel the same way...why not let these "innocents" come live with you for a while?

You feel so strong that they are wrongly convicted get out there get them thier freedom and then until they are on their feet let them live with you and your families. I'm sure you would have not problem letting them live with your children, your mothers, sisters or wives.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

now the state of illinois won't get to murder innocent people

to all you people out there that feel the same way...why not let these "innocents" come live with you for a while?

You feel so strong that they are wrongly convicted get out there get them thier freedom and then until they are on their feet let them live with you and your families. I'm sure you would have not problem letting them live with your children, your mothers, sisters or wives.

from what i gathered from NPR just an hour ago the people that are being let go are the people that the confession was beat out of them or dna evidence has proved them innocent. but the people who did murder someone are still in jail.

 

[KK]

I'd like to see if this governor would change his tune if his wife and daughter were raped and killed. A life for a life, there got to be some deterence out there. I believe he was saying how some of this deathrow inmates were messed up on drugs and alcohol when they killed, why the hell should that be reason to commute these sentences. He also said how he spent a day with these inmates families, why the hell didn't spend time with the victims family. A disgrace to the judicial system.

KK

 

[Jmman]

Well, I pretty much believe that depending on the circumstances the death penalty is justified, but I think there needs to be concrete evidence, ie. DNA, etc, before the person is sentenced to death........

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Phuz

Originally posted by: Crimson
This thread really makes me lose faith in the ATOT community, I didn't know there were so many people who are so far left that they think murders should be let off death row. Of course, you are the same leftist wackos that think we should build less prisons too.. That makes sense..

As far as you people saying you would rather be killed than have a life in prison.. yeah.. RIGHT.. thats just a BS way you libs try to justify getting rid of the death penalty, and its a complete lie. If death is so easy, why do they appeal the sentence 57 times? How many people who get life in prison appeal their sentence as many times as people on death row do? You're argument is complete crap.. When's the last time you saw someone who admitted guilt to murder ask for the death penalty instead of life in prison? Your argument is so fake its laughable.. Death is much worse than life in prison, and there is no evidence that ANYONE can use to point to anything other than that. Anyone who says Death is better is NOT on death row.

Oh brother. You're just brilliant.

What kind of a future does someone sentenced to life have after they get out, if they live through it?
Do you understand what happens to people when they become institutionalized?
Anyone coming out after life in prison will have fun getting a job, they'll also have fun being rejected (to say the least) by society.

You really think someone would rather live in a concrete cube, getting ordered around by guards, with the only avaiable company being other "lifers"?

I would rather die.

If you think that they'd rather spend 40 years in prison, than a bullet in the head, you're WRONG.

Again, you complete IGNORE my argument.. YOU are not on Death Row.. therefor, what you THINK you would do and what you WOULD do if you were there are completely different things. If the majority of people truly thought like you, again, why don't people who get life in prison without possibility of parole EVER ask for the death penalty? Please, answer the question instead of ignoring it. You thoughts on what you would do don't mean a thing, what actually HAPPENS is what matters.

And I suppose you ARE on death row, Crimson? A number of prisoners say they prefer death over life in prison. I'm sorry there's no link to verify that, you'll just have to pull your head out of your ass and realize that fact.

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Originally posted by: notfred
Good. There shouldn't even be a "Death Row".
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Hehehe, people like you give me a good chuckle.

People with your kind of bloodlust frighten me.

Your argument is so fake its laughable.. Death is much worse than life in prison, and there is no evidence that ANYONE can use to point to anything other than that. Anyone who says Death is better is NOT on death row.

Well duh, dumbass it's not like a numerical statistic. "And on the 'which sucks more' scale, we see that death 14 points higher than life in prison.'" And again, you tell us all we're not on death row...if you are I'm wondering you how you got to post on AT.

Oh brother. You're just brilliant.

What kind of a future does someone sentenced to life have after they get out, if they live through it?
Do you understand what happens to people when they become institutionalized?
Anyone coming out after life in prison will have fun getting a job, they'll also have fun being rejected (to say the least) by society.

You really think someone would rather live in a concrete cube, getting ordered around by guards, with the only avaiable company being other "lifers"?

I would rather die.

If you think that they'd rather spend 40 years in prison, than a bullet in the head, you're WRONG.

Well, ideally, if someone gets sentenced to life, they're there for life.

to all you people out there that feel the same way...why not let these "innocents" come live with you for a while?

You feel so strong that they are wrongly convicted get out there get them thier freedom and then until they are on their feet let them live with you and your families. I'm sure you would have not problem letting them live with your children, your mothers, sisters or wives.

OK, let me explain this to you. The people being let back into society are the ones that have been proven through DNA evidence. The phrase "Death Penalty" means we kill someone convicted of murder. The lack of a death penalty does NOT mean we are sending convicted felons (the guilty ones) back into society. They're still in fvcking jail! OK!?!?

There's a difference, and it's a big whopping one.